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In reply to the discussion: Obamacare is not a disaster [View all]StrayKat
(570 posts)47. Yes, people who buy their own insurance.
Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)
I see the same problems as before.
Brush: Hell, even on my most recent job, the deductible went up last year to $3000, effectively making my insurance from my job even a "junk" policy.
The current cap on deductibles is $6,350 for individuals and $12,700 for families. I don't see how this is more of a protection if you thought that a $3,000 deductible made for a junk policy.
Brush: My point is, we'll all be better off when everyone is contributing to the ACA and helping the "common good" by paying for provisions like say, "maternity care" when you you're a middle-aged male.
We now have different classes of coverage: 1. people with employer insurance, 2. people with Medicare, 3. people who qualify for Medicaid, and 4. people who self-pay. It doesn't seem like there is much of a "common good". A 2% overall overpay in a year in the self-pay group doesn't go toward covering an upsurge in Medicare costs, for example, and vice versa.
Also, from what I can see, our costs were so high before that everyone was already paying for maternal care even if it wasn't covered. We were all paying in the form of higher prices being paid by those who had insurance or could afford it for the 'free' prescriptions for those in need that some pharmaceutical companies offered . One way or another everything was being paid for. I can't see how this changes anything because while more people paying premiums are being added into the system, so are more people with expensive pre-existing conditions and people who are heavily subsidized.
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Some very smart, articulate person needs to compare what people NOW spend w/ insurance
loudsue
Nov 2013
#3
After the costs of adjudicating claims, etc., at best there is roughly 10% for risk and profits
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#51
if the eventual goal is getting them out of the system, then locking them in is
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#56
As folks pointed out, it took 40+ years to get there and there were no Republican obstructionists.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#57
Nah, it is not the start of a real plan. Don't let wishful thinking make you dumb
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#6
Canada never had a trillion-dollar private insurance industry that owned the government
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#22
It looks like Vermont will also have universal coverage with premiums based on income
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#31
I'm skeptical this will ever turn into universal single payer medical care
KentuckyWoman
Nov 2013
#15
So in 50 years we might get Big Insurance out of the death business? And that's good?
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#46
That link makes it pretty clear that PNHP thinks ACA is nothing like health care
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#19
yes, it does. But, IMHO, the ACA (as written) is better than the former system
wyldwolf
Nov 2013
#20
Fewer Americans are shit out of luck, but it is not a step toward cutting off the insurance
Doctor_J
Nov 2013
#48
Medicare had it's kinks, too, when it first was implemented. Look at it now.
demosincebirth
Nov 2013
#27
Yep, 30% of beneficiaries choose insurance company Medicare Advantage Plans, all drugs are
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#53
The ACA is AWESOME for early retirees and people that can qualify for expanded Medicaid.
kelly1mm
Nov 2013
#40