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dreamnightwind

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24. OK but the calls for an alternative need to be early (now), loud, and insistent

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:34 AM

Nov 2013

or we won't get an alternative. That's where I'm coming from, and that's why I have a problem with the wait till after the midterm meme.

I know how much congress sucks, not diminishing the importance of turning it.

I don't, however, subscribe to the belief that Obama had his progressive agenda thwarted by an obstructionist congress. Just because B is true doesn't mean A is true, he had no progressive agenda, nor does Hillary. Would Obama have been a better president with a better congress? Of course he would have, so by all means let's fight to make that happen. Would he have advocated for progressive policies such as I named in my post upthread? I don't think so, he (and so many of our corporate Dems) only give lip service to progressives when it's campaign time, or when the policy in question is no threat to the bottom line of the capitalists.

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KnR on that Hekate Nov 2013 #1

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Get rid of the filibuster and a lot could be done. Laelth Nov 2013 #51

Thank you, that's very true and what we need to concentrate on Warpy Nov 2013 #3

Don't tutch the butt. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #4

lmao! I remember that thread. bunnies Nov 2013 #53

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Might I ask if you support Ms. Clinton for the nomination? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #74

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Ditto! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #34

People rec'd this? dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #9

Nothing consequential will be done until after next year's election... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #10

Sorry I don't believe you are correct about that dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #17

Of course Hillary has her feelers out and has started some preliminary... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #22

And I further disagree with this dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #26

+1. Well said. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #54

And back at you, excellent post in your journal! - eom dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #77

Nice turn on perception control nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #15

Sorry I don't understand what you mean dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #20

Those who have forgotten about 2014 nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #36

Yeah, I found an old post of yours dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #50

Where I am coming from is not even that nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #62

They are giving a false narrative davidpdx Nov 2013 #16

But the potential candidates for 2016 dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #19

Preparations maybe happening behind the scenes to a point davidpdx Nov 2013 #21

Didja see Post #5... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #23

I agree davidpdx Nov 2013 #25

True, but few around here are listenening. Good thing... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #48

LOL you can say that again..... davidpdx Nov 2013 #49

OK but the calls for an alternative need to be early (now), loud, and insistent dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #24

I have no problem with calls for alternatives like draft campaigns davidpdx Nov 2013 #27

We're clearly not on the same page dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #28

Thank you for all your posts in this thread. I completely agree with you Nay Nov 2013 #61

FUCK YES!!! Focus is a good thing uponit7771 Nov 2013 #29

It's a good thing only with respect to the issue you focus on dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #30

A zillion threads whining about how no one is talking about 2014, but NO ONE is starting any threads MADem Nov 2013 #33

Well, here's one thing someone can do... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #60

Winning in 2014 is how you lay the groundwork for a liberal candidate in 2016 jeff47 Nov 2013 #37

Rec'n ...just to piss off people. L0oniX Nov 2013 #39

K & R davidpdx Nov 2013 #13

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THANK YOU!! Why aren't we focused on 2014?!? FUCK 2016!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #31

THANK YOU! for the "FUCK 2016" Rockyj Nov 2013 #46

I've got six of the rat bastards to worry with in my state alone madokie Nov 2013 #32

What we have now in congress is B Calm Nov 2013 #35

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2013 #38

And state governments! JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #40

Don't forget Texas! TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #56

Amen! Go Wendy! JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #57

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Texas is having a very important election in 2014 Gothmog Nov 2013 #42

Wendy Davis is one of the brightest lights we have and I would love... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #58

Rhetoric. Why does my little opinion on an internet board match "the whole damn House" thing? libdem4life Nov 2013 #43

Thank. You. we can do it Nov 2013 #44

Well I do give a rat's ass whose running in 2016. We cant survive for another 8 years of rhett o rick Nov 2013 #45

Well, I'm not really saying ignore it, just... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #55

When you say "focus" on next year, what specifically do you mean by "focus"? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #71

They can use your money... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #72

I belong to the county Democratic Party organization and also rhett o rick Nov 2013 #73

I should have known you are already involved, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #76

I agree. The local organizations are almost completely dedicated to local politics. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #78

Even if I was dying for Hillary to run libodem Nov 2013 #47

Derpy derp derp derp!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #52

don't worry, he didn't exactly coin the phrase PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #63

Exactly. We need to figure out which candidates need money Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #64

Here's one... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #69

Time to Clean HOUSE!! Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #65

If what I see here is any indication, the party is already being split in two. Beacool Nov 2013 #66

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Yes, I agree. Beacool Nov 2013 #70

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