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In reply to the discussion: 10 Facts about Lee Oswald that make 70% of Americans Wonder... [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)140. Accidental History:The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest
Barry Ernest devoted years of his life to find the woman and write on that very subject:
Accidental History:The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest
Reviewed by Joseph E. Green and Jim DiEugenio
Th e above is how Barry Ernest begins his interesting and unusual book, The Girl on the Stairs. The JFK assassination, like any historical event, had a ripple effect on the history of the country and, indeed, the world. And while many of these effects were foreseeablefor example, the expansion of the war in Vietnamthere were an infinite number of others that were not. Some of the most tragic stories that emerged in the wake of the assassination concern the deaths of those who became accidental players by hearing and seeing things they were not supposed to, and whose documentation began with Penn Jones in his Forgive My Grief series. Still others involved those who were not murdered, but instead were forced into a life of hiding and jumping at shadows.
Barry Ernests book tells two stories. One is about himself: his journey from being a believer in the Warren Report to that of being a fierce critic of that now, quite discredited, volume. Therefore he begins the book at a rather appropriate place and time. In fact, it is actually beyond appropriate. It is almost symbolic. Barry was a student at Kent State in 1967. This is the college where the expansion of the Vietnam War would, in three short years, lead to the infamous shooting of students by the National Guard and produce one of the most iconic photographs of that tumultuous era. The first scene of the book is him sitting outside the cafeteria. A fellow student named Terry approaches and asks him about a dialogue from a previous class where Barry actually defended the Warren Report. The student then asks Barry if he had ever seen or heard of the Zapruder film, and if he had read the entire 26 volumes of the Warren Commission. Barry said no to each. The student left him a copy of an interview by Mark Lane, and said, Read this. Barry didright then and there. Hours later, in twilight, he then went to a bookstore and searched for Lanes book, Rush to Judgment. This is how the first storythat of personal discovery and evolutionbegins.
And it was through Lanes book that Barry was introduced to the heroine of the second story he will tell. That second story is about the plight of one of these ordinary people who was swept up by events: Victoria Adams, the notable girl on the stairs. She was an employee who worked in the same building as one Lee Harvey Oswald. The problem caused by her presence is very simple and easily summarized. Adams, along with her friend Sandra Styles, stood on the fourth floor of the Texas School Book Depository at the moment of the murder. She testified to hearing three shots, which from her vantage point appeared to be coming from the right of the building (i.e., from the grassy knoll). She and Styles then ran to the stairs to head down. This was the only set of stairs that went all the way to the top of the building. Both she and her friend took them down to the ground floor. She did not see or hear Oswald. Yet, she should have if he were on the sixth floor traveling downwards. Which is what the Commission said he did after he shot Kennedy.
This is the first problem, in a nutshell. Why did Adams not see a scrambling Oswald, flying down the stairs in pursuit of his Coca-Cola? Because of the Warren Commissions timeline, we know Oswald had to have gone down the stairs during this period in order to be accosted in time by a motorcycle policeman. In addition, as we are later to discover, Adams also reports seeing Jack Ruby on the corner of Houston and Elm, questioning people as though he were a policeman.
CONTINUED...
http://www.ctka.net/reviews/accidental_history.html
Thanks for the heads-up, KurtNYC!
Accidental History:The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest
Reviewed by Joseph E. Green and Jim DiEugenio
At first she thought it was firecrackers. But when she saw the chaos and the terror on all the faces below, she knew it was something far worse. She turned from the window and grabbed the arm of a co-worker. Come on. She whispered. Lets find out whats going on down there. In this split second, her innocenceand that of a nationscame to an end.
Th e above is how Barry Ernest begins his interesting and unusual book, The Girl on the Stairs. The JFK assassination, like any historical event, had a ripple effect on the history of the country and, indeed, the world. And while many of these effects were foreseeablefor example, the expansion of the war in Vietnamthere were an infinite number of others that were not. Some of the most tragic stories that emerged in the wake of the assassination concern the deaths of those who became accidental players by hearing and seeing things they were not supposed to, and whose documentation began with Penn Jones in his Forgive My Grief series. Still others involved those who were not murdered, but instead were forced into a life of hiding and jumping at shadows.
Barry Ernests book tells two stories. One is about himself: his journey from being a believer in the Warren Report to that of being a fierce critic of that now, quite discredited, volume. Therefore he begins the book at a rather appropriate place and time. In fact, it is actually beyond appropriate. It is almost symbolic. Barry was a student at Kent State in 1967. This is the college where the expansion of the Vietnam War would, in three short years, lead to the infamous shooting of students by the National Guard and produce one of the most iconic photographs of that tumultuous era. The first scene of the book is him sitting outside the cafeteria. A fellow student named Terry approaches and asks him about a dialogue from a previous class where Barry actually defended the Warren Report. The student then asks Barry if he had ever seen or heard of the Zapruder film, and if he had read the entire 26 volumes of the Warren Commission. Barry said no to each. The student left him a copy of an interview by Mark Lane, and said, Read this. Barry didright then and there. Hours later, in twilight, he then went to a bookstore and searched for Lanes book, Rush to Judgment. This is how the first storythat of personal discovery and evolutionbegins.
And it was through Lanes book that Barry was introduced to the heroine of the second story he will tell. That second story is about the plight of one of these ordinary people who was swept up by events: Victoria Adams, the notable girl on the stairs. She was an employee who worked in the same building as one Lee Harvey Oswald. The problem caused by her presence is very simple and easily summarized. Adams, along with her friend Sandra Styles, stood on the fourth floor of the Texas School Book Depository at the moment of the murder. She testified to hearing three shots, which from her vantage point appeared to be coming from the right of the building (i.e., from the grassy knoll). She and Styles then ran to the stairs to head down. This was the only set of stairs that went all the way to the top of the building. Both she and her friend took them down to the ground floor. She did not see or hear Oswald. Yet, she should have if he were on the sixth floor traveling downwards. Which is what the Commission said he did after he shot Kennedy.
This is the first problem, in a nutshell. Why did Adams not see a scrambling Oswald, flying down the stairs in pursuit of his Coca-Cola? Because of the Warren Commissions timeline, we know Oswald had to have gone down the stairs during this period in order to be accosted in time by a motorcycle policeman. In addition, as we are later to discover, Adams also reports seeing Jack Ruby on the corner of Houston and Elm, questioning people as though he were a policeman.
CONTINUED...
http://www.ctka.net/reviews/accidental_history.html
Thanks for the heads-up, KurtNYC!
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And you reached that conclusion after reading the Warren Commission Report, right?
stopbush
Nov 2013
#15
Where does it say he hasn't read it? You know what they say about people who make assumptions....
madmom
Nov 2013
#81
It's not my "opinion" that Ruby was diagnosed with cancer in 1966. it's a fact.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#38
Jack Ruby was a lone nut who killed a lone nut. There was no conspiracy and I think
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#145
lol. When point number 1 is as baldfaced as this, I don't need to read the rest.
Schema Thing
Nov 2013
#5
#1 is way off base. All the other points are accurate, but unimportant given the CIA admission.
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#40
Thanks! What I saw at the time said "personnel". I didn't delve into it because I find all of this
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#49
No, I'm not wrong. His son said his father had a different view in private.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#198
Ever notice how the CTists find it "fishy" that the Dallas Police could nab Oswald so quickly
stopbush
Nov 2013
#24
Oh, the DPD had plenty, especially as they were working with the Fed agencies from the get-go.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#189
While I never believed Oswald acted alone, something's fishy here. A Marine working on the U2???
Scuba
Nov 2013
#10
I was assigned to Andrews AFB, home of Air Force One. Doesn't mean I worked on it.
Scuba
Nov 2013
#29
Thanks for the factual corrective, not that it will change the minds of the easily duped.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#18
Why did Ruby go to the police station armed with a pistol with every intent on coming back?
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#52
Ruby went to the police station several times after Oswald had been arrested as my post# 55
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#69
Security was lax even for that day and age especially considering the prisoner they held.
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#96
Yes: "I believe that Kennedy was murdered for the same reason and by the same people who murdered...
villager
Nov 2013
#127
It's no great feat to get you. But truth is more important here at DU than your BS.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#123
FACT: Policeman ID'd Oswald having a Coke in the lunch room about a minute after the shootings.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#115
and Victoria Adams and Sandra Stiles use the same set of stairs that Oswald would have
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#139
That must be why I said ''about'' and said 90 seconds in the post. Picture this...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#150
Right. The diagram is to show how how far the Warren Commission goes to pin it on Oswald.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#163
The Russians wouldn't have him. The Cubans wouldn't have him. The CIA wouldn't have him.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#146
"What American goes to the USSR during the height of the Cold War, comes back like nothing happened"
JVS
Nov 2013
#168
I agree. When someone performs an assassination, there's little incentive for his...
JVS
Nov 2013
#173
If you want to believe that Ruby shot Oswald and spent the rest of his life in prison
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#157
He and a handful of conspirators.....yet many believed, and still do, that the leaders of the South
cbdo2007
Nov 2013
#250
Bush's name, kids' names, personal info was in De Mohrenschildt's address book.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#205
George DeMohrenschildt knew the Bouvier family when Jackie Kennedy was a child
zappaman
Nov 2013
#206
I don't find JFK's assassination or anything about it a "source of amusement"
zappaman
Nov 2013
#216
Here's what I found regarding the Connally perception v. the single bullet evidence
Camballo
Nov 2013
#226
I started this thread to talk about why the large majority doubt parts of the WCR
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#229
Actually, Connally was correct in thinking he had been hit by the second bullet fired.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#245
"1. No Motive." Oswald was a strange man, with a history of strange behavior. It is unrealistic
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#251