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SlimJimmy

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162. Not all of the canceled plans are *junk*. I'm growing a bit weary of this talking point. Some of

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 03:24 PM

Nov 2013

the canceled plans were quite good. For example, my wife's plan is great, but it does not cover pediatric eye exams or wellness visits to the doc without a copay. Guess what? Once the employer mandate extension expires - good bye to her plan. I checked on the federal exchange site and a plan that would be close (but not quite as good) costs twice as much and has a much larger deductible than her current insurance. Since we make more than the minimum for subsidies, that's not going to help either. This is a mess, it needs to be fixed, and it needs to happen now. Congress wasn't straight with us, and sorry to say - neither was the President.

And don't even try to sell me on how much better a plan on the exchange will be. As I said above, I already looked.

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God damn it. How the hell do you get blindsided by your own f%$#@*g legislation??? [View all] WilliamPitt Nov 2013 OP

I agree. Seems like somebody had their head in the wrong place. ladjf Nov 2013 #1

Or someone besides them wrote parts of the legislation NoOneMan Nov 2013 #4

No excuse. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #7

Their bill? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #25

The Heritage Foundation did not bring it to Congress. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #34

I don't think NOM was offering that explanation as an excuse. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #54

I think the ACA was largely written Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #134

Or the legislation was twisted into this by Republican obstructionists. Hoyt Nov 2013 #177

wish we could blame them formernaderite Nov 2013 #245

Maybe if the insurance commissioners had done their jobs in the past, we wouldn't need this. Hoyt Nov 2013 #248

Fine. Let them keep their crappy insurance. They can thank the GOP when JaneyVee Nov 2013 #2

That's not the point. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #5

Of course they did. They even handed out numerous reports on it in 2010. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #16

Point being, it IS the law... B2G Nov 2013 #19

He probably needs the cooperation of state insurance commissions FarCenter Nov 2013 #26

IF Congress approves it first B2G Nov 2013 #30

A law requiring insurance companies to extend policies may be unconstitutional. FarCenter Nov 2013 #33

He has the regulatory authority to rewrite the regs that made the policies not grandfathered Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #61

There is a GOP-sponsored House bill and a Democrat-sponsored Senate Bill in the works Gore1FL Nov 2013 #168

That does not work.. busterbrown Nov 2013 #140

Agreed Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #228

Just pray to the gods that this bunch never takes us into a real war! eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #3

for real. and any attempt to rationally criticize the problems with the ACA cali Nov 2013 #6

let me ask this DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #78

You have no problem putting words in my mouth that are as wrong as wrong could be cali Nov 2013 #90

OK DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #91

Thanks. I'll take it. And perhaps you could come away from this encounter cali Nov 2013 #99

That's ok DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #101

That reaction Township75 Nov 2013 #171

blindsided?? More like screwed over by the ones who wrote it. Autumn Nov 2013 #8

Not all of the canceled plans are *junk*. I'm growing a bit weary of this talking point. Some of SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #162

thank you for that post - it really is just a talking point now and way too simplified at best. covadcalifornia Nov 2013 #176

Welcome to DU. I can tell you than many here will defend the ACA until death. The problem is SlimJimmy Nov 2013 #241

they are certainly not all junk plans formernaderite Nov 2013 #246

On CSpan in minutes fadedrose Nov 2013 #9

What you are witnessing is what is wrong with politics - no spine joeglow3 Nov 2013 #10

Even on DU, many people don't want to pay more for the good of those poorer than them Democat Nov 2013 #80

The insurance industry purposefully conflated issues of their profits with our altruism. Romulox Nov 2013 #95

Brilliant. You have summed up the essence of this perfectly. solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #214

not quite hfojvt Nov 2013 #120

This may come as a shock to you, but some in the middle class... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #139

this! nt cash__whatiwant Nov 2013 #188

I don't disagree that the middle class has been under attack for a long time Democat Nov 2013 #222

I haven't come across too many DUers saying they're... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #242

at which point were the voters told this? hfojvt Nov 2013 #106

Because those in group coverage are already spreading those costs joeglow3 Nov 2013 #135

come on Joe formernaderite Nov 2013 #247

*sigh* We need single payer so fucking bad. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #11

and just how do you think that will happen? The media has already brainwashed the public with lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #58

Well, it doesn't help when the only plan being pushed was the Heritage Foundation's brainchild NuclearDem Nov 2013 #62

Let me make it clear, I wish we had single payer. However, there was no way it was going to happen. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #66

Lieberman's vote wasn't needed, actually. eomer Nov 2013 #114

"The media has already brainwashed the public with repuke talking points" NCTraveler Nov 2013 #81

+100 nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #88

I agree! Why not stand up and fight for the ACA? Why not stand up to the fucking insurance industry? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #97

I am not sure I understand your two comments. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #112

No kidding...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #169

I'm talking about what the ACA does to keep the industry in check. While not perfect, it at least Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #179

"providing at least 80% in health care coverage" NCTraveler Nov 2013 #181

In theory, yes, but not all in practice. Not all insurance companies did that. The ACA mandates that Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #184

That may be true, then why don't they vote for representatives that favor single payer? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #104

There are many reasons for that. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #117

"Hillarycare" ended up winning but she didn't. Why? And Hillycare lost bigtime in 1994. I agree that Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #183

That is the best description and explanation I have heard on this issue. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #239

Because the Party Machine won't allow those candidates onto the ballot bobduca Nov 2013 #235

Why not Medicare for Everyone. The system is already in place and who doesn't like Medicare? SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #82

question is how to pay for it.... Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #213

It is CHEAPER than insurance. No profit. You pay tax instead of premiums. Simple. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #215

The Myth of the War of the Worlds Panic <You mean the real history, or the myth? jtuck004 Nov 2013 #144

I think the way the law was written caused many policies to get caught in a bigger net TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #12

They didn't. This is the insurance companies cancelling policies and using ACA as cover. yellowcanine Nov 2013 #13

This. the big lie is taking hold it seems. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #86

Yes. Whisp Nov 2013 #98

Well, now that he's taking the blame... krkaufman Nov 2013 #121

I agree with this. Because Obama is apologizing for something that he has no reason to apologize for Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #189

++ Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #131

The united insurance corporations are trying to discredit Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #145

If this is true Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #172

But we all knew they were scorpions. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #199

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #236

The thieves are out with long knives CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #14

I didn't follow the DU ACA wars that closely... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #163

Here we go again... Whisp Nov 2013 #15

how so? cali Nov 2013 #53

They did not expect the insurance companies to arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #17

Just who do you think they work for??? Us??? L0oniX Nov 2013 #18

And our weak ass president is PISSING ME OFF joeglow3 Nov 2013 #20

Nice going. You are 100% class. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #65

And your ass kissing of the president accomplishes nothing joeglow3 Nov 2013 #70

+1. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #83

I laugh at your supposed knowledge on this subject. You have no idea what you're talking about Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #122

Get shit done.....and then undo it. joeglow3 Nov 2013 #133

I think that's a Janie. N/t Whisp Nov 2013 #100

what is a Janie? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #123

see your mail. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #138

Glass houses, PW. nt Union Scribe Nov 2013 #200

keep in mind that your point of view is not universal, nor necessarily true for anyone Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #132

When you adopt Republican created policies and try and make them Democratic Bandit Nov 2013 #21

I doubt anyone was blindsided... HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #22

Even if the rollout had gone much more smoothly, they'd amplify and trumpet ANYTHING TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #27

But the cancellations mean they'll have to handle a few hundred thousand enrollments a day FarCenter Nov 2013 #31

Right--that's why it was a one-two punch the administration didn't see coming. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #36

It's NOT a fix! B2G Nov 2013 #44

I kind of have to discount anything you say, because you've been cheerleading for ACA failure TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #47

They aren't defunct until watoos Nov 2013 #155

It's not that simple B2G Nov 2013 #158

"He can't force them to reinstate policies" truebluegreen Nov 2013 #231

Agreed. treestar Nov 2013 #92

a paradox. Whisp Nov 2013 #102

At least Obama appears to realize there are serious problems quinnox Nov 2013 #23

I still don't think he understands all of the problems Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #84

No. Bill Clinton made things much worse. He should shut up and sit down somewhere. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #190

I'm fine with letting people keep their crappy policies. dawg Nov 2013 #24

I'm not. I'd rather people with shit plans pay 10x more for new policies... HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #28

It wouldn't be much of a win for the Republicans. dawg Nov 2013 #32

No. progressoid Nov 2013 #225

They weren't. gcomeau Nov 2013 #29

Exactly. And Big Mouth Bill didn't help either. Whisp Nov 2013 #38

Exactly. nt JoePhilly Nov 2013 #74

THANK YOU!! nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #165

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #237

I don't know why this is so shitfit worthy: Whisp Nov 2013 #35

Issa led his private hacking men to asjr Nov 2013 #37

What the what??? Common Sense Party Nov 2013 #57

Cheap weed, and a foil wrapped toilet paper pipe. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #67

or denial of service attacks. Whisp Nov 2013 #110

The Insurance Co's know exactly what they wrote One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #39

and you can be sure they flooded the zone with those $50 a month policies SoCalDem Nov 2013 #69

When profit is capped at 15% of Policy Rate One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #130

What was in it seveneyes Nov 2013 #40

Someone really needed to make sure the launch was perfect...or pretty damn close... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #41

Actually, political fear of mistakes was a major part of the flawed end-product. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #42

Probably, and he doesn't seem like the type to press the issue with them... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #45

Private insurers are the absolute worst feature of US healthcare. Who thought mandating a purchase Romulox Nov 2013 #43

No one could have predicted that private insurers and Republicans would bork the ACA rollout Fumesucker Nov 2013 #46

lol quinnox Nov 2013 #79

It relies completely on the private market too. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #51

But if we mandate you to pay weekly fees to muggers in your neighborhood, they won't be as violent! JVS Nov 2013 #173

Because the GOP fredamae Nov 2013 #48

O'Really? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #49

Nothing to get asshairs all afire about. Whisp Nov 2013 #50

++ Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #143

Ghost writers in the sky? Rex Nov 2013 #52

I don't think most of them knew what was in it before passing it. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #55

Don't be shortsighted. They had to rely on the insurance mafia flamingdem Nov 2013 #56

This is confusing, to be sure Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #59

This is what happens when you let TBF Nov 2013 #60

Settle the fuck down. Remember the rolling disaster of Iraq? THAT'S a quagmire Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #63

You settle the fuck down Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #77

sounds like Obama took care of you today. Bye bye. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #109

No, he didn't Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #207

It was the perfect storm really. bklyncowgirl Nov 2013 #64

See, This Is What I Said RobinA Nov 2013 #89

Easy RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #68

"We've got to pass it to see what's in it." Nancy Pelosi nt bluedeathray Nov 2013 #71

Some people owe the big blue dog Bill Clinton an apology. boston bean Nov 2013 #72

hello no DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #94

Sled Dog Billie, always pulling to the right. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #105

Or ... krkaufman Nov 2013 #137

I'm pretty sure that in 2009 they chose 2013 and later implementation dates for a reason FarCenter Nov 2013 #73

It's a damn shame Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #75

You don't matter, nor do the tens of millions of working poor about to be hammered... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #127

I thought republicans were saying that Joey Liberal Nov 2013 #205

You can read it here as well. We need to scrap this crap and get single payer. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #206

lacking context krkaufman Nov 2013 #142

you keep making this point but I'm wondering if you have laid it all out here so we can know what Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #147

Last week on PBS, a 2x Obama-voting, self-employed woman... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #175

You really want to know how? BKH70041 Nov 2013 #76

oooh intriguing.. it must be an evil conspiracy theory if it's banned here Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #149

Ancient Aliens? That's my guess LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #186

I Believe RobinA Nov 2013 #85

Obama too trusting... or naive krkaufman Nov 2013 #125

well said. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #128

It's not like the Heritage Foundation was the first or only national health care plan put in writing libdem4life Nov 2013 #87

I honestly don't think the Insurance company lies, misinformation Sheepshank Nov 2013 #93

Which legislators wrote the bill? And why are they allowing Obama to take the blame for it? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #96

How many of them bothered to read it? badtoworse Nov 2013 #107

When the president signs the bill he has ultimate responsibility for it. n/t totodeinhere Nov 2013 #119

As do the Democrats who crafted the bill and voted for it. n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #185

Because they didn't spend months running around the country lying about what it said... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #148

President did not lie. That is Corporate Media bullshit spin. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #187

Don't call the President a liar. Whisp Nov 2013 #196

What alternative label would ease your pain? The definition: Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #201

I see a definition of Joe Wilson and his many buds. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #202

Health care lobbiest wrote the damn thing liberal N proud Nov 2013 #103

I think the ACA is better than what was before, but blaming it on lobbyists is bull. Politicians lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #118

So it is the politicians fault that the lobbyist wrote the bill liberal N proud Nov 2013 #152

Yes it is their fault lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #159

The same way they were so utterly surprised that red states would turn down Medicaid expansion. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #108

Exactly Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #111

Blindsided by the media spin, maybe, and forced to be seen acting. n/t Orsino Nov 2013 #113

Thank you! Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #115

No one was blindsided. Not the President. Not Congress. Not the media. lynne Nov 2013 #116

1000 pages krkaufman Nov 2013 #124

so you are agreeing with, for example, Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #126

Another bad thing. Keefer Nov 2013 #129

It looks even worse when, if you think back, repukes were claiming people were going hughee99 Nov 2013 #136

The Republicans smell blood in the water now and are circling. reflection Nov 2013 #141

I think they just underestimated the volume to which the small number of individual plans AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #146

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Sorry, the Rude Pundit wins this one hands down: Whisp Nov 2013 #150

Another priceless rant from the Rude One. Brigid Nov 2013 #157

That is about the best summary out there. Whisp Nov 2013 #164

He needs to direct that to Bill Clinton who still holds a grudge that this black man won! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #191

Nope. Plain as day he's in it all for himself. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #193

Yep, that too! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #195

Agreed Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #229

I am seeing an ad on the bottom of this thread . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #151

Because Landrieu is a ProSense Nov 2013 #153

Hahahaha!!!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #154

Why are people acting like this is another Great Betrayal by the Master Spelunker? Whisp Nov 2013 #160

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #166

re:God damn it. How the hell do you get blindsided by your own f%$#@*g legislation??? View profile allan01 Nov 2013 #156

And we acted surpised allinthegame Nov 2013 #161

Nah, the Democrats fight for what they believe in Fumesucker Nov 2013 #174

Maybe because their crystal ball was on the fritz? jazzimov Nov 2013 #167

You mean smartest-man-in-the-room Obama and his Ivy League administration... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #192

Scary Dumb 'Bama Coming For You............... Whisp Nov 2013 #170

You're overlooking the fact that the Rethug party during pnwmom Nov 2013 #178

Should have been public option. AndyA Nov 2013 #180

you still believe that crap, don't you? Whisp Nov 2013 #182

That's a pretty big assumption on your part. AndyA Nov 2013 #209

Excuse me, then. Maybe you can explain what you meant: Whisp Nov 2013 #210

Well you took it wrong. AndyA Nov 2013 #211

Well, sorry then. I did take it the wrong way. Whisp Nov 2013 #212

No problem AndyA Nov 2013 #234

Well... progressoid Nov 2013 #226

Now, now William, calm down... fadedrose Nov 2013 #194

Those Missouri hurricanes deaniac21 Nov 2013 #197

The hurricanes started somplace else, like the east coast, and blew a big bunch of wind fadedrose Nov 2013 #198

"Once less unto the breach, dear friends!" gulliver Nov 2013 #203

Chalk up round one to the insurance companies... kentuck Nov 2013 #204

Let's all relax. It'll get fixed. brush Nov 2013 #208

I'm pissed too-call me shallow. Boomerproud Nov 2013 #216

Yes, they did indeed write it. The problem though, is that they did not READ it after they wrote it. Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #217

My question... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #218

Neither. Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #224

ACA - a bad idea poorly executed. KG Nov 2013 #219

You get blindsided when the Teabagging Press start yelping to satisfy their corporate masters. tsuki Nov 2013 #220

Who is they? The sausage makers? BootinUp Nov 2013 #221

Because the insurance companies wrote it? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #223

Really? SMH Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #227

Saying "insurance companies wrote it" (or like it) is like saying "politicians" did Recursion Nov 2013 #230

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What's the point? pintobean Nov 2013 #233

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They had to pass it mwrguy Nov 2013 #244

I Work For EDD In California... Don't I Know It Brother... WillyT Nov 2013 #249