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15. A terrible situation in a terrible context.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:00 AM
Nov 2013

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According to Ben, the ultra-Orthodox community has never been as repressive as it is today. The repression, as he describes it, stems from the burden of having too many children. Huge families are encouraged: every child born to a Hasid is seen as “a finger in the eye of Hitler.” Ben also told me that the average family size among Williamsburg Hasidim is nine, and that some families include more than 15 children.

Families saddled with an increasing number of children soon enter into a cycle of poverty. There is simultaneously an extreme separation of the sexes, which is unprecedented in the history of the Hasidim. There is limited general education, to the point that most men in the community are educated only to the third grade, and receive absolutely no sexual education. No secular newspapers are allowed, and internet access is forbidden. “The men in the community are undereducated by design,” Ben said. “You have a community that has been infantilised. They have been trained not to think. It’s a sort of totalitarian control.”

The rabbis, dominating an ignorant and largely poverty-stricken flock, determine the fate of every individual in the community. Nothing is done without the consent of the rabbinical establishment. A man wants to buy a new car – he goes to the rabbi for counsel. A man wants to marry – the rabbi tells him whether or not he should marry a particular bride. As for the women, they don’t get to ask the rabbi anything. Their place is beneath contempt.

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The Child-Rape Assembly Line [View all] Snowfield Nov 2013 OP
gross and shocking. Sheri Nov 2013 #1
real, unfortunately Snowfield Nov 2013 #7
wow. Sheri Nov 2013 #10
Brings to mind Penn State and the BBC AngryAmish Nov 2013 #2
HARDLY. Sandusky was ONE man, not near what this witness, or OP headline, claims. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #9
Sandusky got away with it for years LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #22
Disgusting behavior leftynyc Nov 2013 #3
Sexual abuse is unacceptable. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #4
Between Catholic priests and Hasidic rabbis, hell is for children. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #5
You left out the baptists and the evangelicals BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #35
There is no large group that doesn't include child molesters. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #47
Sickening MoonRiver Nov 2013 #6
One might speculate that heavily patriarchal authoritan hierarchies LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #8
i think you're right about that. Sheri Nov 2013 #12
speaking out against it every. single. time. it is thru out our culture. gaining momentum. seabeyond Nov 2013 #14
yeah, but if you speak out they'll call you a "angry" feminist Sheri Nov 2013 #18
i am old and tired. let people walk. i am done with accepting our girls being raped, put on the seabeyond Nov 2013 #20
i will never "accept" rape. Sheri Nov 2013 #23
what i am saying, is i think just support does that. instead of dismissing, denying, ignoring. seabeyond Nov 2013 #25
in case nobody has told you recently, you rock! Sheri Nov 2013 #26
see... how effective. and your simple comment to me, instead of staying quiet, seabeyond Nov 2013 #28
the internet does promise to make things a lot better. Sheri Nov 2013 #31
You do realize that the OP described a sexual assault on a boy. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #41
ah grumpy. and here you are. such a contribution to the conversation. yes sir. hmmm. seabeyond Nov 2013 #42
It's the same problem though. Not just child abuse, but abuse of all vulnerable people. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #50
Enforcing the laws & making them do prison time LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #16
all of this. and yes. so damn important for there to be a penalty for this, and we are seeing more seabeyond Nov 2013 #17
good list! Sheri Nov 2013 #21
what would happen if in mass he was actually supported. by people that a fearful of speaking out. seabeyond Nov 2013 #24
i'm catholic, not orthodox jewish. Sheri Nov 2013 #27
i am non religion. i can respect most al religion. i can also call out most religion, seabeyond Nov 2013 #29
i enjoyed it too. Sheri Nov 2013 #32
what do they call it.. non practicing catholic, but always a catholic, lol. seabeyond Nov 2013 #34
the american catholic church used to be pretty liberal. Sheri Nov 2013 #37
yup. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #38
agreed. well put. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #13
wtf? whttevrr Nov 2013 #11
A terrible situation in a terrible context. enough Nov 2013 #15
Absolutely LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #19
The Haredi are by far the largest growing demographic in Israel LittleBlue Nov 2013 #33
Theoretically, if Haredis became the overwhelming majority LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #36
You win the thread. This is being done nationally by conservatives: freshwest Nov 2013 #40
Is there any major religion that does not have a systematic child abuse problem? Quantess Nov 2013 #30
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. PassingFair Nov 2013 #39
Good grief that's disturbing. polly7 Nov 2013 #43
Read Deborah Feldman's "Unorthodox." Brigid Nov 2013 #44
Rabbi Rosenberg's graphic descriptions are the outrage of a righteous man Hekate Nov 2013 #45
Are the parents aware? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #46
The article gives examples. Some parents become aware pnwmom Nov 2013 #48
That's kinda what I figured. I see that as a failing in some churches. They train people to rhett o rick Nov 2013 #51
There seems to be a pretty stark difference here because of the extremes pnwmom Nov 2013 #53
I agree that the Catholic Church isnt as bad as this case, but rhett o rick Nov 2013 #60
The post Vatican 2 generation of young Catholics didn't get that kind pnwmom Nov 2013 #61
Where is civil law in all of this? And why are the women subjecting pnwmom Nov 2013 #49
When a community is this insular, with its own court system etc., secular authorities in most cases nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #54
Closed, rigidly patriarchal religious sects = abuse Warpy Nov 2013 #52
WTF is this bs? Matariki Nov 2013 #55
I read this thread earlier and wondered about the veracity. Nine Nov 2013 #58
I'm sure abuse happens in Orthodox Jewish communities same as everywhere else, tragically Matariki Nov 2013 #63
That's the sense I got too. Nine Nov 2013 #64
holhy shit, that's fucking horrible gopiscrap Nov 2013 #56
There seems to be a statistical correlation between extreme religious fundamentalism and Massively Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #57
sick rapists Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #59
I am sick to death of children being forced to carry these burdens FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #62
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