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jeff47

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38. Pointing to the same wrong things does not make them right.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:33 PM
Nov 2013
My background is engineering. I deal a lot with lean manufacturing and cost reduction of production. I am not an economics major, but have a very strong math background and apply that in areas that we are discussing here.

Ok, so if I kept insisting that steel is weaker than balsa, would that make me right?

If you put a steel plate and an equal sized piece of balsa wood on a desk and showed the balsa broke first, that would show I was wrong, correct? Shouldn't I change my theory when I am shown to be wrong?

Well, states that increased their minimum wage do not experience inflation. Happened in the 90s, the 00s and it's starting to happen again. Why are you continuing to insist that increasing the minimum wage causes inflation?

Rents are definitely higher in areas with higher wages, at least in the places I have lived. Unless you can come up with real numbers we will be at a stand-off here as I have not supplied real numbers either.

http://backtofullemployment.org/2013/01/18/minimum-wage-hikes-do-not-cause-inflation/

A nice, accessible blog post to start with that covers today's economy. But what I'm talking about is what happened in the 90s and the 00s, where many states raised their minimum wage above the federal minimum, yet did not experience inflation.

Walk through some malls and warehouse stores. Really look around at the massive amounts of "stuff" that is out there. Tell me we are not overproducing with a straight face.

Yeah....you really, really do not understand basic economics.

An economy at full capacity would mean those warehouses were empty. Because factories could not produce any more stuff. In an economy at full capacity, unemployment is about 2% (there's always a little turnover). Our unemployment is 7.3%. An economy at full capacity looks like the US in the mid 1990s. We look nothing like that.

There's a ton of shit in warehouses because too many people are underpaid. Pay more, and those warehouses empty. Guess what raising the minimum wage does?
Shame... [View all] sheshe2 Nov 2013 OP
raising minimum wage will not help PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #1
Yes it will, there are many steps in the equation. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #7
No it will not PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #8
So, what is your solution? The Global Corps seem to think no minimum wage works just fine sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #9
It is a shame PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #11
Thank you sabrina. nt sheshe2 Nov 2013 #12
Yes I do want to see a prosperous middle class. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #14
You are correct PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #16
No gains? Seriously? sheshe2 Nov 2013 #18
Middle class has not become minimum wage workers PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #21
By whose definition??? happyslug Nov 2013 #26
Let me clarify PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #27
When Working Class is an Option, half of the "Middle Class" opts for it. happyslug Nov 2013 #28
Raising the minimum wage has effects beyond paychecks for the poor. jeff47 Nov 2013 #29
That is what we call inflation PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #30
Only if the economy is already running at or near capacity. jeff47 Nov 2013 #31
supply vs demand PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #34
Your first sentence is utterly and completely false. jeff47 Nov 2013 #36
..... PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #37
Pointing to the same wrong things does not make them right. jeff47 Nov 2013 #38
we have very different views on this PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #39
So balsa is stronger than steel? jeff47 Nov 2013 #40
we are going nowhere PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #41
The current unemployment rate is an unsupported statistic? jeff47 Nov 2013 #42
That is exactly what is happening and there is no mechanism to stop it, so Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #44
Wall Street just broke another record but Republicans keep saying "We're broke". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #15
Ok. PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #17
Easy. Raise taxes on the rich but then let them claim payroll as a business deduction.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #19
Isn't payroll already a deduction? PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #22
It got to be more of an expense thanks to changes in the tax code.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #23
"unspent profits tax", exactly. The best way that I know of to accomplish it is a Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #46
The purpose of an "unspent profits tax" is to get business to invest in R&D as well. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #47
k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #2
Recommended. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #3
K & R giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #4
I think we do, she.. Cha Nov 2013 #5
Yes... sheshe2 Nov 2013 #6
Clean the effing house! Iliyah Nov 2013 #10
The Republicans claim it's from two things... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #13
Around 1980 something really reversed in this nation. We'd been making progress with maddiemom Nov 2013 #20
Interesting perspective. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #33
Typical GOP response: "Then why are immigrants beating down our doors trying to move here?" ErikJ Nov 2013 #24
CONgress is too busy counting its offshored Billions, to worry about peons starving in the streets! blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #25
We DO need to raise the minimum wage. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #32
a friend sent this to me to "like" on FB. i do not know if it does any good, but i "liked" it. seabeyond Nov 2013 #35
Thank you sebeyond, sheshe2 Nov 2013 #43
KICK!! REC! Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #45
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