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74. here's a few links to educate you and others
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 06:17 PM
Nov 2013

Why You Shouldn't Donate to the Salvation Army Bell Ringers
Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2011/11/why_you_shouldnt_donate_to_the_salvation_army_bell.php#vDRVvl3gPVUF5CVv.99

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Since 1986 the Salvation Army has engaged in five major assaults on the LGBT community's civil rights and attempted to carve out exemptions that would allow them to deny gays and lesbians needed services as well as employment.

When New Zealand considered passage of the Homosexual Law Reform Act in 1986, the Salvation Army collected signatures in an attempt to get the legislation killed. The act decriminalized consensual sex between gay men. The measure passed over the charity's objections.

In the United Kingdom, the Salvation Army actively pushed passage of an amendment to the Local Government Act. The amendment stated that local authorities "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." The law has since been repealed, but it led many schools and colleges to close LGBT student organizations out of fear they'd lose their government funding.

In 2001, the organization tried to extract a resolution from the White House that they could ignore local non-discrimination laws that protected LGBT people. While the commitment would have applied to all employees, the group claimed that it needed the resolution so it "did not have to ordain sexually active gay ministers and did not have to provide medical benefits to the same-sex partners of employees." After lawmakers and civil rights activists revealed the Salvation Army's active resistance to non-discrimination laws, the White House admitted the charity was seeking the exemptions.
Also in 2001, the evangelical charity actively lobbied to change how the Bush administration would distribute over $24 billion in grants and tax deductions by urging the White House deny funding to any cities or states that included LGBT non-discrimination laws. Ari Fleischer, White House press secretary, issued a statement saying the administration was denying a "regulation sought by the church to protect the right of taxpayer-funded religious organizations to discriminate against homosexuals."

In 2004, the Salvation Army threatened to close all their soup kitchens in New York City to protest the city's decision to require all vendors and charities doing business with the city to adhere to all civil rights laws. The organization balked at having to treat gay employees equal to straight employees.

Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2011/11/why_you_shouldnt_donate_to_the_salvation_army_bell.php#vDRVvl3gPVUF5CVv.99

7 Companies That Don't Support Gay Rights

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/anti-gay-companies_n_4110344.html

4. The Salvation Army
If those ringing bells every holiday season weren't enough to make you not want to donate, this will.
You'd think as a charitable organization The Salvation Army would be all about charity. However, that's not exactly the case.

"The Salvation Army has a history of active discrimination against gays and lesbians. While you might think you're helping the hungry and homeless by dropping a few dollars in the bright red buckets, not everyone can share in the donations," Bil Browning notes on The Bilerico Project. "The organization also has a record of actively lobbying governments worldwide for anti-gay policies — including an attempt to make consensual gay sex illegal."

If that doesn't make you feel uneasy, then how about the fact that they believe gays need to be put to death?

Major Andrew Craibe, a Salvation Army Media Relations Director, went on public radio hosted by journalist Serena Ryan, to discuss a recent call by LGBTQ parents for a boycott of the nonprofit for its anti-gay policies and beliefs.

Is the Salvation Army anti–LGBT? Yes

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostonspirit/2012/11/is_the_salvation_army_antilgbt.html

Significant anti-lgbt moments in the Salvation Army’s past include:

In 2002 the charity made waves when it announced a policy that would have offered health insurance for a “legally domiciled adult” living with an employee. Essentially granting health benefits for same-sex partners of employees. This policy was reversed after only 2 weeks

In 2003 the Washington Post reported that the Bush administration was working with the Salvation Army in an effort to issue a regulation making it easier for government-funded religious groups to discriminate against gay people in hiring. According to an internal Salvation Army report the Bush White House gave the charity a “firm commitment” to work to protect them from state and city laws that prevent discrimination against gays in hiring and domestic-partner benefits

At the time the Salvation Army spent approximately $100,000 to lobby in favor of President Bush’s faith based initiative. (The Bush administration wound up not working with the Salvation Army on the regulation)

In 2004 the charity threatened to leave New York City if Mayor Michael Bloomberg enforces a new ordinance requiring all groups with city contracts to offer benefits to the same-sex partners of employees. Bloomberg was against the ordinance and did not enforce it.

In June of this year the following passage appeared on the official website of the Australian Salvation Army:

"[Homosexual activity is] as rebellion against God's plan for the created order... Homosexual practice, however, is, in the light of Scripture, clearly unacceptable. Such activity is chosen behaviour and is thus a matter of the will. It is therefore able to be directed or restrained in the same way heterosexual urges are controlled. Homosexual practice would render any person ineligible for full membership (soldiership) in the [Salvation] Army."

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I'm with you. I don't know. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #1
Here's a snopes article on the matter: NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #2
AK-47s? chopping off the hands of children? Schema Thing Nov 2013 #3
"I'm in for whatever we are currently hating. " A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #4
So when is Hate Week? Brigid Nov 2013 #16
Fifth Tuesday in Febuary! n/t Mopar151 Nov 2013 #96
unfortunately hfojvt Nov 2013 #17
goddammit! Schema Thing Nov 2013 #26
You too? FrodosPet Nov 2013 #109
You are correct in that they do not discriminate in who they serve. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #5
local shelters and food banks are a much more efficient use of charitable resources. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #108
The Salvation Army is local to the communities they serve. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #123
I give to it, because so much of the money goes straight to those who need it. Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #6
I give to them for 840high Nov 2013 #101
You're all homophobes. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #7
Lbgtq rights are a fucking joke? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #12
no, the "joke" is hfojvt Nov 2013 #19
If people aren't punished for being bigoted, then they have no incentive to stop being bigoted el_bryanto Nov 2013 #23
I think it is a weak argument hfojvt Nov 2013 #29
Given that there are plenty of orgs out there to donate to... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #34
except I am donating time hfojvt Nov 2013 #39
I've donated and given time to the Red Cross, and worked/supported local... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #42
+infinity. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #31
Wait...the only incentive to change is punishment??? yawnmaster Nov 2013 #43
It's not the only incentive. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #47
businesses are not human and react differently to "punishment"... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #126
Bryant, think about what you said, and please correct me if I misunderstand... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #45
Well it's not my argument; it's just me trying to understand the argument being applied el_bryanto Nov 2013 #51
you open avenues for acceptable behavior in a society... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #127
Isn't closing avenues for bigots the same as punishing them? or how would it be different? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #128
"directing your money elsewhere" isn't exactly punishment. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #76
Ah, the "sufficient purity" meme. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #28
Pointing out homophobia = spewing hatred. Ohhowdull. yardwork Nov 2013 #77
Yep, it's about is big a pile of bullshit as I've ever seen. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #81
it's not about "not putting a quarter in the bucket" hfojvt Nov 2013 #121
the op asked what's so bad about the SA. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #130
No but the behavior of some DUers is. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #100
I had an SA bell ringer tell me to my face that they didn't want my money because of Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #8
That bell ringer knew what your "lifestyle" is as you dropped your change in the bucket.......how? WillowTree Nov 2013 #102
I was holding hands with my partner at the time. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #103
Nonsense! Gays aren't real people who do things like hold hands! eqfan592 Nov 2013 #104
I know. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #105
Agreed. I've been stunned as of late at the attitudes of some. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #114
DU can find a reason to hate anybody cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #9
purity trolls FatBuddy Nov 2013 #32
It had nothing to do with purity, and everything to do with calling a horse a horse. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #35
Yeah, god forbid. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33
Yeah, when it comes to people having food to eat....so they don't die.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #44
Because only the salvation army helps the poor. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #48
God forbid gays get equal treatment. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #50
From what some say, you'd think no such thing existed. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #53
I'll give to whomever I want, regardless of internet rumors. Thanks! cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #63
Well bless your heart. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #69
"internet rumors?" eqfan592 Nov 2013 #82
LOL - that's from 2001 cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #115
Lol, that matters not. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #116
it seeks out and fires persons who are found to be LGBT or who advocate for LGBT issues. I can msongs Nov 2013 #10
Perhaps those who get their information do so from sources we would object to. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #11
Beats me... pipi_k Nov 2013 #13
I can tell you why I hate Ayn Rand hfojvt Nov 2013 #20
OK - that's different- because Ayn Rand was a philosopher who communicated her philosophy el_bryanto Nov 2013 #24
People hate her philosophy not her treestar Nov 2013 #67
Back in the early to mid 1990s, I volunteered with a Salvation Army program for street youth Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #14
cool story hfojvt Nov 2013 #21
You were helping. Helping a campaign to aid in discriminatory hiring practices. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #40
You understand that people dealing with other branches have experienced discrimination, right? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #38
By chance do you have a list? FrodosPet Nov 2013 #111
The only national org i give to these days is the red cross. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #112
I have very bifurcated feelings about the Salvation Army etherealtruth Nov 2013 #15
This is the first SA controversy I was aware of. Nine Nov 2013 #18
Like you said, plenty of charities that don't have this level of baggage. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #41
There are some good reasons to be angry with the Salvation Army enki23 Nov 2013 #22
They do have an 82% Charitable Commitment el_bryanto Nov 2013 #25
They don't need to be dishonest (in that way) to be a problem. enki23 Nov 2013 #78
Fair enough el_bryanto Nov 2013 #92
Unlikely, unless they themselves are recipients of said bigotry. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #98
Lots of things. It is not a charity, it is a church and as such is not subject to any oversight. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #27
No issues. Xolodno Nov 2013 #30
Yep, because there are no charities out there that don't have issues with... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #36
Do they discriminate? Yes, they do....but then...so does every religion in some form or way... Xolodno Nov 2013 #49
I do deal with it, by giving to other charities. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #52
Ask me if I care what you think... Xolodno Nov 2013 #55
You ask me if you care, then write three paragraphs. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #59
Glad you responded...from you last post..it seemed you were going to cut and run.... Xolodno Nov 2013 #65
The entire premise of your argument is based on a logical fallacy. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #68
Call it discrimontary all you want... Xolodno Nov 2013 #72
"pure" enough? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #75
Well...if you want to get angry...thats your business... Xolodno Nov 2013 #86
Actually, my response would be "I'm sorry, but my money goes to organizations that support... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #90
So basically... Xolodno Nov 2013 #93
Yep, that's right, fuck the LGBT community for the "greater good." eqfan592 Nov 2013 #95
Then why don't you just toss that money to the needy yourself? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #57
Honestly, i think it's laziness. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #60
Wow....suddenly donating to causes you don't agree with is "laziness"... Xolodno Nov 2013 #73
Nice straw man argument. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #84
I get attacked for donating from an unapproved charity by you... Xolodno Nov 2013 #87
You're supporting an organization that supports discrimination. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #89
No....you are demanding....don't lie... Xolodno Nov 2013 #91
Yeah, when you start putting words in my mouth, you've officially admitted defeat. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #94
I do. Xolodno Nov 2013 #61
I don't think you need defend yourself for doing good, but the picture you've painted Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #64
I don't see the SA as "secretive"...just usually religious..and maybe thats where we part ways... Xolodno Nov 2013 #71
I look at the SA the same way I look at the Boy Scouts. Xithras Nov 2013 #37
That's really pipi_k Nov 2013 #117
Why would you be ok with some of your donation being used to do harm while some does good? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #120
Besides the guy from the Salvation Army calling me a jew last year Johonny Nov 2013 #46
Let me ask this: Are_grits_groceries Nov 2013 #54
+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #58
Huge +1. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #62
It seems like it yes lunasun Nov 2013 #83
Thank you. To think that the fight for LGBTIQ equality is sneered by some here as a "purity test" myrna minx Nov 2013 #66
+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #106
I think they do Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #56
I prefer to donate my goods, services and money to organizations that aren't bigoted. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #70
here's a few links to educate you and others xchrom Nov 2013 #74
thank you..... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #79
I'll add the following enki23 Nov 2013 #80
"Purity test" has become code word for "I want it to be OK for me to support people and orgs that... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #85
Thanks Renew Deal Nov 2013 #88
Thank you for posting those links. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #107
I'm mixed on this. One of my great aunts was an S.A. officer. hunter Nov 2013 #97
I don't want anything to do with something that has Liberal In Texas Nov 2013 #99
The Salvation Army fought for hiring discrimination with federal faith based funds. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #110
Those who donated to them helped fund that legal agenda. It is that simple. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #119
The Christian part is ok, the homophobe part is not - TBF Nov 2013 #113
I understand Scientology does much 'good work' do you give to them as well? KKK community out Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #118
The interesting thing about this thread is the lack of alternatives offered. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #122
One of the real problems with "alternatives"... Xithras Nov 2013 #124
Why do they not name those at least? I saw only one alternative and that was TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #125
The Salvation Army IS a church. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #132
I almost posted a local alternative, but I didn't because it wouldn't be generally helpful LeftyMom Nov 2013 #131
That is kind of the thing. No doubt the organization is worthy but by definitely they don't have the TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #134
Locally their programs are MUCH wider reaching and more comprehensive than SA. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #135
I visit their Thrift Stores Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #129
They fed my friends husband when he was working a crash site therehegoes Nov 2013 #133
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