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Xolodno

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91. No....you are demanding....don't lie...

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:20 PM

Nov 2013

...that's is the reason you responded the whole time.

Fact: I donate to (albeit pennies) to an organization you don't like...and even admitted to that they help the poor.

Fact: According to you, this is unacceptable because, they don't hire/promote of the LGBT.

Fact: I recognize them as a semi-religious institution....you demand they be public. When...they never represented themselves as a "public" institution.

Fact: The SA helps many in need.

Fact: According to you, I should not toss them my change because they don't support LGBT rights...the needy are irregardless.

Reality:..this all about me throwing my change into a red can for those in need, whose organization is highly "religious" and you sneering at it because they don't hire/promote from the LGBT community.

I don't like their stance on LGBT...but, I am not going to deny that they do help many in need. Last I checked, there were plenty of other groups/organizations/government officials that block reform.

I can look past of centuries of persecution for the betterment of others....apparently you can't.

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So what's so bad about The Salvation Army anyway? [View all] Bennyboy Nov 2013 OP

I'm with you. I don't know. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #1

Here's a snopes article on the matter: NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #2

AK-47s? chopping off the hands of children? Schema Thing Nov 2013 #3

"I'm in for whatever we are currently hating. " A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #4

So when is Hate Week? Brigid Nov 2013 #16

Fifth Tuesday in Febuary! n/t Mopar151 Nov 2013 #96

unfortunately hfojvt Nov 2013 #17

goddammit! Schema Thing Nov 2013 #26

You too? FrodosPet Nov 2013 #109

You are correct in that they do not discriminate in who they serve. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #5

local shelters and food banks are a much more efficient use of charitable resources. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #108

The Salvation Army is local to the communities they serve. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #123

I give to it, because so much of the money goes straight to those who need it. Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #6

I give to them for 840high Nov 2013 #101

You're all homophobes. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #7

Lbgtq rights are a fucking joke? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #12

no, the "joke" is hfojvt Nov 2013 #19

If people aren't punished for being bigoted, then they have no incentive to stop being bigoted el_bryanto Nov 2013 #23

I think it is a weak argument hfojvt Nov 2013 #29

Given that there are plenty of orgs out there to donate to... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #34

except I am donating time hfojvt Nov 2013 #39

I've donated and given time to the Red Cross, and worked/supported local... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #42

+infinity. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #31

Wait...the only incentive to change is punishment??? yawnmaster Nov 2013 #43

It's not the only incentive. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #47

businesses are not human and react differently to "punishment"... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #126

Bryant, think about what you said, and please correct me if I misunderstand... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #45

Well it's not my argument; it's just me trying to understand the argument being applied el_bryanto Nov 2013 #51

you open avenues for acceptable behavior in a society... yawnmaster Nov 2013 #127

Isn't closing avenues for bigots the same as punishing them? or how would it be different? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #128

"directing your money elsewhere" isn't exactly punishment. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #76

Ah, the "sufficient purity" meme. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #28

Pointing out homophobia = spewing hatred. Ohhowdull. yardwork Nov 2013 #77

Yep, it's about is big a pile of bullshit as I've ever seen. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #81

it's not about "not putting a quarter in the bucket" hfojvt Nov 2013 #121

the op asked what's so bad about the SA. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #130

No but the behavior of some DUers is. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #100

I had an SA bell ringer tell me to my face that they didn't want my money because of Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #8

That bell ringer knew what your "lifestyle" is as you dropped your change in the bucket.......how? WillowTree Nov 2013 #102

I was holding hands with my partner at the time. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #103

Nonsense! Gays aren't real people who do things like hold hands! eqfan592 Nov 2013 #104

I know. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #105

Agreed. I've been stunned as of late at the attitudes of some. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #114

DU can find a reason to hate anybody cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #9

purity trolls FatBuddy Nov 2013 #32

It had nothing to do with purity, and everything to do with calling a horse a horse. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #35

Yeah, god forbid. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33

Yeah, when it comes to people having food to eat....so they don't die.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #44

Because only the salvation army helps the poor. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #48

God forbid gays get equal treatment. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #50

From what some say, you'd think no such thing existed. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #53

I'll give to whomever I want, regardless of internet rumors. Thanks! cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #63

Well bless your heart. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #69

"internet rumors?" eqfan592 Nov 2013 #82

LOL - that's from 2001 cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #115

Lol, that matters not. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #116

it seeks out and fires persons who are found to be LGBT or who advocate for LGBT issues. I can msongs Nov 2013 #10

Perhaps those who get their information do so from sources we would object to. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #11

Beats me... pipi_k Nov 2013 #13

I can tell you why I hate Ayn Rand hfojvt Nov 2013 #20

OK - that's different- because Ayn Rand was a philosopher who communicated her philosophy el_bryanto Nov 2013 #24

People hate her philosophy not her treestar Nov 2013 #67

Back in the early to mid 1990s, I volunteered with a Salvation Army program for street youth Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #14

cool story hfojvt Nov 2013 #21

You were helping. Helping a campaign to aid in discriminatory hiring practices. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #40

You understand that people dealing with other branches have experienced discrimination, right? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #38

By chance do you have a list? FrodosPet Nov 2013 #111

The only national org i give to these days is the red cross. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #112

I have very bifurcated feelings about the Salvation Army etherealtruth Nov 2013 #15

This is the first SA controversy I was aware of. Nine Nov 2013 #18

Like you said, plenty of charities that don't have this level of baggage. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #41

There are some good reasons to be angry with the Salvation Army enki23 Nov 2013 #22

They do have an 82% Charitable Commitment el_bryanto Nov 2013 #25

They don't need to be dishonest (in that way) to be a problem. enki23 Nov 2013 #78

Fair enough el_bryanto Nov 2013 #92

Unlikely, unless they themselves are recipients of said bigotry. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #98

Lots of things. It is not a charity, it is a church and as such is not subject to any oversight. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #27

No issues. Xolodno Nov 2013 #30

Yep, because there are no charities out there that don't have issues with... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #36

Do they discriminate? Yes, they do....but then...so does every religion in some form or way... Xolodno Nov 2013 #49

I do deal with it, by giving to other charities. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #52

Ask me if I care what you think... Xolodno Nov 2013 #55

You ask me if you care, then write three paragraphs. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #59

Glad you responded...from you last post..it seemed you were going to cut and run.... Xolodno Nov 2013 #65

The entire premise of your argument is based on a logical fallacy. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #68

Call it discrimontary all you want... Xolodno Nov 2013 #72

"pure" enough? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #75

Well...if you want to get angry...thats your business... Xolodno Nov 2013 #86

Actually, my response would be "I'm sorry, but my money goes to organizations that support... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #90

So basically... Xolodno Nov 2013 #93

Yep, that's right, fuck the LGBT community for the "greater good." eqfan592 Nov 2013 #95

Then why don't you just toss that money to the needy yourself? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #57

Honestly, i think it's laziness. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #60

Wow....suddenly donating to causes you don't agree with is "laziness"... Xolodno Nov 2013 #73

Nice straw man argument. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #84

I get attacked for donating from an unapproved charity by you... Xolodno Nov 2013 #87

You're supporting an organization that supports discrimination. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #89

No....you are demanding....don't lie... Xolodno Nov 2013 #91

Yeah, when you start putting words in my mouth, you've officially admitted defeat. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #94

I do. Xolodno Nov 2013 #61

I don't think you need defend yourself for doing good, but the picture you've painted Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #64

I don't see the SA as "secretive"...just usually religious..and maybe thats where we part ways... Xolodno Nov 2013 #71

I look at the SA the same way I look at the Boy Scouts. Xithras Nov 2013 #37

That's really pipi_k Nov 2013 #117

Why would you be ok with some of your donation being used to do harm while some does good? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #120

Besides the guy from the Salvation Army calling me a jew last year Johonny Nov 2013 #46

Let me ask this: Are_grits_groceries Nov 2013 #54

+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #58

Huge +1. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #62

It seems like it yes lunasun Nov 2013 #83

Thank you. To think that the fight for LGBTIQ equality is sneered by some here as a "purity test" myrna minx Nov 2013 #66

+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #106

I think they do Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #56

I prefer to donate my goods, services and money to organizations that aren't bigoted. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #70

here's a few links to educate you and others xchrom Nov 2013 #74

thank you..... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #79

I'll add the following enki23 Nov 2013 #80

"Purity test" has become code word for "I want it to be OK for me to support people and orgs that... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #85

Thanks Renew Deal Nov 2013 #88

Thank you for posting those links. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #107

I'm mixed on this. One of my great aunts was an S.A. officer. hunter Nov 2013 #97

I don't want anything to do with something that has Liberal In Texas Nov 2013 #99

The Salvation Army fought for hiring discrimination with federal faith based funds. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #110

Those who donated to them helped fund that legal agenda. It is that simple. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #119

The Christian part is ok, the homophobe part is not - TBF Nov 2013 #113

I understand Scientology does much 'good work' do you give to them as well? KKK community out Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #118

The interesting thing about this thread is the lack of alternatives offered. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #122

One of the real problems with "alternatives"... Xithras Nov 2013 #124

Why do they not name those at least? I saw only one alternative and that was TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #125

The Salvation Army IS a church. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #132

I almost posted a local alternative, but I didn't because it wouldn't be generally helpful LeftyMom Nov 2013 #131

That is kind of the thing. No doubt the organization is worthy but by definitely they don't have the TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #134

Locally their programs are MUCH wider reaching and more comprehensive than SA. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #135

I visit their Thrift Stores Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #129

They fed my friends husband when he was working a crash site therehegoes Nov 2013 #133