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In reply to the discussion: Those who demand that everyone "just ACCEPT that Oswald did it"... [View all]Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)280. Maybe he was truly carrying curtain rods.
Last edited Tue Nov 26, 2013, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)
Maybe he was carrying curtain rods because he was ordered to do so.
Maybe he's claiming he's a patsy because he's a patsy.
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Oswald had a motive. We'll never know what it was. That doesn't negate physical evidence. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#5
Oswald had a motive, but you can't tell us what it was, and can provide no evidence?
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#18
Well, of course he had a motive. He did do it. Something motivated him to do what he did.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#38
See what I mean? He had a motive because he did it. He did it because he had a motive. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#87
Ace, I will allow that if establishing he did it means you accepting he did it
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#101
Empty assertions must have worked very well for you over the years, "William"
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#323
I believe he probably did do it. But what was his motive? Generally speaking when someone commits a
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#146
This has much more explanatory power than speculation about the unknown.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#329
True, and every time I have asked it the response is usually 'he wanted attention, he was a miserabe
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#335
Wrong. Motive never needs to be established in US criminal law. Only intent needs to be established.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#117
Um ... blurting out 'wrong' at people and telling them they shouldn't lie ... is kinda rude ...
brett_jv
Nov 2013
#173
Sorry if I suggested that. Motive is not a necessary element, but a prosecutor
JDPriestly
Nov 2013
#192
Exactly. And if you ever get a satisfactory answer re: Oswald, the same questions apply to Ruby.
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#226
But we do have the evidence. Let's start by ignoring what evidence is unknown.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#261
That's the problem. You assume that suppressed or covered-up evidence never existed.
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#262
If. If. If. That is speculation. I won't play if we speculate about unknowns.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#263
You need to demonstrate you understand something of the political climate of the time
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#264
OK, well I cannot and will not produce my academic credentials for you.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#265
I agree. When there is a pre-determined set of conclusions, it is not hard to
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#272
Ever stop to think they wouldn't need to confirm and reconfirm the scientific findings
stopbush
Nov 2013
#275
Rather simple physics calculations will show that matter can travel both forwards and backwards
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#290
This is similar, but slow motion: the bullet comes from the left, and
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#295
It's very hard to see in the second video: I had to watch it with repeated stops
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#297
Well, at least you admit that you misspoke. That's more than one gets from most CTists.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#364
This witness clearly felt Specter bullied him and others. The process was set up for that.
BlueStreak
Dec 2013
#365
Sure - that doctor would be on his face a better witness than some guy on the internet.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#370
yet some people readily buy Ruby's stated motive: "to save Jackie Kennedy another trip to Dallas"
KurtNYC
Dec 2013
#366
We've had 50 years to figure out a motive. Clearly by now it is clear that since there is no
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#145
No it doesn't, but knowing his motive would explain why he did it. His brother is still alive,
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#152
So you admit that it is possible for a guilty person to pretend he or she is innocent?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#198
A guilty person might claim innocence, but a decompensated jealous nut-job who wants
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#287
I see, you don't actually care what the conclusions of any investigation were.
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#85
Can I point out that to this day, we don't know what make and model Oswald used.
truedelphi
Nov 2013
#179
It was filmed and photographed. It is Oswald's rifle and not a Mauser.
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#206
Who said you couldn't speak to the powers who think we can't handle the truth?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#40
We can speak, but we can't be heard. Money swears so loud there's no point. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#43
Still can't find a single post of mine where I've said anything of the sort?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#53
A third post with nothing to back up your fucking stupid assertion about me and my motivations.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#58
That article is quite misleading, omitting information, providing half-quotes, etc.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#210
It's a valid statement that is typically true much more often than not, but that does not
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#156
No. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be
grahamhgreen
Dec 2013
#352
I would agree if you add "to start your analysis". Occam didnt claim that the simpler
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#359
I'm not asking you to change my mind. I'm truly interested in the evidence you have.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#110
Wrong again. I clearly used the language to discuss the scientific aspect of a criminal
stopbush
Nov 2013
#211
No, wrong yet again. I was talking about scientific evidence. You changed the context
stopbush
Nov 2013
#215
You're consistently wrong because you are not allowing for words to have different meanings
stopbush
Nov 2013
#220
Well the reason words have different meanings is because they are used in different subjects.
zeemike
Nov 2013
#222
Holey shit....you mean impressions left by a needle inscribed on a disk is not a physical thing?
zeemike
Nov 2013
#229
They're not considered to be physical evidence in a legal sense. They're documentary evidence.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#231
Sadly, you're now displaying the kind of truculence that is typical of JFK CTists.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#244
Arrogance? Citing dictionary definitions and facts is arrogance? Insulting you?
stopbush
Nov 2013
#252
The pressure to advertise when Oswald was being transferred allowed Ruby to hit him
seveneyes
Nov 2013
#13
Give me a coherent theory, supported by actual evidence -- instead of a big steaming heap
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#15
It would be sufficient to create reasonable doubt if LHO were on trial: that is a simple matter
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#48
Except that we know it was Oswald who brought the gun to the TSBD and did the shooting.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#219
Your citing of the paraffin tests in your previous post is an excellent example
stopbush
Nov 2013
#243
The meaningless paraffin test was positive. For the palms of the hands. Not the backs.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#279
After the president was killed, LHO would see there was no point in talking about curtain rods. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#288
Of course any patsy recognizing he was the patsy would react in panic mode nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#291
A patsy recognizing that he's been manipulated into performing suspicious acts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#298
Yes, in panic mode he'd say "I'm just a patsy". Why would you think otherwise? nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#304
So far, all you've accused Oswald of doing is carrying curtain rods to work.
nyquil_man
Nov 2013
#307
Your assumption that Oswald would have no reason to deny bringing curtain rods
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#310
I don't know what really happened but the Warren Commission is a load of crap. n/t
bluetexas
Nov 2013
#24
Wow! It's a fact! Stop the presses! An anonymous internet poster reveals the truth! nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#33
Anyone who thinks there has never been any credible evidence proving Oswald didn't act alone...
MrMickeysMom
Nov 2013
#35
It's a fact that a conspiracy has not been proven, but that does not prove Oswald acted alone.
Martin Eden
Nov 2013
#149
The next thing you tell me is that the Gulf of Tonkin was merely a pretext for war.
SolutionisSolidarity
Nov 2013
#34
How many seconds did it take for Oswald to make those three shots?
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#107
Just like we're supposed to accept the inevitability of another Pres. Clinton...
polichick
Nov 2013
#126
Too bad, because I don't accept the "inevitability" of another Clinton presidency.
Raksha
Nov 2013
#193
They tell us Fredo died because he was a bad swimmer, too. After all, we weren't there, so...
valerief
Nov 2013
#131
It would be interesting to see how many people that do not believe in any conspiracy...?
kentuck
Nov 2013
#153
i think conspiracy theorists waste their time on bullshit but that is there choice to make
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#159
Lioness, your avatar seems a little ironic in the context of this post.
Gidney N Cloyd
Nov 2013
#196
its not a conspiracy that wars profit some people. there is nothing even hidden about it.
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#202
The second I saw Oswald being shot it pretty much cemented my feelings that he did not
appleannie1
Nov 2013
#160
"They are asking us to believe what we're told and to just get back in line."
absquatulatewithme
Nov 2013
#205
He deserved to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but that ended when he was killed.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#338
He was never convicted. The Warren Commission started with the assumption of guilt. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#342
Wrong. The WC started with the mandate to discover the truth, not matter where it led.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#344
Whatever its stated mandate, the Warren Report started with a hasty FBI report.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#345
Yes, the FBI issued a preliminary report within two weeks of the assassination.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#348
He did it, but not alone. Jack Ruby, was the key to the whole conspiracy theory. I beleive he
demosincebirth
Nov 2013
#230
For some reason, some DUers can't entertain the idea that the government would lie to the People.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#278
They argue that if you don't find the identity of the real killers then Oswald did it
Pitagoras
Dec 2013
#357