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In reply to the discussion: Those who demand that everyone "just ACCEPT that Oswald did it"... [View all]Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)345. Whatever its stated mandate, the Warren Report started with a hasty FBI report.
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The 9/11 Commission started with Philip Zelikow's detailed outline down to chapter headings and subheadings.
The NIST report on the twin towers had the objective of explaining why and how the buildings collapsed, and
in 10,000 pages forgot to explain how. They even claimed they never analyzed the collapses.
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Oswald had a motive. We'll never know what it was. That doesn't negate physical evidence. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#5
Oswald had a motive, but you can't tell us what it was, and can provide no evidence?
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#18
Well, of course he had a motive. He did do it. Something motivated him to do what he did.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#38
See what I mean? He had a motive because he did it. He did it because he had a motive. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#87
Ace, I will allow that if establishing he did it means you accepting he did it
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#101
Empty assertions must have worked very well for you over the years, "William"
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#323
I believe he probably did do it. But what was his motive? Generally speaking when someone commits a
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#146
This has much more explanatory power than speculation about the unknown.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#329
True, and every time I have asked it the response is usually 'he wanted attention, he was a miserabe
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#335
Wrong. Motive never needs to be established in US criminal law. Only intent needs to be established.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#117
Um ... blurting out 'wrong' at people and telling them they shouldn't lie ... is kinda rude ...
brett_jv
Nov 2013
#173
Sorry if I suggested that. Motive is not a necessary element, but a prosecutor
JDPriestly
Nov 2013
#192
Exactly. And if you ever get a satisfactory answer re: Oswald, the same questions apply to Ruby.
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#226
But we do have the evidence. Let's start by ignoring what evidence is unknown.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#261
That's the problem. You assume that suppressed or covered-up evidence never existed.
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#262
If. If. If. That is speculation. I won't play if we speculate about unknowns.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#263
You need to demonstrate you understand something of the political climate of the time
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#264
OK, well I cannot and will not produce my academic credentials for you.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#265
I agree. When there is a pre-determined set of conclusions, it is not hard to
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#272
Ever stop to think they wouldn't need to confirm and reconfirm the scientific findings
stopbush
Nov 2013
#275
Rather simple physics calculations will show that matter can travel both forwards and backwards
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#290
This is similar, but slow motion: the bullet comes from the left, and
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#295
It's very hard to see in the second video: I had to watch it with repeated stops
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#297
Well, at least you admit that you misspoke. That's more than one gets from most CTists.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#364
This witness clearly felt Specter bullied him and others. The process was set up for that.
BlueStreak
Dec 2013
#365
Sure - that doctor would be on his face a better witness than some guy on the internet.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#370
yet some people readily buy Ruby's stated motive: "to save Jackie Kennedy another trip to Dallas"
KurtNYC
Dec 2013
#366
We've had 50 years to figure out a motive. Clearly by now it is clear that since there is no
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#145
No it doesn't, but knowing his motive would explain why he did it. His brother is still alive,
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#152
So you admit that it is possible for a guilty person to pretend he or she is innocent?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#198
A guilty person might claim innocence, but a decompensated jealous nut-job who wants
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#287
I see, you don't actually care what the conclusions of any investigation were.
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#85
Can I point out that to this day, we don't know what make and model Oswald used.
truedelphi
Nov 2013
#179
It was filmed and photographed. It is Oswald's rifle and not a Mauser.
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#206
Who said you couldn't speak to the powers who think we can't handle the truth?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#40
We can speak, but we can't be heard. Money swears so loud there's no point. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#43
Still can't find a single post of mine where I've said anything of the sort?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#53
A third post with nothing to back up your fucking stupid assertion about me and my motivations.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#58
That article is quite misleading, omitting information, providing half-quotes, etc.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#210
It's a valid statement that is typically true much more often than not, but that does not
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#156
No. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be
grahamhgreen
Dec 2013
#352
I would agree if you add "to start your analysis". Occam didnt claim that the simpler
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#359
I'm not asking you to change my mind. I'm truly interested in the evidence you have.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#110
Wrong again. I clearly used the language to discuss the scientific aspect of a criminal
stopbush
Nov 2013
#211
No, wrong yet again. I was talking about scientific evidence. You changed the context
stopbush
Nov 2013
#215
You're consistently wrong because you are not allowing for words to have different meanings
stopbush
Nov 2013
#220
Well the reason words have different meanings is because they are used in different subjects.
zeemike
Nov 2013
#222
Holey shit....you mean impressions left by a needle inscribed on a disk is not a physical thing?
zeemike
Nov 2013
#229
They're not considered to be physical evidence in a legal sense. They're documentary evidence.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#231
Sadly, you're now displaying the kind of truculence that is typical of JFK CTists.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#244
Arrogance? Citing dictionary definitions and facts is arrogance? Insulting you?
stopbush
Nov 2013
#252
The pressure to advertise when Oswald was being transferred allowed Ruby to hit him
seveneyes
Nov 2013
#13
Give me a coherent theory, supported by actual evidence -- instead of a big steaming heap
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#15
It would be sufficient to create reasonable doubt if LHO were on trial: that is a simple matter
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#48
Except that we know it was Oswald who brought the gun to the TSBD and did the shooting.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#219
Your citing of the paraffin tests in your previous post is an excellent example
stopbush
Nov 2013
#243
The meaningless paraffin test was positive. For the palms of the hands. Not the backs.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#279
After the president was killed, LHO would see there was no point in talking about curtain rods. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#288
Of course any patsy recognizing he was the patsy would react in panic mode nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#291
A patsy recognizing that he's been manipulated into performing suspicious acts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#298
Yes, in panic mode he'd say "I'm just a patsy". Why would you think otherwise? nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#304
So far, all you've accused Oswald of doing is carrying curtain rods to work.
nyquil_man
Nov 2013
#307
Your assumption that Oswald would have no reason to deny bringing curtain rods
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#310
I don't know what really happened but the Warren Commission is a load of crap. n/t
bluetexas
Nov 2013
#24
Wow! It's a fact! Stop the presses! An anonymous internet poster reveals the truth! nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#33
Anyone who thinks there has never been any credible evidence proving Oswald didn't act alone...
MrMickeysMom
Nov 2013
#35
It's a fact that a conspiracy has not been proven, but that does not prove Oswald acted alone.
Martin Eden
Nov 2013
#149
The next thing you tell me is that the Gulf of Tonkin was merely a pretext for war.
SolutionisSolidarity
Nov 2013
#34
How many seconds did it take for Oswald to make those three shots?
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#107
Just like we're supposed to accept the inevitability of another Pres. Clinton...
polichick
Nov 2013
#126
Too bad, because I don't accept the "inevitability" of another Clinton presidency.
Raksha
Nov 2013
#193
They tell us Fredo died because he was a bad swimmer, too. After all, we weren't there, so...
valerief
Nov 2013
#131
It would be interesting to see how many people that do not believe in any conspiracy...?
kentuck
Nov 2013
#153
i think conspiracy theorists waste their time on bullshit but that is there choice to make
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#159
Lioness, your avatar seems a little ironic in the context of this post.
Gidney N Cloyd
Nov 2013
#196
its not a conspiracy that wars profit some people. there is nothing even hidden about it.
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#202
The second I saw Oswald being shot it pretty much cemented my feelings that he did not
appleannie1
Nov 2013
#160
"They are asking us to believe what we're told and to just get back in line."
absquatulatewithme
Nov 2013
#205
He deserved to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but that ended when he was killed.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#338
He was never convicted. The Warren Commission started with the assumption of guilt. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#342
Wrong. The WC started with the mandate to discover the truth, not matter where it led.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#344
Whatever its stated mandate, the Warren Report started with a hasty FBI report.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#345
Yes, the FBI issued a preliminary report within two weeks of the assassination.
stopbush
Dec 2013
#348
He did it, but not alone. Jack Ruby, was the key to the whole conspiracy theory. I beleive he
demosincebirth
Nov 2013
#230
For some reason, some DUers can't entertain the idea that the government would lie to the People.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#278
They argue that if you don't find the identity of the real killers then Oswald did it
Pitagoras
Dec 2013
#357