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meegbear

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Wed Dec 18, 2013, 03:33 PM Dec 2013

The Rude Pundit: Photos That Show That India Should Probably Shut the Fuck Up ... [View all]

When It Comes to the Treatment of Women



First the facts of the case: When Devyani Khobragade, India's Deputy Consul in New York, applied for a visa to come to the United States, she said she was bringing a nanny with her from India. And she agreed to pay her household worker the stipulated figure of $4500 a month, which was in line with New York City's minimum wage. Instead, she paid the nanny $573 for the month or $3.31 an hour. Khobragade paid her what she might have earned in India, where you can pay shit wages because, well, hell, talk to a bunch of U.S. companies about that. Unfortunately for Khobragade, she was in the United States, and you can be pretty sure that if an American went to India and tried to get American wages for domestic work, she'd be laughed at and then probably beaten.

So Khobragade was arrested and processed for violation of a couple of laws there, including lying on her visa application and, you know, paying $3.31 an hour. As part of being processed and jailed, she was strip-searched, which, yes, is problematic on many levels and barbaric for everyone arrested, American, Indian, or whoever. She was put in a cell with other prisoners, and she was swabbed for her DNA. No different than any other prisoner in New York City. She was bailed out within 2 hours of her arrest. Sure, spreading your ass cheeks under duress for strangers is an awful experience. But so is living on $573 a month in New York City.

Indian politicians and diplomats have gotten themselves all worked up about how Khobragade was treated "like a common criminal." Actually, India's lost its shit over this, especially because Khobragade kept yelling that she had "diplomatic immunity" to the U.S. Marshals who arrested and booked her. The Indian government is taking various punitive measures against our embassy and consulate workers, who, one should note, have not been accused of a crime. The Indian government removed security barriers at the embassy because allowing a car bomb to kill dozens of people would apparently be a fair trade-off for making an upper middle class Indian woman sit next to "drug addicts" for a couple of hours. There have been protests in the streets, probably the burning of an American flag or two, you know, the usual shit that sometimes we deserve and sometimes we don't. The protesters are saying that Khobragade's treatment was "an insult to all Indian women."

And that's where you lose the Rude Pundit, India. Because, see, that picture up there is from something that actually matters. It's a demonstration marking the one-year anniversary of the New Delhi gang rape and murder that so horrified the world and brought attention to just how fucked up are Indian attitudes towards women.

You wanna know what's an insult to women? "In Delhi, out of the 754 men arrested on rape charges last year, only one was convicted while the rest were facing pending investigations or trials." That's a fuckin' insult. The entire rape culture of India, while changing by baby steps since last year, is a fuckin' insult.

So between that and the sweatshops and the honor killings and the female feticide and the sexual exploitation and trafficking, you should just shut the fuck up about what degrades women, India.

And let's be honest here. If this had been some random poor woman, India wouldn't have given an elephant's fart's worth of concern. Indeed, in India, there's been more anger about Khobragade taking off her clothes than there has been at the actual charges. As Human Rights Watch reports, &quot M)any commentators have leapt to Khobragade’s defense, saying she could not be expected to pay her nanny US$4,500 per month, more than her Indian government salary."

Yeah, India, by all means, let's have a conversation about who is degrading whom.

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THANK YOU nt redqueen Dec 2013 #1
54K/year ($4500/month) is minimum wage in NYC? maxsolomon Dec 2013 #2
That is something I questioned too. It appears there are two laws/rules that come into play. The okaawhatever Dec 2013 #10
24/7 job? maybe it's not a 40 hour week? AllyCat Dec 2013 #19
May be a mistake in the article. gcomeau Dec 2013 #22
that's not unusual wage for nannies in NYC.. good ones anyway. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #24
Pretty sure the Nanny was expected to work 24/7 Marrah_G Dec 2013 #30
Wish I got paid to eat, sleep and shit joeglow3 Dec 2013 #36
Then you want to be a fireman. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #38
That's not what the post said. ctsnowman Dec 2013 #51
Excellent Rudie malaise Dec 2013 #3
I went to India once. Women there are (mostly) like mistreated pets. What can I say?? BlueJazz Dec 2013 #4
Worse, they're servants to their inlaws Warpy Dec 2013 #6
I asked 2 women when I was there about various things...like you speak of.. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #9
i was there once. might get to go back in march. mopinko Dec 2013 #56
EGGGXACTLY!!! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #5
Things I've been wondering about this case Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #7
she owns some property in india, including getting it through fraud with her father JI7 Dec 2013 #15
That answered exactly zero of the questions joeglow3 Dec 2013 #37
You'd lose the bet. India takes very good care of its upper caste. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #27
$4500 a month is minimum wage in New York? arikara Dec 2013 #8
Probably not based on an 8 hour day Whisp Dec 2013 #11
when you count overtime . i'm guessing this wasn't just some 9-5 type thing JI7 Dec 2013 #13
That's about norm for a live in position where one is on call 24/7 Kaleva Dec 2013 #33
Super K & R SoapBox Dec 2013 #12
it should be made clear that what she was doing was pretty much Slavery JI7 Dec 2013 #14
Screw the promised amount. What she actually paid is a crime. riqster Dec 2013 #16
Perhaps I misunderstand. The fact that the diplomats home country mistreats women, their diplomats pampango Dec 2013 #17
she was not mistreated , mistreated is what she did to the woman she didn't want to pay JI7 Dec 2013 #20
Please, a foreign national woman was involved. RC Dec 2013 #25
As stated in the fucking OP, there are obviously big problems with how we treat people redqueen Dec 2013 #28
Exactly! ctsnowman Dec 2013 #52
Can't we do the X-ray thing onlyadream Dec 2013 #18
Rude Pundit, you are one of the best voices calling out misogyny evar! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #21
The Rude One nails it. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #23
spot on, as usual.... mike_c Dec 2013 #26
Rude Pundit misses the point entirely as Fred Sanders Dec 2013 #29
No she didn't Marrah_G Dec 2013 #31
+1 nt Penicilino Dec 2013 #32
Maybe Not Leith Dec 2013 #34
She had limited diplomatic immunity that did not extend to this issue. stevenleser Dec 2013 #54
Diplomatic immunity leftynyc Dec 2013 #59
Bam! All the way to point! TRoN33 Dec 2013 #35
Dear India; lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #39
harsh - the status of women in a country should not exempt them from complaining Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #40
+1 nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #43
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Dec 2013 #41
The Rude Pundit fujiyama Dec 2013 #42
having slaves is not a non violent offense JI7 Dec 2013 #44
+1 XemaSab Dec 2013 #45
Exactly right: slavery is a form of violence. marble falls Dec 2013 #46
No, you really don't get it. redqueen Dec 2013 #55
The only issue involving her arrest is Did She Have Diplomatic Immunity? rpannier Dec 2013 #47
Wow Hekate Dec 2013 #48
The issue though atm isnt the treatment of women in india or if this women is or was a douchebag its cstanleytech Dec 2013 #49
Apparently she only had consular immunity. redqueen Dec 2013 #57
If thats true then hopefully this can be used to push for better treatment for more cstanleytech Dec 2013 #58
Hell yes, Rude. 99Forever Dec 2013 #50
Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #53
They should be protesting the low wages paid to the nanny, not the arrest. gtar100 Dec 2013 #60
So the strip search and body cavity search were justified? Is that the point here? Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #61
No, that's not the point. redqueen Dec 2013 #62
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