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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
28. The Combat Zone mentality has existed for years
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

In an interesting coincidence the wife and I were talking about the cops just last night. I told her about Anaheim California, where I spent some time growing up. The law in California was that the police were supposed to shoot to wound. That law was changed to Shoot to stop. In other words, as long as the guy was upright, or moving, you could keep shooting.

Three officers in Anaheim California chased a man on foot. Witnesses including those not wearing uniforms said that the man suddenly turned and reached inside his jacket. Three police officers opened fire, this was right after every department adopted the Beretta 9mm as the weapon of choice. They fired nearly twenty rounds of ammunition, killing the man.

Now, the law hadn't been changed for very long, a couple months. But these officers were already up to speed on what they could do, they could keep shooting until the man fell down. The old training of shoot to wound disappeared from their minds in a couple months.

That was in the 1980's, and things haven't gotten any better. In fact, they've gotten worse. The laws continue to change, and now you have to show that the cop is basically a psychopath before you can get him suspended with pay. Getting him charged, much less convicted of a serious crime is nearly impossible.

No threat to the police will be tolerated. No objection to their seemingly endless authority goes unanswered. The Beltway sniper killed far more people, in a far more "important" part of the nation than did Christopher Dorner. But the different responses were obvious. The Beltway Sniper was just targeting civilians. Dorner was hunting cops. In fact, while hunting Dorner they shot up a pickup truck that did not match the make, or model, or color of the one they were searching for. But hey, the cops have a dangerous job right? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2292637/Christopher-Dorner-Women-truck-shot-LAPD-officers-hunting-fugitive-refuse-replacement-asked-pay-tax-pose-publicity-photos-police.html

The manhunt for the Boston Bombers was not what you would call Civilized, but it went well overboard once a cop got killed. Then the rulebook went out the window, and it was full militarized police presence everywhere. Armored vehicles, turret gunners, and cops wearing more body armor than soldiers in Afghanistan storming the streets with automatic rifles. Holding citizens at gunpoint while houses were searched. This is for your protection, because if I'm not pointing a machine gun at you then you might say something or do something that would make me want to shoot you.

I've said it before today, I'll say it again. Fuck the police.

Don't cry for cops when they complain about their job. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #1
Damn. More and more we're looking like one of those third world countries. Th1onein Dec 2013 #2
We are a 3rd world country.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #8
+1 ReRe Dec 2013 #10
I think you are right, it really started with Raygun. zeemike Dec 2013 #14
I'd take it back to Nixon. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #18
I'd go back to McKinley and Roosevelt, they started all this by fighting back on the behalf Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #20
I think it maybe started with King Knut Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #25
I would not argue with that. zeemike Dec 2013 #22
Nixon's visit to china... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #40
And we had no idea at the time. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #41
I was born in 68... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #42
Ronnie swayed a lot of democrats. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #37
And we have slipped awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #39
du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #3
If they want this overkill gear, it should come out of their pensions. politichew Dec 2013 #4
I think it's being forced on them. Chertoff Group and others working to KoKo Dec 2013 #6
It has been just that, ever since Nixon Warpy Dec 2013 #9
That is absolutely what it does. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #19
The Combat Zone mentality has existed for years Savannahmann Dec 2013 #28
K/R Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #47
We the People are the terrorists, now. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #38
Wonder what they would do if protesters showed up in riot gear themselves? ReRe Dec 2013 #12
Sad. It looks like a still from a bad dystopian movie. malthaussen Dec 2013 #5
When will grandpamike1 Dec 2013 #7
"law abiding citizen" Phlem Dec 2013 #21
The Police State blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #11
What we don't see is the sickness, the combat ready killer instinct Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #13
It's alright, totally not a police state though. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15
'To protect and serve' seems to have been kicked to the curb azurnoir Dec 2013 #16
Police urge protesters to remain peaceful cvoogt Dec 2013 #17
It is almost laughable, because they are the only people initiating violence Taitertots Dec 2013 #26
The pork is inciting violence. PM Martin Dec 2013 #51
They look remarkably like the cops in Soylent Green HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #23
The cops are a bunch of chickenshits all geared up JEB Dec 2013 #24
I think that's the "Mind Set" that's being recruited...but ..there are still KoKo Dec 2013 #33
I live in North Raleigh which is close to Durham. A little further south, mmonk Dec 2013 #27
I'm so sorry to hear KoKo Dec 2013 #30
The thing is she is small, wouldn't hurt a fly, and will be 56 in January. mmonk Dec 2013 #31
"Justice for all", I think not. K&R...................nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #29
Add in a couple of drones, throw in some flashbangs, think of the live tracking BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #32
All this for 150 sad people armed with hot wax... Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #34
Kick...I think our local Police looking like some Riot Police from STASI Days KoKo Dec 2013 #35
Hmmmm. bvar22 Dec 2013 #45
K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #36
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #43
What we really need instead of all these helmets and padding... gulliver Dec 2013 #44
There's an unequal weighting between these Officers KoKo Dec 2013 #46
It's just appearance. gulliver Dec 2013 #48
You think a "bottle or a rock" is equivalent to Police Intimidation KoKo Dec 2013 #49
kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #50
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