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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
68. And
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:03 AM
Dec 2013
Sorry Pro, but until EVERYONE has health care then it's a failed system...

The ACA helps some, but there will still be millions who's only health care is prayer and hope. Millions just hoping the pain in their chest isn't a heart attack, millions hoping the lump in their breast isn't cancer, millions practicing do-it-yourself internet medicine because that's all they can do, and who knows maybe snorting Windex really does cure Pneumonia.

Health CARE

Not insurance. Care. And it's freaking ludicrous that here, in the wealthiest nation in history, we have people dying because they cannot afford to see a doctor.

...because of Obamacare, there will tens of millions who no longer fall into that category.



The Week in Review

The government shutdown dragged into a second week. A growing majority of Democrats and about 20 Republicans in the House favor a Senate-passed resolution to reopen the government, but Speaker John Boehner refused to bring the resolution up for a vote. When House Republicans first forced a shutdown on Oct. 1, they were demanding the defunding of Obamacare as part of any deal. That would be a death sentence for thousands of Americans without health insurance, Sen. Bernie Sanders told a Senate hearing on Thursday. As the week wore on, Republicans shifted their rationale for closing the government and defaulting on the country’s debts. Now they demand deep cuts in Social Security and other programs. The whole spectacle drove public approval of Congress, especially Republicans and the Tea Party, to new lows. As Sanders sized up the situation in a Friday floor speech, he began by citing a piece in The Onion. “Psychiatrists Deeply Concerned for 5% of Americans Who Approve of Congress,” the headline said.

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Obamacare “How many people will die if the Affordable Care Act is repealed?” Sanders asked at a hearing he chaired Thursday on what would happen if Obamacare is repealed. The hearing came on the 10th day of a government shutdown forced by House Republicans insisting that any deal to reopen the government defund the health care law. Watch excerpts from the hearing, Read Greg Kaufmann’s piece in The Nation

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http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/the-week-in-review-101113


This Week in Poverty: What ‘Defunding Obamacare’ Really Means

Greg Kaufmann

When the fate of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was in question, independent Senator Bernie Sanders was no easy “yea” vote.

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In the end, Sanders helped to pass the ACA—legislation that Republicans are now so desperate to repeal that they have shut down the government and put the full faith and credit of the US in jeopardy...He noted that “we are (still) the only country in the industrialized world that doesn’t guarantee healthcare to people as a right.” As a result, there are 48 million Americans without health insurance. Under the ACA, 20 million currently uninsured people will finally receive coverage (more if GOP governors get out of the way) and thousands of lives will be saved every year...Sanders pointed to a Harvard study that estimates 45,000 people are dying each year from illnesses that arise due to a lack of health insurance....“For all of those folks saying we have to repeal the Affordable Care Act, what they are doing is passing a death sentence on many of our fellow Americans.”

Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, a nonprofit organization that advocates for affordable healthcare for all Americans... used a “conservative” methodology—designed by the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine—to determine how many people between the ages of 25 and 64 died in 2010 due to a lack of health insurance.

“We found that approximately 26,100 people between the ages of 25 and 64 died prematurely due to a lack of health coverage that year,” said Pollack...this breaks down to 2,175 people dying every month, 502 every week, and seventy-two every day...between 2005 and 2010, it added up to 134,000 preventable deaths...That’s a number that resonates with Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who shared his personal experience with health being determined by coverage.

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“These deaths occur invisibly,” he said. “They occur one at a time, all over the place, and it doesn’t say in the obituary ‘died because of no healthcare.’ If it happened all in one town, at one time, we would be moving heaven and earth to solve this problem, if we lost anywhere from 26,000 to 45,000 (people) a year. If we lost the town of Augusta in one year, and the next year it was someplace in Colorado, or Vermont, this society would have dealt with this many, many years ago.”

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http://www.thenation.com/blog/176599/week-poverty-what-defunding-obamacare-really-means

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What a great idea! Kaleva Dec 2013 #1
We should give the program a nice catchy name Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #89
giving homeless people homes is just fucking crazy. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #2
U forgot the sarcasm smiley.. By definition if someone has a home then they are not homeless. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #5
DU: where sarcasm crawled up its own bunghole and died. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #6
I love the smell of poor spelling and grammar in the evening... geckosfeet Dec 2013 #10
It started with Shakespeare and it's gotten worse ever since. Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #90
Do we still have Duzys? Because that's definitely one of them! Squinch Dec 2013 #81
But... But.. Bootstraps.. and Work Ethic... and Free rides... and.. SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #3
What is Phil Robertsons take on the homeless? tina tron Dec 2013 #15
Remember it is the Republicans yeoman6987 Dec 2013 #41
His son claims they took in many homeless when he was a boy marshall Dec 2013 #44
you forgot tazkcmo Dec 2013 #28
more likely to get a job if they have an address and a phone demigoddess Dec 2013 #54
...and Freedum....and... lastlib Dec 2013 #61
K&R demmiblue Dec 2013 #4
Republican State Gives Free Houses to Moochers, Cuts Homelessness by 74 Percent ProSense Dec 2013 #7
They should do this in Detroit n/t passiveporcupine Dec 2013 #36
I was just thinking that. We have 20,000 in that city alone. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #59
The same should apply to food and healthcare... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #8
That is my belief etherealtruth Dec 2013 #9
+100000 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #16
Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #17
Sorry Pro, but until EVERYONE has health care then it's a failed system... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #30
Yes but there are degrees of failure and success CreekDog Dec 2013 #35
I do, because mandates are an evil I will never support. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #38
So you want everyone added to Medicaid thrown off CreekDog Dec 2013 #46
I want health CARE for all, such as with a NHS type system. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #60
Yes but you want ACA repealed and... CreekDog Dec 2013 #63
The ACA cannot be repealed without Congress... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #80
Thank you for explaining that and telling your story CreekDog Dec 2013 #94
I think we need to move away from the "buying in" mindset... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #95
I don't disagree, but the ACA was a big improvement in many ways groundloop Dec 2013 #65
And ProSense Dec 2013 #68
The Medicaid expansion would not apply to the homeless. former9thward Dec 2013 #64
Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #67
I do know what I am talking about. former9thward Dec 2013 #69
No, you don't ProSense Dec 2013 #73
I post from official sources. former9thward Dec 2013 #74
Do you have "official sources" ProSense Dec 2013 #78
Absolutely shanti Dec 2013 #34
Yes. Completely agree. (nt) gtar100 Dec 2013 #49
Add education and justice and it just might hang together. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #83
Yes, and I am embarassed I failed to list them. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #84
I'm not sure how far it will go, but it won't come to WI with this legislature. HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #11
Scotty is an evil flunky of the Koch Brothers David and Charles warrant46 Dec 2013 #23
The only way this will sink in with economic conservatives is with the value of the dollar Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #12
If you have not been homeless Diego_Native 2012 Dec 2013 #13
Access to basic human needs is a fundamental right tina tron Dec 2013 #19
It would be illegal to treat a dog the way we treat the homeless DBoon Dec 2013 #45
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #50
FDR agreed. bvar22 Dec 2013 #82
I can so relate to everything you said, bvar22. Raksha Dec 2013 #85
Thank You for the kind words. bvar22 Dec 2013 #91
+1000 Please consider reposting as an OP LongTomH Dec 2013 #86
And without all of those things your chance of getting a job is nil. zeemike Dec 2013 #24
I was (somewhat) homeless for a month.... groundloop Dec 2013 #27
I am still fighting with that delima Left Coast2020 Dec 2013 #52
^^^^^^This^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2013 #32
+1 .. Welcome to DU annabanana Dec 2013 #88
This paradigm proved successful when in was introduced in Washington State Aristus Dec 2013 #14
+ 1 russspeakeasy Dec 2013 #39
I remember that.. conservative radio called the housing wino hotels, or something. It is logical and freshwest Dec 2013 #47
It actually started in 15 years before that in NYC by a non-profit Major Nikon Dec 2013 #71
But . . . giving people stuff just makes them dependent! tclambert Dec 2013 #18
this sounds like socialism, communism, fascism, and atheism NewJeffCT Dec 2013 #20
Leave it to them Mormons to break it down to a business proposition legcramp Dec 2013 #21
If only everyone would do this yeoman6987 Dec 2013 #42
If Obama was all over this and trying to promote it, we know what the result would be. madinmaryland Dec 2013 #43
...but we already have that, bvar22 Dec 2013 #92
"Do you think the Right Wing could get any MORE crazy?" Yes and Fuck Yes. madinmaryland Dec 2013 #93
? Democrats did this here in 2007. Utah is following our lead: freshwest Dec 2013 #48
I have always found Utah to be a strange state. It has some of the most developed bluestate10 Dec 2013 #22
Simple, practical economics Turbineguy Dec 2013 #25
I hope it manages to get to NM Warpy Dec 2013 #26
Well, that's just creating another class of "poor" people . . . ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #29
These apartments will be privately owned, rents collected for profit, not some Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #62
Used to work in the administration of a city homeless shelter. Utah has the right approach. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #31
Huge K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #33
Works for me. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #37
K & R for common sense. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #40
That is great news and so unexpected these days. nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #51
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2013 #53
It has been known for some time quaker bill Dec 2013 #55
It always seemed to me that, in "Red States", they jump to the opportunity King_Klonopin Dec 2013 #56
See? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #57
But these homeless people don't "deserve" something they didn't work for. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #58
Proving that all the food and shelters nilesobek Dec 2013 #66
I hope Governor Brown is reading this. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #70
That's for damn sure. I live in San Bernardino, where it's really bad. Raksha Dec 2013 #87
Food, Shelter and Clothing should be provided to anyone who can't get that for themselves. harun Dec 2013 #72
UTAH???? a holiday miracle, indeed. I have been advocating for the same thing in my oh-so-red niyad Dec 2013 #75
when I first saw the title, I assumed that when I read it, it would say that utah was simply sending niyad Dec 2013 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #77
k&r for good government. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #79
Phoenix Becomes First City To End Chronic Homelessness Among Veterans ProSense Dec 2013 #96
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