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Deep13

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87. I'm of two minds on this.

Reply to Boudica the Lyoness (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 02:32 PM

Dec 2013

One is that one should not expect others to bear the cost of one's religious beliefs. If those employees want to abstain from booze consumption, they are free to do so, but they cannot expect others to modify their own cultural norms to do so. The case is admittedly a lot more compelling in the case of American pharmacists who are against birth control. The customer must bear the heavy responsibility for the pharmacist's sanctimonious beliefs.

On the other hand, I don't think commercial values should necessarily be the default norm. Humans are not merely robots just because they are working for someone else. Bosses should not be able to insist that workers give up all their personal beliefs and values just because they are working for a company that only values profit. Frankly, when I worked retail, I died a little inside everytime I sold someone cigarettes.

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Muslim staff can discriminate based on their religious beliefs. [View all] Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 OP

I agree etherealtruth Dec 2013 #1

So you don't mind being discriminated against my staff in a grocery store? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #3

What? Surely, you jest ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #15

And it is your right to not work for a bar that allows smoking joeglow3 Dec 2013 #247

How does my logic change? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #250

Waiting .... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #255

Would you support their right to discriminate against gay customers? Hugabear Dec 2013 #111

What in the world are you talking about etherealtruth Dec 2013 #113

If it makes you feel any better drm604 Dec 2013 #154

Well, it was unclear enough for two people to not understand my intent. etherealtruth Dec 2013 #155

I think the ambiguity was because a word was missing. pnwmom Dec 2013 #194

Yep etherealtruth Dec 2013 #202

I'm still thinking WTF. Your writing seems clear to me. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #219

thanks. My personal rule for this kind of communication etherealtruth Dec 2013 #243

Your post was perfectly clear. I am constantly amazed at how often people tblue37 Dec 2013 #275

Thanks etherealtruth Dec 2013 #279

I notice that those who jumped on you didn't bother to apologize--or to respond at all-- tblue37 Dec 2013 #284

That is par for the course etherealtruth Dec 2013 #285

This is the inevitable result of giving one religious group that privilege. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #2

This is the UK Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #5

Right, but you understand my point? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #8

Yes, but I don't like it. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #10

I agree. We shouldn't allow this type of thing. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #11

There's no "we" involved. Igel Dec 2013 #77

we used to shop at the hippy dippy grocer and I had a vegan refuse to serve me meat NightWatcher Dec 2013 #4

That was one little store Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #7

Why the hell was she working in a deli? Orrex Dec 2013 #16

they sell all kinds of veggie tempeh tofu... dishes NightWatcher Dec 2013 #18

She "couldn't touch meat" because she was a vegan? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #125

Well if she was vegan for moral reasons, it makes perfect sense. Ash_F Dec 2013 #199

They put a vegan in the DELI? jmowreader Dec 2013 #204

Probably she was covering for a regular Ash_F Dec 2013 #294

How the fuck does this work. edhopper Dec 2013 #6

They should have a no pork or liqueur line. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #9

Excuse me customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #74

I agree. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #88

Yet another to add to my WTF list for today. It makes absolutely no sense at all, if the RKP5637 Dec 2013 #12

The fundamentalist nutjob is always right. I guess they don't need stuff like customers nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #13

+1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #52

+1. freshwest Dec 2013 #168

Religion, the great divider of mankind ... throughout history has caused more grief and suffering.nt RKP5637 Dec 2013 #14

^This^ Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #35

That's beyond messed-up. Codeine Dec 2013 #17

Ridiculous. Why go to a free society and try to impose your own fundie nutbag ideologies? Dash87 Dec 2013 #19

Because your book tells you to. It's the inevitable consequence of believing Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #23

That is called multiculturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #40

Multiculturalism is the acceptance of the good in all cultures. Bowing to fundies is different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70

According to the article, the customer is asked to wait while they get another cbayer Dec 2013 #20

Why not accommodate a racist's convictions? PassingFair Dec 2013 #22

Are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #24

A belief is a belief. PassingFair Dec 2013 #28

Again, I ask this - are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #32

SOME courts agree with that. Courts in more "religious" states do NOT. PassingFair Dec 2013 #48

29 States allow open discrimination in not just services but in housing and employment Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #235

these are not exactly the same as pork/alcholol La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #142

I agree. There has to be some reason here although when you're talking about religion there liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #173

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #248

Some people's religious beliefs are bigoted--like the Duck Dynasty guy. MADem Dec 2013 #58

That's true, but that wasn't my question. cbayer Dec 2013 #64

IF a religion demands that someone is a second class citizen DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #118

I can not disagree that there are aspects of religion or ways that cbayer Dec 2013 #119

The creed doe not matter DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #122

The store is not refusing to sell anything to anyone. cbayer Dec 2013 #128

I think Marks-n-Sparks needs to modify their employment application. MADem Dec 2013 #167

I don't know if you found this OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #197

My experience of queuing in the UK was different... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #221

LOL OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #293

I've queued in M/S and in Woolworth's on the odd High Street, and MADem Dec 2013 #296

Definitely true by my experience OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #298

I've lived in the Middle East and gone to some of the most holy sites in (shi'a) Islam. MADem Dec 2013 #300

I'm the same way, I don't mind what other people believe - OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #301

Well, they're Muslims, see? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #95

I guess I've managed to avoid most of these discussions, cbayer Dec 2013 #99

I would really be surprised if they were Scootaloo Dec 2013 #100

Sadly.... RFKHumphreyObama Dec 2013 #115

"Where it comes to Islam, DU is as much of an ignorant hate site as FreeRepublic." you are so right Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #120

I have found this thread fairly shocking. cbayer Dec 2013 #130

sadly I have to say DU Admin has long been extremely tolerant of anti-Muslim bigotry and things have Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #131

I think its broader than that, though I can see the problem in this thread. cbayer Dec 2013 #135

Sometimes I wonder if a new poster who is progressive and a person of faith really feels welcome hrmjustin Dec 2013 #149

unfortunately you are quite correct. Even if a person doesn't hold to any belief system - it is Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #159

Agreed. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #160

Others see only one's actions, not the 'belief' or 'faith' another might claim. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #236

"Most people of faith are bigots". Wow talk about a broad brush. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #237

Hi Douglas. I totally agree with you and have noticed things are getting worse, not better n/t Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #166

a lot worse ... DU Admin doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with even the most hateful Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #185

It violates state law in USA for someone under 21 to ring up alcohol. MADem Dec 2013 #187

If Marks and Spencer's finds a way to accommodate the sensitivities of some of the staff while Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #193

They're doing it by inconveniencing the customers, apparently. MADem Dec 2013 #195

so far there has been no evidence of customers complaining of inconvenience - there are many people Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #200

Did you read the Daily Mail comments? smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #271

Do you know who reads the Daily Mail? cbayer Dec 2013 #273

Some states. It's perfectly legal in California. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #216

That's silly. It's no different than the Catholic pharmacist refusing to hand the MADem Dec 2013 #169

It's absolutely not the same. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #176

So you're saying that the pharmacist can't call over another pharmacist to do his dirty work? MADem Dec 2013 #180

I'm familiar with the anti-choice pharmacists in the US... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #211

Delay or deny, the end result is that the customer is disaccommoded. MADem Dec 2013 #258

But that's not M&S's policy... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #262

"With no delays or inconveniences...." MADem Dec 2013 #295

I'm saying that they don't do so, and your example acknowledges that reality Scootaloo Dec 2013 #213

They can be ordered to, but the customer is still affected. MADem Dec 2013 #252

I have been reading the Religion forum for a long while now, ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #179

If you live in many countries, Scientology is not recognized as a religion. MADem Dec 2013 #181

Yes, Scientology faces a lot of bigotry around the world. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #182

Well, I think it's a cult, myself. I am not alone in that, either. MADem Dec 2013 #183

Thank you for providing an example of Scientology bigotry on DU. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #184

My view of the cult is based on their published dicta. I merely applied basic reasoning skills. nt MADem Dec 2013 #186

Some atheists, usually called "new atheists," ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #188

Whatever floats your boat. nt MADem Dec 2013 #191

Any criticism is seen as "bigotry" to religions zealots alarimer Dec 2013 #233

Sure, but some is bigotry. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #256

No get the red out Dec 2013 #226

LOL..... Logical Dec 2013 #170

In many cases (although not this one) yes, absolutely. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #206

OB-GYN should choose a different job??? onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #228

I would absolutely equate the two...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #223

Because selling pork or booze has nothing to do with their silly-ass Bronze age nonsense. Codeine Dec 2013 #26

Well that's your opinion. cbayer Dec 2013 #30

Having to leave the line I've patiently waited in Codeine Dec 2013 #43

In the only example they actually give, the customer was cbayer Dec 2013 #50

My descriptors would be no less disparaging Codeine Dec 2013 #59

The assumption being made is that this is causing an inconvenience. cbayer Dec 2013 #66

But why is this suddenly a problem CJCRANE Dec 2013 #46

These products are sold in many muslim majority countries? cbayer Dec 2013 #51

Read the comments at the link. Lots of people chipping in about this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #55

Some of the comments are frankly disgusting, but cbayer Dec 2013 #69

It's kind of a vicious circle...religious fundamentalism elicits a reaction which then increases the CJCRANE Dec 2013 #72

I think it's important to make a distinction that defines extremism cbayer Dec 2013 #76

Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey.... MADem Dec 2013 #189

"There is a massive problem with discrimination against Muslims in the UK" brentspeak Dec 2013 #104

Are you not aware of the violence that has been perpetrated against cbayer Dec 2013 #106

"I doubt that the Marks & Spencer management is stupid" brentspeak Dec 2013 #108

We shall see, but I wouldn't bet on it. cbayer Dec 2013 #109

I know it's not M&S that are stupid... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #214

The Daily Mail's headline and subheadline are highly misleading muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #259

What about the non-fundamentalist muslims who want to buy a beer? CJCRANE Dec 2013 #136

No one is preventing them from buying a beer. cbayer Dec 2013 #139

It's a thin pose. If one's wages are a portion of profits from selling intoxicants Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #240

No edhopper Dec 2013 #27

That's not what it says in the text of the article, so I think cbayer Dec 2013 #31

It does say that. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #33

I would guess that the store is quite sensitive to this issue cbayer Dec 2013 #41

An OB-GYN who refuses to dispense birth control should not be licensed. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44

I didn't ask about birth control. I asked about abortions. cbayer Dec 2013 #47

No, this is not Islam, it's childish fundamentalism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #65

From what I understand there is a prohibition against selling intoxicants. cbayer Dec 2013 #67

One of the best places in the middle east for good 'abejo' used to be Iran. MADem Dec 2013 #302

Quote from the article. edhopper Dec 2013 #36

However, the one example they give is of a customer being told that they cbayer Dec 2013 #45

First you say there is nothing wrong with what M&S are doing edhopper Dec 2013 #49

Agreeing with the policy of the store and seeing the article cbayer Dec 2013 #54

CBayer - would you be okay with this situation happening? Dash87 Dec 2013 #80

I have posted about this before and I recognize that I am not in the majority cbayer Dec 2013 #84

Fair enough, but I think your last point is a little different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #91

What if your store is in a high crime district where pharmacies that have cbayer Dec 2013 #94

It is not your job to enforce drug laws. If there's a prescription mill, call the DEA. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #133

Not sure what you mean by this. cbayer Dec 2013 #137

Okay, exactly. State licensing. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #138

Do you think an OB-GYN who has a personal position about abortion should be forced cbayer Dec 2013 #141

It depends on whether performing abortions is central to their state-licensed function. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #144

There is leeway in licensing that permits people to not do certain things cbayer Dec 2013 #147

The draft is not voluntary. Becoming a pharmacist is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #150

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on this. cbayer Dec 2013 #153

I still don't understand this, you think people have the right to NOT do their job because of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #254

I think that if a conscientious objection is valid and can be cbayer Dec 2013 #263

Conscientious objection only makes sense if you are asked to do something unlawful... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #268

No, conscientious objection is much more than that. cbayer Dec 2013 #269

I'm sorry, this is just a bullshit argument, I work with pharmacists every day, and frankly... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #251

Do you think that an OB-Gyn who personally objects to abortions cbayer Dec 2013 #264

If they are hired in an office that performs them, and was aware that they may have... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #267

Almost everyone, including licensing boards and professional cbayer Dec 2013 #270

I didn't mention the OP's subject, I will say its stupid, and apparently an exaggeration by the... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #272

What an Ob-Gyn does or does not do is generally up to them as individuals. cbayer Dec 2013 #274

So now you agree with me? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #276

I don't think I have disagreed with you. cbayer Dec 2013 #281

Actually, there have been issues at chains such as CVS with pharmacists refusing... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #283

I'm not sure it should be codified, but I don't know enough cbayer Dec 2013 #286

Solutions to a problem that is wholly created by the intractable anti-choice... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #287

Birth control--of the PLAN B variety--is an OTC medication. MADem Dec 2013 #163

Pharmacies are licensed by the state to dispense medication. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #132

I am flabbergasted... Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #89

No, that's not what I said at all. cbayer Dec 2013 #93

This is what you wrote; Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #98

How does it humiliate the customer? cbayer Dec 2013 #101

So what if the anti choice OB-GYN refuses, and the only alternative is an observant Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #241

A few thoughts on this question. cbayer Dec 2013 #242

I agree. rucky Dec 2013 #201

Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are always making things difficult for the average person. nt politichew Dec 2013 #21

Fundamentalists = superstitious dullards with no place in modern society. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #29

There was a hindu man at my old grocery store who had an easy solution Marrah_G Dec 2013 #25

If I had to work at a store that sold meat Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #90

My ex-husband is a Muslim etherealtruth Dec 2013 #134

No till operator would be touching the meat itself anyway muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #260

Never seen alcohol sold by Marks and Sparks not in a bottle or can either. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #277

I bought some today muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #282

I missed out "not" in that post.......doh. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #291

Ah yes - I thought it was a strange thing to say! muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #292

Who are we to judge? jessie04 Dec 2013 #34

Why not? They offend me every fucking day with their goofy-ass Skydaddy tripe. Codeine Dec 2013 #37

Sure edhopper Dec 2013 #42

Bullshit RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #78

It's arrogant to expect as a customer to get rung up by a person hired to ring me up? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #81

Slick move, and you got three DUers to jump. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #83

I'm new here, but I can tell what they are up to. delta17 Dec 2013 #102

Wow, you are clever! And arrogant it sounds! nt Logical Dec 2013 #171

No, JihadWatch Jessie is just that transparent. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #177

Thanks for the warm welcome. nt delta17 Dec 2013 #207

Ignore them. They were incredibly nasty to you... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #220

Thanks! delta17 Dec 2013 #234

lol Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #92

Isn't this clearly a two-way street? tritsofme Dec 2013 #114

I bet you don't say that for the fundies to Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #157

Another strong argument for Oppressive Religion. 99Forever Dec 2013 #38

This holier-than-thou behavior is getting a little over the top. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #39

It's UK, not us, but I think it's horseshit. MADem Dec 2013 #53

"Will your religion cause you to discriminate against our customers in any way?" Zorra Dec 2013 #56

Yes, I think the customers have cause to say they are being discriminated against, especially if the freshwest Dec 2013 #172

I agree. It's getting way out of hand. Zorra Dec 2013 #246

I don't think you understand multi- culturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #261

Let's see...I'm female -check- dark skinned multiethnic -check- LGBT - check Zorra Dec 2013 #297

I don't think someone could ask that of a potential employee RainDog Dec 2013 #299

I would leave all my groceries on the conveyor belt and /or in the cart and walk out. left is right Dec 2013 #57

As would I. RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #79

Yup, this. appal_jack Dec 2013 #96

So now are they LiberalElite Dec 2013 #60

sounds more like you won't know edhopper Dec 2013 #61

Then what I'd do is - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #62

The policy invites - nearly requires, actually - profiling based on appearance. Codeine Dec 2013 #68

I do think M&S has gotten onto a slippery slope - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #71

The problem is, what if they have 10 tills open one day and 8 Muslims working that shift. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #278

As Long as it doesn't JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #63

I buy Hebrew National hot dogs for just that reason. dionysus Dec 2013 #148

Hey now! JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #222

i live in the home of Zweigles... love me some red and white pop-opens... BUT dionysus Dec 2013 #238

My first boss out of Unversity JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #288

holy cow, i pass by that Wahls in Avon every time i go golfing at Farview!!!!! dionysus Dec 2013 #303

It's not really a big deal LittleBlue Dec 2013 #73

I would walk the fuck out of that store and never return. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #75

No coercion involved. Everyone has choice here. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #85

Probably because of their clientele. Igel Dec 2013 #86

I'm of two minds on this. Deep13 Dec 2013 #87

They can't even sell it? treestar Dec 2013 #97

Considering most of the small liquor stores in my area Codeine Dec 2013 #103

Why do they keep giving in to this insanity? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #105

That's a bit over the top. Codeine Dec 2013 #107

That's true. jessie04 Dec 2013 #110

You're silly and you should go away. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #112

lol... I haven't figured that poster out yet. penultimate Dec 2013 #127

I have... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #165

Business has the right to refuse to sell their products to anyone Rex Dec 2013 #116

I know it! Will their collective alcoholism ever end?! nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #158

A Mr. Duke of Louisiana called. He wants his talking points back. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #178

Talking points, right. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #209

Sinister, really? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #210

Yeah, I want to hear more about this sinister stuff that's going on in the UK as well... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #212

Guh, SPOILERS! n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #215

Oops, sorry. But I did leave out some of them... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #217

Yeah, really. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #232

World history in a nutshell: New people came, things changed. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #257

Oh, ok. No problem then. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #289

Oh, I'm well aware of Malmo Scootaloo Dec 2013 #290

Prolly a non-starter article... Marks and Spencer typically has a separate checkout for their food JCMach1 Dec 2013 #117

I don't see this as a big deal. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author penultimate Dec 2013 #124

If you are worried that your God will hate you for selling alcohol or pork products, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #123

There may be some inconveniences if they don't make it apparent where they penultimate Dec 2013 #126

If your religion interferes with your ability to perform your job, either get a different job Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #129

you know that's illegal, right. if its a non-essential part of your job, your organization La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #143

I don't see how selling products that a store has for sale, is not an essential part Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #146

a store sells a milllion products, of which you can't touch two, and neither La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #152

that's reasonable accommodation based on sincerely held religious beliefs La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #140

Do you really think it's going to stop there? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #161

Why is it any of yr business? Do you run M&S? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #218

The thing is: we don't know how many muslim cashiers actually choose to do this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #145

It actually makes the issue worse Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #162

No kidding, if you can't do the job, work elsewhere Warpy Dec 2013 #151

Ridiculous. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #156

I see the Daily Mail is still peddling its Islamophobic bullshit. But why are you peddling it here? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #164

Plenty of other links for this story. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #175

do they refuse paychecks because it's made up of alcohol and pork that has been sold ? JI7 Dec 2013 #174

This is the Daily Mail, 'nuff said LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #190

They've got a sensationalised headline done to appeal to people who hate Muslims... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #208

Here in Germany most Turkish restaurants serve alcohol DFW Dec 2013 #192

Its odd Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #196

What I don't get is OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #198

religion LOL n/t KG Dec 2013 #203

Daily Mail nonsense Nine Dec 2013 #205

This is incredibly WRONG get the red out Dec 2013 #224

I sounds like it was a misunderstanding between the corporate office and the store davidpdx Dec 2013 #225

I worked in a factory onlyadream Dec 2013 #227

I'm a cashier nilesobek Dec 2013 #229

but not doing your job KatyMan Dec 2013 #231

Oh wow!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #230

If I waited in line for 10-15 minutes only to finally reach the register and then be told Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #239

I have to wait for a different cashier almost every time I buy wine at the grocery store. Nine Dec 2013 #244

Daily Mail - tempest in a teacup. GoneOffShore Dec 2013 #245

Here's a more reliable, less sensationalized version of the story LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #249

This would be great infromation as an OP etherealtruth Dec 2013 #265

If Marks & Spencer had a specified Halal area and separate check-out - I wouldn't have an issue. haele Dec 2013 #253

Terrible precedent... Hope they get a backlash... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #266

Maybe they shouldn't be working there if they don't want to do their job. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #280