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etherealtruth

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113. What in the world are you talking about

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 04:38 PM

Dec 2013

i guess my post really wasn't clear

I agreed with the last lines of the OP which read: It reminds me of the fundie pharmacists in the US, but worse. A person shouldn't work for a company that sells alcohol and pork products, if they find it so offensive.

I guess I understand the mis-understanding with what I was agreeing with.

Since you are the second poster not to interpret the body of my post as intended: "if it is your belief do not work for a company that goes against your beliefs. I understand jobs are often difficult to find; however, if you can't fulfill the job duties.. "

I thought it was clear that I do not agree with special allowances for workers that are against lawful activities ... I will try again ... My opinion: if your beliefs or values do not allow you to carry out the functions of your job ... you should not have that job.

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Muslim staff can discriminate based on their religious beliefs. [View all] Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 OP

I agree etherealtruth Dec 2013 #1

So you don't mind being discriminated against my staff in a grocery store? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #3

What? Surely, you jest ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #15

And it is your right to not work for a bar that allows smoking joeglow3 Dec 2013 #247

How does my logic change? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #250

Waiting .... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #255

Would you support their right to discriminate against gay customers? Hugabear Dec 2013 #111

What in the world are you talking about etherealtruth Dec 2013 #113

If it makes you feel any better drm604 Dec 2013 #154

Well, it was unclear enough for two people to not understand my intent. etherealtruth Dec 2013 #155

I think the ambiguity was because a word was missing. pnwmom Dec 2013 #194

Yep etherealtruth Dec 2013 #202

I'm still thinking WTF. Your writing seems clear to me. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #219

thanks. My personal rule for this kind of communication etherealtruth Dec 2013 #243

Your post was perfectly clear. I am constantly amazed at how often people tblue37 Dec 2013 #275

Thanks etherealtruth Dec 2013 #279

I notice that those who jumped on you didn't bother to apologize--or to respond at all-- tblue37 Dec 2013 #284

That is par for the course etherealtruth Dec 2013 #285

This is the inevitable result of giving one religious group that privilege. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #2

This is the UK Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #5

Right, but you understand my point? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #8

Yes, but I don't like it. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #10

I agree. We shouldn't allow this type of thing. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #11

There's no "we" involved. Igel Dec 2013 #77

we used to shop at the hippy dippy grocer and I had a vegan refuse to serve me meat NightWatcher Dec 2013 #4

That was one little store Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #7

Why the hell was she working in a deli? Orrex Dec 2013 #16

they sell all kinds of veggie tempeh tofu... dishes NightWatcher Dec 2013 #18

She "couldn't touch meat" because she was a vegan? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #125

Well if she was vegan for moral reasons, it makes perfect sense. Ash_F Dec 2013 #199

They put a vegan in the DELI? jmowreader Dec 2013 #204

Probably she was covering for a regular Ash_F Dec 2013 #294

How the fuck does this work. edhopper Dec 2013 #6

They should have a no pork or liqueur line. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #9

Excuse me customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #74

I agree. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #88

Yet another to add to my WTF list for today. It makes absolutely no sense at all, if the RKP5637 Dec 2013 #12

The fundamentalist nutjob is always right. I guess they don't need stuff like customers nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #13

+1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #52

+1. freshwest Dec 2013 #168

Religion, the great divider of mankind ... throughout history has caused more grief and suffering.nt RKP5637 Dec 2013 #14

^This^ Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #35

That's beyond messed-up. Codeine Dec 2013 #17

Ridiculous. Why go to a free society and try to impose your own fundie nutbag ideologies? Dash87 Dec 2013 #19

Because your book tells you to. It's the inevitable consequence of believing Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #23

That is called multiculturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #40

Multiculturalism is the acceptance of the good in all cultures. Bowing to fundies is different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70

According to the article, the customer is asked to wait while they get another cbayer Dec 2013 #20

Why not accommodate a racist's convictions? PassingFair Dec 2013 #22

Are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #24

A belief is a belief. PassingFair Dec 2013 #28

Again, I ask this - are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #32

SOME courts agree with that. Courts in more "religious" states do NOT. PassingFair Dec 2013 #48

29 States allow open discrimination in not just services but in housing and employment Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #235

these are not exactly the same as pork/alcholol La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #142

I agree. There has to be some reason here although when you're talking about religion there liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #173

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #248

Some people's religious beliefs are bigoted--like the Duck Dynasty guy. MADem Dec 2013 #58

That's true, but that wasn't my question. cbayer Dec 2013 #64

IF a religion demands that someone is a second class citizen DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #118

I can not disagree that there are aspects of religion or ways that cbayer Dec 2013 #119

The creed doe not matter DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #122

The store is not refusing to sell anything to anyone. cbayer Dec 2013 #128

I think Marks-n-Sparks needs to modify their employment application. MADem Dec 2013 #167

I don't know if you found this OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #197

My experience of queuing in the UK was different... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #221

LOL OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #293

I've queued in M/S and in Woolworth's on the odd High Street, and MADem Dec 2013 #296

Definitely true by my experience OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #298

I've lived in the Middle East and gone to some of the most holy sites in (shi'a) Islam. MADem Dec 2013 #300

I'm the same way, I don't mind what other people believe - OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #301

Well, they're Muslims, see? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #95

I guess I've managed to avoid most of these discussions, cbayer Dec 2013 #99

I would really be surprised if they were Scootaloo Dec 2013 #100

Sadly.... RFKHumphreyObama Dec 2013 #115

"Where it comes to Islam, DU is as much of an ignorant hate site as FreeRepublic." you are so right Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #120

I have found this thread fairly shocking. cbayer Dec 2013 #130

sadly I have to say DU Admin has long been extremely tolerant of anti-Muslim bigotry and things have Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #131

I think its broader than that, though I can see the problem in this thread. cbayer Dec 2013 #135

Sometimes I wonder if a new poster who is progressive and a person of faith really feels welcome hrmjustin Dec 2013 #149

unfortunately you are quite correct. Even if a person doesn't hold to any belief system - it is Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #159

Agreed. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #160

Others see only one's actions, not the 'belief' or 'faith' another might claim. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #236

"Most people of faith are bigots". Wow talk about a broad brush. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #237

Hi Douglas. I totally agree with you and have noticed things are getting worse, not better n/t Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #166

a lot worse ... DU Admin doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with even the most hateful Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #185

It violates state law in USA for someone under 21 to ring up alcohol. MADem Dec 2013 #187

If Marks and Spencer's finds a way to accommodate the sensitivities of some of the staff while Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #193

They're doing it by inconveniencing the customers, apparently. MADem Dec 2013 #195

so far there has been no evidence of customers complaining of inconvenience - there are many people Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #200

Did you read the Daily Mail comments? smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #271

Do you know who reads the Daily Mail? cbayer Dec 2013 #273

Some states. It's perfectly legal in California. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #216

That's silly. It's no different than the Catholic pharmacist refusing to hand the MADem Dec 2013 #169

It's absolutely not the same. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #176

So you're saying that the pharmacist can't call over another pharmacist to do his dirty work? MADem Dec 2013 #180

I'm familiar with the anti-choice pharmacists in the US... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #211

Delay or deny, the end result is that the customer is disaccommoded. MADem Dec 2013 #258

But that's not M&S's policy... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #262

"With no delays or inconveniences...." MADem Dec 2013 #295

I'm saying that they don't do so, and your example acknowledges that reality Scootaloo Dec 2013 #213

They can be ordered to, but the customer is still affected. MADem Dec 2013 #252

I have been reading the Religion forum for a long while now, ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #179

If you live in many countries, Scientology is not recognized as a religion. MADem Dec 2013 #181

Yes, Scientology faces a lot of bigotry around the world. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #182

Well, I think it's a cult, myself. I am not alone in that, either. MADem Dec 2013 #183

Thank you for providing an example of Scientology bigotry on DU. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #184

My view of the cult is based on their published dicta. I merely applied basic reasoning skills. nt MADem Dec 2013 #186

Some atheists, usually called "new atheists," ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #188

Whatever floats your boat. nt MADem Dec 2013 #191

Any criticism is seen as "bigotry" to religions zealots alarimer Dec 2013 #233

Sure, but some is bigotry. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #256

No get the red out Dec 2013 #226

LOL..... Logical Dec 2013 #170

In many cases (although not this one) yes, absolutely. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #206

OB-GYN should choose a different job??? onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #228

I would absolutely equate the two...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #223

Because selling pork or booze has nothing to do with their silly-ass Bronze age nonsense. Codeine Dec 2013 #26

Well that's your opinion. cbayer Dec 2013 #30

Having to leave the line I've patiently waited in Codeine Dec 2013 #43

In the only example they actually give, the customer was cbayer Dec 2013 #50

My descriptors would be no less disparaging Codeine Dec 2013 #59

The assumption being made is that this is causing an inconvenience. cbayer Dec 2013 #66

But why is this suddenly a problem CJCRANE Dec 2013 #46

These products are sold in many muslim majority countries? cbayer Dec 2013 #51

Read the comments at the link. Lots of people chipping in about this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #55

Some of the comments are frankly disgusting, but cbayer Dec 2013 #69

It's kind of a vicious circle...religious fundamentalism elicits a reaction which then increases the CJCRANE Dec 2013 #72

I think it's important to make a distinction that defines extremism cbayer Dec 2013 #76

Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey.... MADem Dec 2013 #189

"There is a massive problem with discrimination against Muslims in the UK" brentspeak Dec 2013 #104

Are you not aware of the violence that has been perpetrated against cbayer Dec 2013 #106

"I doubt that the Marks & Spencer management is stupid" brentspeak Dec 2013 #108

We shall see, but I wouldn't bet on it. cbayer Dec 2013 #109

I know it's not M&S that are stupid... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #214

The Daily Mail's headline and subheadline are highly misleading muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #259

What about the non-fundamentalist muslims who want to buy a beer? CJCRANE Dec 2013 #136

No one is preventing them from buying a beer. cbayer Dec 2013 #139

It's a thin pose. If one's wages are a portion of profits from selling intoxicants Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #240

No edhopper Dec 2013 #27

That's not what it says in the text of the article, so I think cbayer Dec 2013 #31

It does say that. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #33

I would guess that the store is quite sensitive to this issue cbayer Dec 2013 #41

An OB-GYN who refuses to dispense birth control should not be licensed. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44

I didn't ask about birth control. I asked about abortions. cbayer Dec 2013 #47

No, this is not Islam, it's childish fundamentalism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #65

From what I understand there is a prohibition against selling intoxicants. cbayer Dec 2013 #67

One of the best places in the middle east for good 'abejo' used to be Iran. MADem Dec 2013 #302

Quote from the article. edhopper Dec 2013 #36

However, the one example they give is of a customer being told that they cbayer Dec 2013 #45

First you say there is nothing wrong with what M&S are doing edhopper Dec 2013 #49

Agreeing with the policy of the store and seeing the article cbayer Dec 2013 #54

CBayer - would you be okay with this situation happening? Dash87 Dec 2013 #80

I have posted about this before and I recognize that I am not in the majority cbayer Dec 2013 #84

Fair enough, but I think your last point is a little different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #91

What if your store is in a high crime district where pharmacies that have cbayer Dec 2013 #94

It is not your job to enforce drug laws. If there's a prescription mill, call the DEA. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #133

Not sure what you mean by this. cbayer Dec 2013 #137

Okay, exactly. State licensing. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #138

Do you think an OB-GYN who has a personal position about abortion should be forced cbayer Dec 2013 #141

It depends on whether performing abortions is central to their state-licensed function. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #144

There is leeway in licensing that permits people to not do certain things cbayer Dec 2013 #147

The draft is not voluntary. Becoming a pharmacist is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #150

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on this. cbayer Dec 2013 #153

I still don't understand this, you think people have the right to NOT do their job because of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #254

I think that if a conscientious objection is valid and can be cbayer Dec 2013 #263

Conscientious objection only makes sense if you are asked to do something unlawful... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #268

No, conscientious objection is much more than that. cbayer Dec 2013 #269

I'm sorry, this is just a bullshit argument, I work with pharmacists every day, and frankly... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #251

Do you think that an OB-Gyn who personally objects to abortions cbayer Dec 2013 #264

If they are hired in an office that performs them, and was aware that they may have... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #267

Almost everyone, including licensing boards and professional cbayer Dec 2013 #270

I didn't mention the OP's subject, I will say its stupid, and apparently an exaggeration by the... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #272

What an Ob-Gyn does or does not do is generally up to them as individuals. cbayer Dec 2013 #274

So now you agree with me? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #276

I don't think I have disagreed with you. cbayer Dec 2013 #281

Actually, there have been issues at chains such as CVS with pharmacists refusing... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #283

I'm not sure it should be codified, but I don't know enough cbayer Dec 2013 #286

Solutions to a problem that is wholly created by the intractable anti-choice... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #287

Birth control--of the PLAN B variety--is an OTC medication. MADem Dec 2013 #163

Pharmacies are licensed by the state to dispense medication. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #132

I am flabbergasted... Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #89

No, that's not what I said at all. cbayer Dec 2013 #93

This is what you wrote; Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #98

How does it humiliate the customer? cbayer Dec 2013 #101

So what if the anti choice OB-GYN refuses, and the only alternative is an observant Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #241

A few thoughts on this question. cbayer Dec 2013 #242

I agree. rucky Dec 2013 #201

Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are always making things difficult for the average person. nt politichew Dec 2013 #21

Fundamentalists = superstitious dullards with no place in modern society. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #29

There was a hindu man at my old grocery store who had an easy solution Marrah_G Dec 2013 #25

If I had to work at a store that sold meat Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #90

My ex-husband is a Muslim etherealtruth Dec 2013 #134

No till operator would be touching the meat itself anyway muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #260

Never seen alcohol sold by Marks and Sparks not in a bottle or can either. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #277

I bought some today muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #282

I missed out "not" in that post.......doh. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #291

Ah yes - I thought it was a strange thing to say! muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #292

Who are we to judge? jessie04 Dec 2013 #34

Why not? They offend me every fucking day with their goofy-ass Skydaddy tripe. Codeine Dec 2013 #37

Sure edhopper Dec 2013 #42

Bullshit RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #78

It's arrogant to expect as a customer to get rung up by a person hired to ring me up? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #81

Slick move, and you got three DUers to jump. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #83

I'm new here, but I can tell what they are up to. delta17 Dec 2013 #102

Wow, you are clever! And arrogant it sounds! nt Logical Dec 2013 #171

No, JihadWatch Jessie is just that transparent. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #177

Thanks for the warm welcome. nt delta17 Dec 2013 #207

Ignore them. They were incredibly nasty to you... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #220

Thanks! delta17 Dec 2013 #234

lol Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #92

Isn't this clearly a two-way street? tritsofme Dec 2013 #114

I bet you don't say that for the fundies to Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #157

Another strong argument for Oppressive Religion. 99Forever Dec 2013 #38

This holier-than-thou behavior is getting a little over the top. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #39

It's UK, not us, but I think it's horseshit. MADem Dec 2013 #53

"Will your religion cause you to discriminate against our customers in any way?" Zorra Dec 2013 #56

Yes, I think the customers have cause to say they are being discriminated against, especially if the freshwest Dec 2013 #172

I agree. It's getting way out of hand. Zorra Dec 2013 #246

I don't think you understand multi- culturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #261

Let's see...I'm female -check- dark skinned multiethnic -check- LGBT - check Zorra Dec 2013 #297

I don't think someone could ask that of a potential employee RainDog Dec 2013 #299

I would leave all my groceries on the conveyor belt and /or in the cart and walk out. left is right Dec 2013 #57

As would I. RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #79

Yup, this. appal_jack Dec 2013 #96

So now are they LiberalElite Dec 2013 #60

sounds more like you won't know edhopper Dec 2013 #61

Then what I'd do is - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #62

The policy invites - nearly requires, actually - profiling based on appearance. Codeine Dec 2013 #68

I do think M&S has gotten onto a slippery slope - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #71

The problem is, what if they have 10 tills open one day and 8 Muslims working that shift. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #278

As Long as it doesn't JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #63

I buy Hebrew National hot dogs for just that reason. dionysus Dec 2013 #148

Hey now! JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #222

i live in the home of Zweigles... love me some red and white pop-opens... BUT dionysus Dec 2013 #238

My first boss out of Unversity JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #288

holy cow, i pass by that Wahls in Avon every time i go golfing at Farview!!!!! dionysus Dec 2013 #303

It's not really a big deal LittleBlue Dec 2013 #73

I would walk the fuck out of that store and never return. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #75

No coercion involved. Everyone has choice here. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #85

Probably because of their clientele. Igel Dec 2013 #86

I'm of two minds on this. Deep13 Dec 2013 #87

They can't even sell it? treestar Dec 2013 #97

Considering most of the small liquor stores in my area Codeine Dec 2013 #103

Why do they keep giving in to this insanity? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #105

That's a bit over the top. Codeine Dec 2013 #107

That's true. jessie04 Dec 2013 #110

You're silly and you should go away. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #112

lol... I haven't figured that poster out yet. penultimate Dec 2013 #127

I have... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #165

Business has the right to refuse to sell their products to anyone Rex Dec 2013 #116

I know it! Will their collective alcoholism ever end?! nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #158

A Mr. Duke of Louisiana called. He wants his talking points back. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #178

Talking points, right. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #209

Sinister, really? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #210

Yeah, I want to hear more about this sinister stuff that's going on in the UK as well... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #212

Guh, SPOILERS! n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #215

Oops, sorry. But I did leave out some of them... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #217

Yeah, really. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #232

World history in a nutshell: New people came, things changed. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #257

Oh, ok. No problem then. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #289

Oh, I'm well aware of Malmo Scootaloo Dec 2013 #290

Prolly a non-starter article... Marks and Spencer typically has a separate checkout for their food JCMach1 Dec 2013 #117

I don't see this as a big deal. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author penultimate Dec 2013 #124

If you are worried that your God will hate you for selling alcohol or pork products, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #123

There may be some inconveniences if they don't make it apparent where they penultimate Dec 2013 #126

If your religion interferes with your ability to perform your job, either get a different job Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #129

you know that's illegal, right. if its a non-essential part of your job, your organization La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #143

I don't see how selling products that a store has for sale, is not an essential part Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #146

a store sells a milllion products, of which you can't touch two, and neither La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #152

that's reasonable accommodation based on sincerely held religious beliefs La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #140

Do you really think it's going to stop there? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #161

Why is it any of yr business? Do you run M&S? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #218

The thing is: we don't know how many muslim cashiers actually choose to do this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #145

It actually makes the issue worse Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #162

No kidding, if you can't do the job, work elsewhere Warpy Dec 2013 #151

Ridiculous. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #156

I see the Daily Mail is still peddling its Islamophobic bullshit. But why are you peddling it here? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #164

Plenty of other links for this story. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #175

do they refuse paychecks because it's made up of alcohol and pork that has been sold ? JI7 Dec 2013 #174

This is the Daily Mail, 'nuff said LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #190

They've got a sensationalised headline done to appeal to people who hate Muslims... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #208

Here in Germany most Turkish restaurants serve alcohol DFW Dec 2013 #192

Its odd Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #196

What I don't get is OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #198

religion LOL n/t KG Dec 2013 #203

Daily Mail nonsense Nine Dec 2013 #205

This is incredibly WRONG get the red out Dec 2013 #224

I sounds like it was a misunderstanding between the corporate office and the store davidpdx Dec 2013 #225

I worked in a factory onlyadream Dec 2013 #227

I'm a cashier nilesobek Dec 2013 #229

but not doing your job KatyMan Dec 2013 #231

Oh wow!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #230

If I waited in line for 10-15 minutes only to finally reach the register and then be told Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #239

I have to wait for a different cashier almost every time I buy wine at the grocery store. Nine Dec 2013 #244

Daily Mail - tempest in a teacup. GoneOffShore Dec 2013 #245

Here's a more reliable, less sensationalized version of the story LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #249

This would be great infromation as an OP etherealtruth Dec 2013 #265

If Marks & Spencer had a specified Halal area and separate check-out - I wouldn't have an issue. haele Dec 2013 #253

Terrible precedent... Hope they get a backlash... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #266

Maybe they shouldn't be working there if they don't want to do their job. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #280