Does anyone dispute the fact that the 'false allegations of rape are common' myth is dangerous?

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109. I define the problem as oppressing men leads to oppressing women...

The demands of the powerful begin on men as boys. It is passed through generations.

Someone asked some time back (he's on Ignore now) what was the most oppressive thing done to men, as he felt oppressed by the discussion, I answered him thus:

The worst thing done to a woman is to make her a concubine.

The worst thing done to a man is to make him a soldier.

That is biological determinism, and has nothing to do with whole person. It is treating people like livestock.

Part of rape culture IMO, is the programming of men to believe their function in life is inseminating the herd of women as part of their life's purpose, else all they have suffered and lost, some cases their lives, will mean nothing.

They have been used up and have no future except the one she bears. She can fix the problem, they can't. That is why you see some of these same characterists in the forced birth group. Momma will fix it, I don't know how, but somehow, she will.

That is separate from just hating women, but part of hating women is hating weakness and hating that in oneself, as it's fatal in their world, brutally enforced since childhood.

Men are taught from boyhood to be strong, not cry, that they had better be fully ready and willing to assault other people (fighting) and to kill. The MR group have taken this to its extreme, and so have many preppers and endtimers. It's pure survivalism for the individual in a chaotic world. But it just increases the chaos since it is unbalanced, B&W thinking.

It's not hard wired, as they claim, nor is it inevitable. There are tendencies, but a lot of one's responses or wiring is done after one is born, and some occurs many years later. Re: PTSD.

That underlies dehumanization. To make an army requires a perverted (or maybe not?) sense of team spirit and 'us against them.' Once one is taught that B&W way of thinking, it's applied to everything. Business, sex, nature, politics, oneself. A lot of men kill themselves in various ways or in suicide, because they don't have a gray area to live in. Winner vs Loser.

The Kipling poem "IF" says:

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same

The poem is primarily about being humiliated and disrespected, not being accepted, lied about, and the weariness of having to deal with all the injustice of the world, knowing that one has to keep on doing right. Despite that you will never be given credit for any of it.

Has a rapist or racist or anyone who harms another learned any of the lessons in that poem?

No, nor are the their own masters.

Part of that training I spoke of earlier is needed to survive in dysfunctional human society, and even in the trials of life from nature itself, so it's hard to escape. Men have generally been forced into this task. Some take it on as a matter of pride, thus they cannot give it up. Others realize it should be a small part of their lives.

Still others resent the position that women hold but not being told 'of course, you will do this and that and go and die' when deep down they are still sane and afraid, not willing, but must to give up their feelings to survive that world.

They are told, in a very direct way as having been born with a penis, much as women because they are born with a vagine, are going to be told:

'Your life is not your own, your life and dreams mean nothing, who you would have been is not important, and we will take your freedom and your life one way of the other.'

And in giving up those feelings that are more honest and balanced, they will not treat women any better than they were treated.

I saw a while back a photo spread of young soldiers in Afghanistan here at DU. it was an artistic collection. No matter what else the men looked like, in their eyes, all I saw was the look of person who had just been as traumatized as any rape victim.

It was in their core, it coiuld not be taken away. Their sense of what life was supposed to be and their pride had been stripped away. It was not the 'thousand mile stare,' though.

The look was not sorrow or fatigue, it was shock, not the kind that can be faked, either, from one's entire view of life being destroyed. Helplessness, young and vulnerable, of all types.

My comment on the thread was:

'They all look as if they have just been raped.'

One can become an advocate or perpertrator from having lost their normal feelings. Our society, or our leaders, or maybe even the world itself demands ruthlessness at times.

Specialization leads a person to be the best at whatever they choose to do or is chosen for them by birth. I think we need to heal the man before we lecture him.

But I also would say that it is the job of men to do this work. As they will seldom be capable of showing their weakness to a woman, because they are afraid on a level that they can't escape. They want to hurt and maim and kill as their souls have been.

I could have written this better, but it's the best I can do as I'm very busy today. Just a few thoughts on the run.