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Maedhros

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475. Don't short-sell the Democrats - they also have manipulators that they pay to make bad policy

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:59 PM

Dec 2013

palatable to the rank-and-file.

The bottom line is this: the only power that we, as Progressives, hold in this country is our vote. We don't have the means to buy the media to push our message, and the media ignores or subverts our message when we hit the streets to demonstrate. Traditional organizing institutions on the Left, such as trade unions, have been increasingly marginalized over the past 30 years. In addition the leadership in the Democratic Party views Progressives as a problem to solve, not a resource from which to draw, so they just don't listen - THEY tell US what to do, not the other way around.

Aside from throwing money at politicians, the only way to get their attention is to threaten their jobs. Vote for war in Iraq? No votes from Progressives. Vote to weaken Social Security? No votes from Progressives. Vote against civil liberties? No votes from Progressives. It's the only way to convince them NOT to continue drifting to the Right. Pleading with them to support Progressive policies, then rewarding them with our votes anyway when they do the exact opposite, is a losing proposition. Why should they support us when they know they can screw us over and still get our votes?

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The imminent backlash of the Democratic Left. [View all] kentuck Dec 2013 OP

du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #1

I Agree 100%...and I like the rainbow flag. billhicks76 Dec 2013 #251

A very good point LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #371

I wrote an essay on this subject that might be of interest to you. Laelth Dec 2013 #579

thanks Laelth LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #688

Well, to be accurate, Obama "campaigned" as a Left Leaning Populist. bvar22 Jan 2014 #716

That is exactly what happened. He gave soaring speeches with no content. Now his supporters say Vincardog Jan 2014 #727

+ 1000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #728

I remember "specific" promises to Organized Labor and the Working Class: bvar22 Jan 2014 #729

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #731

I think that's exactly what the Tea Party is doing to the right at the moment. Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #2

And for much the same reason. It isn't a matter of philosophy, it is the result of Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #5

Interesting thing though is that the Tea Party started out as disaffected Repugs... bluesbassman Dec 2013 #65

We won't see that, the left has no support from the rich except insofar as their willingness Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #82

The left will be co-opted by the 99% demwing Dec 2013 #99

Don't hold your breath harun Dec 2013 #414

I think the Tea Party started as an astroturf operation Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #109

Yep - AstroTurf for sure... See linked article klook Dec 2013 #134

Saboteurs have been disrupting liberal uprisings ever since Justice Powell wrote his manifesto in loudsue Dec 2013 #149

Will the 1% tolerate the people leaning left? No... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #384

Exactly - they have these neat military tools to keep us in check bodily and mentally Hestia Dec 2013 #433

Good post! loudsue Dec 2013 #449

+1000 G_j Dec 2013 #548

Your "grass roots" coach awaits you! KansDem Dec 2013 #169

I believe that's correct. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #180

of course the 1% isn't going to co-opt a lefty purist group Sheepshank Dec 2013 #589

+1. Tea baggers are for the billionaires. left is the people. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #195

I just don't see that playing out with the Democratic Left. BobUp Dec 2013 #143

Many of us will not accept the Third Way version of the Democratic Party. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #161

Then prepare for lancer78 Dec 2013 #259

You could not be more wrong. The issues and the electorate are entirely different now. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #312

I disagree, respectfully.Bill Clinton rebranded himself a "new democrat" but was in lexington filly Dec 2013 #341

Well said. +1 Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #496

Your arguments have a certain logical resonance... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #383

I've said this several thousand times but I'll say it again: tomp Dec 2013 #391

Agree with you about the Dems....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #439

as you, I agree with your first paragraph only. tomp Dec 2013 #521

They don't serve the rich treestar Dec 2013 #489

bones must be thrown or the masses will revolt. tomp Dec 2013 #519

^^^^^^^Well said.^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2013 #613

Exactly. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #6

It's actually scary Andy823 Dec 2013 #23

Yea ...let's keep the party moving right ...because that's where the money and votes are. L0oniX Dec 2013 #40

On the other hand Andy823 Dec 2013 #63

That's the battered spouse school of voting theory. Chan790 Dec 2013 #67

Marvelous analogy, Chan! Feral Child Dec 2013 #602

"If you want more left leaning candidates get them elected in the primaries" is a "battered spouse"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #604

No. Chan790 Dec 2013 #608

That's nothing like what Andy823 said muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #609

0 for 2. That's exactly what he said. Chan790 Dec 2013 #612

Here's what you said: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #622

By all means do NOT blame the right leaning Dem centrists. pffft L0oniX Dec 2013 #77

Who besides you is advocating for not voting? Please give a link to a post from A Simple Game Dec 2013 #138

"We shouldn't vote for...", "No more lesser of two evils"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #191

that will be your choice AlbertCat Dec 2013 #226

Grow up? Enthusiast Dec 2013 #381

It means what it says, I will no longer vote for a candidate just because they A Simple Game Dec 2013 #260

Thanks for the clarification! I think that when you say... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #276

By the way... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #278

lesser of two evils is reality creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #350

Wow, who knew it could be that simple? Why has no one thought of this before? n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #375

Who suggested that it would be simple... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #420

No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #434

No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t AlbertCat Dec 2013 #438

You mean Bernie Sanders? fadedrose Dec 2013 #465

The reason the far left never does it creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #443

What far left? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #581

How do you know they "don't have the votes"? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #582

Dennis Kucinich creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #600

+1 they keep repeating that as though it means something treestar Dec 2013 #488

"Lesser of two evils" is an admission that our candidate is evil. winter is coming Dec 2013 #498

"If you don't agree with Democrats, run some people in the primaries." !!! THIS!!! bvar22 Jan 2014 #715

"not voted for a Democrat in over 10 years" "the candidate I voted for was and is now the President" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #606

Nothing but the truth, think about it, I know you will be able to figure it out. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #623

Playing 'A Simple Game' with you seems pointless muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #625

I believe you have to read what that person posted... Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #626

Third parties are not allowed where you vote? A Simple Game Dec 2013 #650

Obama is still a Democrat; you voted for a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #656

Yes I voted for someone picked by a party, the party was Working Family instead of A Simple Game Dec 2013 #665

But Obama is not a member of the Working Families Party; he is a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #666

quite easy, actually. there's a shit ton of parties on the ballots here. dionysus Jan 2014 #720

I didn't realize those parties didn't run their own candidates. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #721

i don't think so.. they will run their own candidates for local stuff... but for national or dionysus Jan 2014 #725

No, I'm not saying President Obama isn't a Democrat, I'm saying he is more than a Democrat. A Simple Game Dec 2013 #647

"faced with a choice between a "Republican Republican" and a "Democratic Repulican""... jtuck004 Dec 2013 #377

Suggesting a write-in for "Edward Snowden" is another example... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #417

I am sure that is exactly the opinion any self-interested plantation owner would take jtuck004 Dec 2013 #461

Not really. I think the "self interested plantation owner" would... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #505

Well, then, he, or she, may get what he or she wishes <G> n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #507

Maybe because we have grown up over the past number of years, we have learned that the phrase sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #493

And if they win? (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #506

Ask the Party Leadership. The voters have no control over them winning. Voters will vote only for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #510

RE So who to blame if Republicans win? reACTIONary Dec 2013 #547

Rahm Emmanuel was the one who told those who won the election, that 'minority' you just spoke of, sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #550

What is a 'hard core leftist'? I'm not sure... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #555

I know the word 'purist' is INTENDED to be an insult, that was clear when it first appeared on sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #564

I consider Emmanuel and Axelrod to be... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #588

The 'idea' that Emmanuel called 'retarded' was running ads against conservative Democrats in 2009 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #617

You mean ads against Third Wayers/Republican lite candidates which OF COURSE Rahm the Corporatist sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #630

Those who unnecessarily drive the Democratic party to the right are to blame AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #583

The key word is "unnecessarily"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #584

Where is it written AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #641

Voters will vote for liberal, left wing candidates... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #655

Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate' AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #661

Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate'... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #664

They can't admit their responsibility in the loss of Congress in 2010. See the convulated excuses sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #631

Then they win Feral Child Dec 2013 #605

Excellent post, thank you. I wonder what it will take for the Party Leadership to realize that they sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #633

Agreed, Sabrina Feral Child Dec 2013 #669

Yes and if WE lose, the People that is, I know who I will be blaming and it won't be the voters. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #705

The END is NIGH!1!! reACTIONary Dec 2013 #657

You're not being "flippant", Feral Child Dec 2013 #668

Sorry for being flippent... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #677

Your assumptions Feral Child Dec 2013 #687

Have a great New Year!!! And you are right... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #692

In the last 5 years Maedhros Dec 2013 #160

We want more left-leaning candidates. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #239

You can bet we will end up running against a Tea Party candidate in the Jamastiene Dec 2013 #250

You are so right. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #365

Yep. DUer RC created this graphic to describe the pols in Washington ... Scuba Dec 2013 #401

Add Publicly-funded elections to that list, and I think you have a winner.. Volaris Dec 2013 #360

Problem is, we've been holding our noses and voting for the lesser of evils... polichick Dec 2013 #327

Anyone that wouldn't vote for the lesser of two evils AAO Dec 2013 #342

You don't think we could get someone to run for the Senate, the House and the presidency JDPriestly Dec 2013 #356

Of course. I think there are many Dems that should be primaried. AAO Dec 2013 #358

Or they can vote for the good. polichick Dec 2013 #399

And look at the results. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #382

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Dec 2013 #400

"They shipped our jobs out of the country" Dude if only that was all. L0oniX Dec 2013 #523

I agree. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #533

And it's worked so well for America to have to right wing parties Doctor_J Dec 2013 #192

Yes, right wingers collapsed everything in 2007 AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #574

Yea ...let's keep the party moving right AlbertCat Dec 2013 #224

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #228

Last I heard, the chained CPI is still in the budget. I won't vote for anyone who votes JDPriestly Dec 2013 #240

Right. It seems pretty straight forward. AAO Dec 2013 #345

And in America winning is everything. raindaddy Dec 2013 #413

Where the votes are is kind of important. treestar Dec 2013 #486

Ok, now I'm confused- by "right wing plants"- do you mean plants from the Tea Party? Or "centrists"? LooseWilly Dec 2013 #62

Yeah ... I don't think it's intended to follow logically. DirkGently Dec 2013 #155

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #322

"'left' is presumptively radical and extreme." Yeah, even LBJ. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #385

LOL! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #165

Another ridiculous assertion fadedrose Dec 2013 #392

That's exactly what I was thinking as I read the OP... Blanks Dec 2013 #93

I'd say the "weak willed" are those willing to accept any degradation of Liberal values Maedhros Dec 2013 #162

Give me some specific examples of this 'degradation of liberal values'... Blanks Dec 2013 #225

Chained CPI; supporting charter schools; giving breaks to Wall Street instead of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #243

There are a lot of people supporting charter schools... Blanks Dec 2013 #262

Democrats could have increased the minimum wage when they had both houses of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #285

Beautifully said, JDPriestly! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #326

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #344

It might shock you to learn that not all democrats are laboring away... Blanks Dec 2013 #480

I would agree with you except for the fact that the wealth of the corporate managers, especially JDPriestly Dec 2013 #532

This thread has hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #330

And what do you think a teabagger president will do? AAO Dec 2013 #346

Look. The right-wing of the Democratic Party has lost a lot of working people JDPriestly Dec 2013 #352

I guess you can't fix stupid. AAO Dec 2013 #357

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Dec 2013 #492

And who will be responsible if that happens? Surely you are not blaming voters when the blame lies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #660

Well, if everyone refuses to vote for the lesser evil AAO Dec 2013 #673

"royal you"? "you people"? reddread Jan 2014 #735

Why don't you tell me what you're really thinking - it's vague to me. AAO Jan 2014 #736

I'm a progressive... Blanks Dec 2013 #539

It's not the reality of politics in America. No matter what you say. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #324

FDR didn't replace Henry Wallace. The Democratic party leaders did at the Convention. octoberlib Dec 2013 #537

Obviously, I phrased that poorly... Blanks Dec 2013 #538

centrists have been holding the "my way or the highway crap" gun.. frylock Dec 2013 #107

I put it this way: Maedhros Dec 2013 #163

word up frylock Dec 2013 #170

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #329

A point by point response: Maedhros Dec 2013 #156

Nailed it. n/t DirkGently Dec 2013 #185

Double nailed it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #200

tripple nailed Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #216

Thank you. Well said. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #244

Where's Andy? Maybe Andy has something more important to do, I'll check back tomorrow. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #281

As long as progressives, liberals, socialists, reformists, and Democrats cheapdate Dec 2013 #282

Bullshit. Voting for corporate-friendly Democrats does NOT enable Progressive policies. Maedhros Dec 2013 #295

Bullshit. There's no way in hell that the progressive agenda is served in any way cheapdate Dec 2013 #313

I'm considering the long game. Maedhros Dec 2013 #364

We need effective ways to get attention mdbl Dec 2013 #416

Don't short-sell the Democrats - they also have manipulators that they pay to make bad policy Maedhros Dec 2013 #475

It's smart to consider the long game. cheapdate Dec 2013 #518

Quadruple nailed it. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #333

Nice post! polichick Dec 2013 #337

There is no "FAR LEFT". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #164

It only seems "FAR LEFT" to them when they are FAR RIGHT and think they are centre. L0oniX Dec 2013 #310

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #184

Actually, it is the center and right wing of the Democratic Party that has Jamastiene Dec 2013 #248

So you like to disparage the left do you? To what aim? Are you trying to split the party? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #315

You are EXACTLY right. The TeaLEFT is almost as bad as the TeaRIGHT. Both are awash in radical RBInMaine Dec 2013 #380

you can't even get dems elected in your own state.. frylock Dec 2013 #454

You are completely WRONG about my state, and I am not disparaging actual liberals. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #540

Name the "many fronts" on which Obama has been "very progressive." Maedhros Dec 2013 #509

You only think of one because you see the world through a non-realist purist lens. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #541

Little progressive steps forward, Maedhros Dec 2013 #565

Obama's "successes" remind me of Jack & The Beanstalk. bvar22 Jan 2014 #719

that is sooooo delusional G_j Dec 2013 #549

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #575

+a stone cold billion Julie. Astonishing to see people who claim to be so smart Number23 Dec 2013 #136

Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #202

I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head. Here, this is for you and your pals Number23 Dec 2013 #232

Still projecting huh? No one is talking about your 3rd term candidate. L0oniX Dec 2013 #273

I'm not the one starting an OP trying to pretend that me and my nine other friends hold Number23 Dec 2013 #283

Again more projection about someone we are "rooting" for. Keep trying. L0oniX Dec 2013 #284

When you find a point, why don't you bring it along with you into this thread? Up until now Number23 Dec 2013 #289

First you project that "claim to be so smart" was said then project an Obama poll has anything to do L0oniX Dec 2013 #294

Between the typos and lack of point, I don't get what you're saying at all Number23 Dec 2013 #299

So now you resort to complaining about how many times a person posts??? What a joke! L0oniX Dec 2013 #303

Yes, throwing "ProjecTION!1" out with so obviously no idea what that means is a better strategy Number23 Dec 2013 #308

What was that about "typos and lack of point"? Heh ...wow ...hey you aren't pissed off are ya bro? L0oniX Dec 2013 #316

You don't need my help to look bad, do you?? Number23 Dec 2013 #319

LMAO "posts in this thread that say fuck all" Ok whatever. L0oniX Dec 2013 #323

You're putting me on ignore???! Oh joy!! And lucky for you, there's no spelling involved! Number23 Dec 2013 #328

Now I'm putting you on ignore? and "??!" Punctuation problem? L0oniX Dec 2013 #334

Red X, dude!! RED X!!!! Happy New Year to me Number23 Dec 2013 #338

Please don't beg. It's dehumanizing. L0oniX Dec 2013 #339

Your understanding of "begging" is as good as your understanding of "projection" Number23 Dec 2013 #347

LMAO "recs=power" Does the rec count tell you something you don't like? L0oniX Dec 2013 #349

Authoritarians always have a sadz over the truth. Rex Dec 2013 #567

Wow, how does 9 friends almost equal 300 recs? Rex Dec 2013 #566

Just what I was going to ask...except that it was 309 recs last time I checked. Raksha Dec 2013 #646

I love it when 10% of the Party call the other 90% "purists". Hilarious. Scuba Dec 2013 #402

A very good point - it would be funny if it hadn't worked for so long. Raksha Dec 2013 #648

So why would a Democrat want to disparage the left? What issues do you disagree with? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #318

Every single time you have tried to come after me, the conversation ends with you running Number23 Dec 2013 #325

Why is he "trying to waste" your time? Are you letting him control your time? L0oniX Dec 2013 #335

Dont flatter yourself. You arent that good at bullying. You just seem to like to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #353

I'm not that good at bullying?? Was I trying to be?? Particularly as YOU are the one that has Number23 Dec 2013 #376

your act is stale. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #386

What's even more stale is your "pile on 'cause I've got nothing ever" act Number23 Dec 2013 #478

My "1st grade attempts?" Again that's a very weak attempt. Your post is pure projection. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #422

Oh Praise the Lord! Can you make your little friend live up to his promise to put Number23 Dec 2013 #481

You still don't seem to understand ignore. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #487

It's how I work it. And thanks for reminding me Number23 Dec 2013 #490

And that post right there Union Scribe Dec 2013 #497

No, the problem is entirely YOURS as you have shown REPEATEDLY in this thread Number23 Dec 2013 #500

"needless net nannying as if anyone asked you to involve yourself" OMG the irony. L0oniX Dec 2013 #508

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I promised to put you on ignore? You are seeing shit that aint there now too? L0oniX Dec 2013 #524

"no interest in what you have to say about anything" ...and yet you keep responding. L0oniX Dec 2013 #425

!! Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #410

"What a fucking whinefest" I give it a 3 on a Crying Infant scale of 1-10 Number23 Dec 2013 #477

Yea ...what is it with that? Does the left make them feel uncomfortable or something ... L0oniX Dec 2013 #331

I am guessing that those that disparage the left do so because they covet conservative ideologies. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #355

Of course it does, it goes directly against their agenda. Rex Dec 2013 #569

There's always this marsis Dec 2013 #22

This is an example of why the OP is correct. Fearmongering instead of discussing what went wrong sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #34

I think what you' re saying is important. truedelphi Dec 2013 #83

no..... sendero Dec 2013 #111

We are talking about two different processes inside the reality of politics. truedelphi Dec 2013 #302

It sounds great when you speak in vague terms... Blanks Dec 2013 #152

'We have to compromise'. Sorry, we've been doing that. THEY have to compromise. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #183

I'm not talking about compromising with the republicans... Blanks Dec 2013 #222

Or is it a question of compromising with Republicans who claim to be Democrats? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #252

Let's see. The marginal tax rate is OK. Charter schools are OK. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #249

The only advice I was giving was to vote. That's how... Blanks Dec 2013 #255

People who have always voted WILL vote, but as we saw in 2010, they will vote for Progressive sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #266

I found this telling: Maedhros Dec 2013 #511

Amen. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #177

I think the tea party MynameisBlarney Dec 2013 #37

...and the Dem party "it seems" is catering to the defectors and embracing them while discarding... L0oniX Dec 2013 #44

Exactly, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #85

I am not at all surprised that you cant see the difference. The left are holding onto principles rhett o rick Dec 2013 #173

Me too! +1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #336

The difference is that teabagging policies are for the 1%. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #363

Except the Democratic "left" is actually in line with the majority of Americans Ash_F Dec 2013 #366

That is why dotymed Dec 2013 #442

My point is about the tactics, not the philosophy nt Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #463

Amen. As i read the OP, I'm thinking "Switch Dem with GOP and left with tea party" 7962 Dec 2013 #396

Yeah, just fuck all those folks who will die. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #3

Let us know when the rich who make money from the MIC will contribute to the anti war... L0oniX Dec 2013 #8

Nice sidestep. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #9

You mean people who vote Aerows Dec 2013 #14

The sidestep is all yours. L0oniX Dec 2013 #17

you're turning the definition on its head. It's those who insist on voting for the lesser of 2 evils yodermon Dec 2013 #52

What you see as "lesser of 2 evils", Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #474

So voting your conscience.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #64

Oh come one now ...get with the program. If it has a (D) by its name ...vote for it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #84

This somehow seems appropos..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #95

Epic Kitteh insight. L0oniX Dec 2013 #97

Wow! Liberals are now sociopaths? Um-hmmm. loudsue Dec 2013 #176

Sometimes you end up in bizzarro land when your not planning to go there. L0oniX Dec 2013 #196

Damn dude, sociopathy. You'd think you were defending a drone program that regularly kills innocents JoeyT Dec 2013 #110

Wow ...how did you read that? ...I needed a sarc tag? L0oniX Dec 2013 #120

There still patting themselves on the back for the Clinton-era sanctions against Iraq Maedhros Dec 2013 #168

I was referring to the JoeyT Dec 2013 #287

Vote or be blamed for Death fascisthunter Dec 2013 #39

Makes ya wonder what party yer in don't it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #47

I don't consider them as dems fascisthunter Dec 2013 #517

You wonder what we thought when Bush launched his criminal war? You mean you don't remember? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #43

Your capacity for selective reasoning is quite impressive. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #72

What about Obama EXPANDING the Afghan war that Bush started, Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #261

I think you may very well be right. Autumn Dec 2013 #4

The Democratic Party is going to have to appeal to the left if it wants the Left's votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #7

Oh they will appeal to us ...and then throw us under the scenic cruiser again. L0oniX Dec 2013 #11

They'll appeal to us with cries of "not as bad" and the "lesser of two evils". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #15

Look at post 3 ...it's already started. L0oniX Dec 2013 #18

Yep. And, they will claim the Left gave the seats to the Republicans after the election. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #41

It should be made clear right now. IF Democrats lose the next election, the ONLY people to blame sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #49

+1. "We suck less!" is not a viable platform. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #55

Imagine ^^ that ^^ on a bumper sticker, LOL!!! n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #70

LOL! 2banon Dec 2013 #267

Or "We Suck Less?" SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #280

Leadership is the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #60

Recently there has been one happy exception to the truedelphi Dec 2013 #94

Yes, I supported DeBlasio due to his long history on progressive issues. I would not have supported sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #104

Yet ProSense Dec 2013 #121

If he continues that trend, he will lose the next election and if he had told people he intended to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

So that's it? ProSense Dec 2013 #150

De Blasio Appoints Goldman Sachs Exec To Deputy Mayor Post For 'Fighting Inequality' Phlem Dec 2013 #208

So you approve? ProSense Dec 2013 #209

Yep. Phlem Dec 2013 #212

What? ProSense Dec 2013 #215

Right, as expected. Phlem Dec 2013 #217

And we all know how that worked out BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #125

They will also LIE, blatantly and shamelessly. woo me with science Dec 2013 #166

+1 a shit load............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #340

As always.. 99Forever Dec 2013 #418

They are selling brand identity. Maedhros Dec 2013 #512

This is the same argument used by Ralph Nader Gothmog Dec 2013 #652

If the candidate wants the votes of the left, then he must appeal to left wing voters. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #654

Thank you MissDeeds Dec 2013 #20

I think the TPP Aerows Dec 2013 #10

I hope so, but.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #78

You'd hope Aerows Dec 2013 #103

Well, to be fair, some dumb redneck said something stupid on TV. Maedhros Dec 2013 #171

Exactly...............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #343

you apparently don't know how it works here. Phlem Dec 2013 #607

That's the red line, right there Autumn Dec 2013 #672

Just say no to Hillary? ProSense Dec 2013 #12

To win, she will have to attract the Indepents who came out in 2008 to get rid of Bush policies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #59

Wait, ProSense Dec 2013 #75

I was clear in what I said I believe. No candidate can win with just their base. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #91

Let me ProSense Dec 2013 #100

Funny, From Where I'm Sitting It Looked Like They Came Out To Insure Bush's 3rd Term Upward Dec 2013 #190

You can thank Liberas for that, again. But since that's not likely to happen, we are where we are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #264

Odd isn't it? dflprincess Dec 2013 #297

Yes, very odd. We need to keep reminding them of their constant claim that Liberals aren't needed sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #362

I don�t think that there are that many of these self-destructors... busterbrown Dec 2013 #69

If the Party steps up to defend and expand the safety net, we'll win in 2014 and 2016. winter is coming Dec 2013 #354

I do. hootinholler Dec 2013 #293

They'll lose if the left is necessary to win. polichick Dec 2013 #304

I think the point is, that the People will lose. The Party may win, but the victors will be Big Corp 2banon Dec 2013 #307

I'm here to say I guarantee she will lose. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #361

I wish you were right but I fear you are wrong tularetom Dec 2013 #13

The tiny number of people crazy enough to desert can be done without. gulliver Dec 2013 #16

Hmmm "Deserter Democratic Left" or the "Corporatist Democratic Right" ...decisions ...decisions L0oniX Dec 2013 #19

+++ You nailed it.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #467

To all those that dismiss Aerows Dec 2013 #21

That would be it. Autumn Dec 2013 #28

I would not be one of those who dismiss the voices... gulliver Dec 2013 #33

Excuse me? Aerows Dec 2013 #45

In all these cases where people lose out... gulliver Dec 2013 #80

"The best Democrats can do". You make the OP's case. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #87

No, here's the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #92

Good ole Patty Murray Phlem Dec 2013 #123

Oh? And what do you imagine the "Democrats" will accomplish without "the dead weight"? winter is coming Dec 2013 #24

Hey Aerows Dec 2013 #27

Likely much better results for 99%. gulliver Dec 2013 #42

Except the ones who might leave the Party are the ones who actually oppose winter is coming Dec 2013 #50

But they oppose it incompetently. gulliver Dec 2013 #96

You don't get effective donkeys Aerows Dec 2013 #102

Rather ironic for you to be accusing anyone of "beating the donkey". n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #106

More donkeys pulling to the Right is not helpful. Maedhros Dec 2013 #174

You end up with a Donkephant or an Elephonky when they merge. L0oniX Dec 2013 #206

very good... KoKo Dec 2013 #421

Oh look. Another lecture from a grown-up centrist. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #269

consider the fact that most people don't even vote now fascisthunter Dec 2013 #48

But when that "tiny number" does sit out, they are blamed for Dem losses. progressoid Dec 2013 #53

Well they do more than sit. gulliver Dec 2013 #89

They kill the Democratic buzz? backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #119

Then that's EXACTLY what you'll have to do. :-| n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #71

You're not aware of the huge Coalition formed before the last election by various organizations sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #74

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #88

and you'll be front and center blaming the "Deserter Democratic Left" when the dems lose frylock Dec 2013 #133

Dem support for President Obama has SLIPPED to a whopping 77%, liberal Dem is at 79% Number23 Dec 2013 #153

Like in 2010? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #159

Withdrawing into fantasy again, I see. It's like there is some switch that lets you Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #265

I'd be overjoyed by Aerows Dec 2013 #25

+1. If we're going to indulge in corporate welfare, couldn't it be for businesses that are winter is coming Dec 2013 #29

Absolutely Aerows Dec 2013 #76

Having just found the site MO_Moderate Dec 2013 #26

Helping others who need it without casting judgement. uppityperson Dec 2013 #30

Dems used to stand for things the people needed, not what big business needed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #118

As a Democrat, i'm presuming here, you surely don't have to ask that question? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #122

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Dec 2013 #148

the very fact that we are fighting desperately to save 'Obamacare" or the ACA to use its Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #203

Here you go. And this is a very abbreviated list. woo me with science Dec 2013 #214

I need more links... nikto Dec 2013 #236

Awesome. nt hay rick Dec 2013 #258

Aw, come on. Is that all you've got? uppityperson Dec 2013 #272

Great list, bookmarking it for future reference. madfloridian Dec 2013 #388

And it's a list of things that the President alone is not able to change. Check out who voted for kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #406

Well done! raindaddy Dec 2013 #415

I love ProSense Dec 2013 #419

Bookmarked! KoKo Dec 2013 #423

+1 ^^^THIS^^^ ...copied and saved. L0oniX Dec 2013 #451

wait...this is another symptom of DU...this list is ok, but the "other" list is scorned? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #601

Feel free to counter the points on this list as well. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #670

of course. the third party people wouldn't have it any other way. dionysus Jan 2014 #726

When I officially joined the Democratic Party in 1966, bvar22 Dec 2013 #649

Bottom line for most is ...who's going to pay for Dem political campaigns. L0oniX Dec 2013 #31

You describe the reason we need to fight in primaries. jeff47 Dec 2013 #32

Historically, that's happened only after the Hamiltonian party has collapsed Warpy Dec 2013 #35

Time for REAL Change !!! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #36

Yep-- and self-described "centrists" have already proven themselves too fickle to be relied upon. Marr Dec 2013 #38

The Lieberman-ization of the Dem party. L0oniX Dec 2013 #58

It's the "Reagan Democrats" showing up again. Maedhros Dec 2013 #513

Christie Democrats. How 'bout those blue dogs! octoberlib Dec 2013 #522

I concur especially about Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2013 #46

I have been saying this for a long time. Let us hope this is the moment in time. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #51

I don't think a democrat "left" will prevail and take over the party meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #54

I don't think the left is trying to take over the party. That's already happened by the right. L0oniX Dec 2013 #68

If we could get more representation like Elizabeth Warren meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #101

Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Mike Gravel, Alan Greyson, Wendy Davis, Carl Sciortino... L0oniX Dec 2013 #470

.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #79

We must take back our Party. Support progressive organizations outside the Party rhett o rick Dec 2013 #56

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #57

Fuck Yea! Phlem Dec 2013 #61

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2013 #66

Nice! Phlem Dec 2013 #73

OMG LMFAO L0oniX Dec 2013 #90

I can be contemptuously scoffed at and NOT represented by Republicans without lifting a finger. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #81

+1. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #614

2014 FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #86

You mean the imminent election of Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #98

Tired, overused excuse. Phlem Dec 2013 #112

ok let's do the Ted Cruise Tea party strategy XRubicon Dec 2013 #124

Wow Phlem Dec 2013 #127

Thank you for your interest in the Democratic Party XRubicon Dec 2013 #154

ooooh! Phlem Dec 2013 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #199

kentuck is going to elect Jeb Bush all by himself? U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #126

You should take a quick look at the DU terms of service XRubicon Dec 2013 #367

Threaten with the TOS? How quaint. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #369

Thanks to the Dem right ...who will vote for him in secret. L0oniX Dec 2013 #128

We are also focusing on the primaries... Chan790 Dec 2013 #130

Hell yes bud! Phlem Dec 2013 #132

I'll vote for whoever you want, if they win the primary... XRubicon Dec 2013 #158

Is that's the best ''scary'' you can do? Jeb? Really? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #141

Yes - two wars and the collapse of the economy with his brother was nothing to be afraid of XRubicon Dec 2013 #178

What I want...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #181

The Jeb Bush whose education plan Obama is trying to implement? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #187

So you see no difference in President Obama and Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #193

LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS!!!! H2O Man Dec 2013 #292

Yeah, whats so bad about having a republican president anyway! XRubicon Dec 2013 #301

Agree Completely - Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Dec 2013 #105

The fact is that the status quo sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #108

Well said - k&r polichick Dec 2013 #113

I think the Party is coming to us. DirkGently Dec 2013 #114

Everyone is thinking about this all wrong! It is not about Republican and Democrat any longer. Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #115

It always was about Plutocrats, their minions, and the brainwashed. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #186

Okay, I think I have been here before. They killed my president and his brother and MLK. What the jwirr Dec 2013 #116

Again! whistler162 Dec 2013 #117

I'm compelled to say that you'd enable Republicans because of selfish reasons. great white snark Dec 2013 #131

Thank you wryter2000 Dec 2013 #151

The Democratic Party has always been HoosierCowboy Dec 2013 #135

So you're saying..We'd be better off to have a Republican President than a Dem like Bill Clinton? Auntie Bush Dec 2013 #137

President Nader agrees. Everybody else is a bit more pragmatic. mikekohr Dec 2013 #139

I'm trying to reform the Democratic Party locally but... hay rick Dec 2013 #140

Once again, some prefer fighting Dems to fighting the GOP. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #142

"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." chieftain Dec 2013 #144

This is what bothers me too Flatpicker Dec 2013 #223

+1,000,000 recs. The rich don't fear that we hate them, they fear that we don't hate each other." mikekohr Dec 2013 #234

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Dec 2013 #275

Obama took that quote from the Hopi and didn't credit them... polichick Dec 2013 #311

Abso fucking lutely. At lease a few folks have OPENLY said in this thread and others that they want Number23 Dec 2013 #235

+1. Shrugging off the result of another 8 years of GOP rule, with the death and discrimination, is a freshwest Dec 2013 #263

I think 'temper tantrum' describes this type of thing perfectly. Number23 Dec 2013 #291

I wish they'd have the courage of their convictions... SidDithers Dec 2013 #271

"I guess they value their posting privileges more than their principles." And you nailed it, Sid Number23 Dec 2013 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #440

The repukes HAVE been controlling things without having a majority. L0oniX Dec 2013 #290

"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #644

Possibly. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #145

President Rand Paul? wryter2000 Dec 2013 #146

I disagree with your assessment of the Democratic Party. One thing about polical parties is madinmaryland Dec 2013 #147

As a lifelong Democrat, I'll keep trying to push my party left mountain grammy Dec 2013 #157

Hear! Hear! Titonwan Dec 2013 #167

Not even three hours, and 120 recs. woo me with science Dec 2013 #172

the democratic party left me..no truer words xiamiam Dec 2013 #175

I logged in for the sole swilton Dec 2013 #179

At least I'm not the only one saying it at this point. nt LWolf Dec 2013 #182

When did I hear this before... oh yes in 2010 when we lost big OKNancy Dec 2013 #188

So why don't the DC Dems try to attract some liberal voters then? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #194

We lost cuz Dems stayed at home when they saw the neocon agenda being furthered by our own party. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #198

We won in 2012. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #205

We won it for ya. You know what we need to do. Stop the hoarding class. C'mon, it will be fun!!! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #241

You sold out? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #247

Some were trying to get out from under the bus at the time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #211

.... Phlem Dec 2013 #201

We lost because Nite Owl Dec 2013 #210

Shhh. Phlem Dec 2013 #254

k/r 840high Dec 2013 #189

I will say that this is a very enlightening post. Phlem Dec 2013 #204

You'll let us know when that happens, right? brooklynite Dec 2013 #207

Do they have to be real progressives or is it good enough to imagine that they are? L0oniX Dec 2013 #213

Dude. That NEVER happens! Phlem Dec 2013 #218

LOL L0oniX Dec 2013 #220

I don't know what the right anwser is. Flatpicker Dec 2013 #219

I here ya and agree. Your vote is yours and you deserve to have a say in how things work. Phlem Dec 2013 #227

anything is better than having the Republicans in total control. Well, no, it isn't . AlbertCat Dec 2013 #221

You and...ahem...what army? tritsofme Dec 2013 #229

Yet at the same time there is an entire corporate brigade woo me with science Dec 2013 #430

+1 L0oniX Dec 2013 #436

It would be pretty silly to blame 2010 on a disaffected left. tritsofme Dec 2013 #447

A number of Republicans have moved to the Democratic Party complaining that their party left them. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #230

I prefer to have Republicans in office who have an R after their name rather than a D. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #231

Really? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #597

Americans will persist in their addiction to right-leaning Government... nikto Dec 2013 #233

Well said, kentuck! City Lights Dec 2013 #237

Your vote is the only power you have. Make them EARN it. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #238

If I kill myself, then they'll be sorry!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #242

perfect analogy treestar Dec 2013 #245

ROFL. eom Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #482

LMAO Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #514

Nice. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #515

Na, mocking whiners. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #543

This uponit7771 Dec 2013 #536

Good Democrats would never sell out we the people by supporting the narrow interests of those with indepat Dec 2013 #246

#21 You Threaten To Form Your Own Party If You Don't Get 100% of What You Want ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #253

And who are you to tell him to leave??? fadedrose Dec 2013 #279

I'm glad you acknowledge that President Obama is a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #288

You see, that's a problem for me too fadedrose Dec 2013 #314

Then maybe you should leave the D.U. as well ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #374

If Jeb Bush ran as a Dem, would you vote for him? NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #429

Only if he won the nomination... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #459

Yea ...we 3rd way centrists don't need or want their stinking votes. L0oniX Dec 2013 #437

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #483

k&r... spanone Dec 2013 #256

I largely agree Babel_17 Dec 2013 #257

That's some prime FUD right there... SidDithers Dec 2013 #268

Most Democrats cannot bring themselves to talk about it anymore. kentuck Dec 2013 #270

They do ProSense Dec 2013 #298

yep! Phlem Dec 2013 #306

Does that ProSense Dec 2013 #309

Yeah, he makes a speech like that while at the very same time... polichick Dec 2013 #317

Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #320

The TPP isn't even out of draft form yet. Phlem Dec 2013 #321

That Republican healthcare plan should've been a Democratic plan. polichick Dec 2013 #332

"That Republican healthcare plan " ProSense Dec 2013 #348

The joke's on you - that plan was hatched by the Heritage Foundation... polichick Dec 2013 #397

No, ProSense Dec 2013 #404

The important part to remember is what a real Dem plan would look like... polichick Dec 2013 #444

Some pathetic, diluted, sold out group of empty minds voting without principles and conscience??? L0oniX Dec 2013 #300

I suspect we might see the GOP vanish nationally because of the Tea Party. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #274

agreed. Can see this happening. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #427

It's the nature of the system to destroy such ideals... countryjake Dec 2013 #277

199 recs and counting. woo me with science Dec 2013 #296

Me think's some of them are their own enablers. Phlem Dec 2013 #305

This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #351

It's coming indeed - After years of slavish devotion all I can say is whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #359

We need to get our local elections back, then states back. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #368

I think gerrymandering has to be ended, also cprise Dec 2013 #462

We, as a nation, then are screwed. donheld Dec 2013 #370

. donheld Dec 2013 #372

. L0oniX Dec 2013 #450

Anyone who knows the difference between the two parties and wants equality for all and cares Sparky 1 Dec 2013 #373

These people are the reason the Democratic Party nearly went extinct in the 70s and 80s... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #378

You guys really need to update your bullshit talking points Union Scribe Dec 2013 #479

LOL so your point isn't even consistent then... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #484

Interesting you lump moderates and conservatives together. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #485

You didn't 'turn out as always'. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #501

Here's the ACTUAL story Union Scribe Dec 2013 #503

You proved my point - liberals don't turnout. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #525

BS. bvar22 Jan 2014 #707

I showed you proof... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #711

You haven't "shown" anybody anything. bvar22 Jan 2014 #717

You lose. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #718

Oh here we go again with TeaLeft extremism. Good. Stay home and BITCH again. Then when the ReSCUM RBInMaine Dec 2013 #379

moderates lost Dems 2010 Union Scribe Dec 2013 #387

Progressives are the Tparty's worst nightmare fadedrose Dec 2013 #389

Voting for a third Party is throwing away your vote. another_liberal Dec 2013 #390

What else is there? fadedrose Dec 2013 #394

You will only be helping a Republican win the White House. another_liberal Dec 2013 #398

That's my hunch too.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #405

The "3rd Way" is the old DLC. bvar22 Dec 2013 #591

"sorry" is the right word... fadedrose Dec 2013 #393

I think the only difference between the third way and Republicans is Phlem Dec 2013 #455

Well done! another_liberal Dec 2013 #545

years mtasselin Dec 2013 #395

Happy to kick this great OP and wonderful thread. DUer RC created this graphic to describe ... Scuba Dec 2013 #403

+ a few million. A perfect graphic! solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #424

+1 Nailed it. ^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #426

So Spot on! Phlem Dec 2013 #457

"Most Democrats do not want to hear this and refuse to accept that it will happen" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #407

Why be anti left Dem? What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left? L0oniX Dec 2013 #432

Because the third way trolls will berate you on DU. Phlem Dec 2013 #458

"What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left?" winter is coming Dec 2013 #471

death by a thousand cuts. Phlem Dec 2013 #516

A democracy is based on majority rule, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #556

Now that's funny. majority rule? Phlem Dec 2013 #558

As we've had for over two hundred years, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #571

... Phlem Dec 2013 #599

Most inteligent people know that the majority is not always correct. L0oniX Dec 2013 #562

Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #570

"Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote" L0oniX Dec 2013 #572

Absolutely, and you have a problem Progressive dog Dec 2013 #573

Why bother discussing anything with a 3rd way corporate centrist. L0oniX Dec 2013 #576

I don't know, When you learn to discuss anything with anyone, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #578

If democracy enables the 1% control our government and ignorant minds then it has failed... L0oniX Dec 2013 #580

I just wanted you to admit your dislike of democracy, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #585

I'm sure you know that this political message board is for progressives and not just democrats... L0oniX Dec 2013 #587

US progressives believe in our form of government, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #590

Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #592

"Project much?" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #594

I'll stop with this... you can go on ...but I'm done with responding to you. Not worth my free time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #596

If argument is measured by volume, you win Progressive dog Dec 2013 #603

They also know that enough money can convince the minority that they're the majority. winter is coming Dec 2013 #695

It's time, beacuse the 3rd way is the wrong way. raindaddy Dec 2013 #408

Run progresive candidates and I'll vote for them. 99Forever Dec 2013 #409

Don't try to convince me that I should take one for the team by voting for politicians GoneFishin Dec 2013 #411

Thank you for saying this Kentuck. dotymed Dec 2013 #412

Sounds like libdude Dec 2013 #428

it has long been inevitable stupidicus Dec 2013 #431

Just an observation, reading through these responses. woo me with science Dec 2013 #435

Mike Gravel said it: "Follow the Money!" L0oniX Dec 2013 #441

I love Mike Gravel. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #464

We need him in office. L0oniX Dec 2013 #469

Always about money. Always. woo me with science Dec 2013 #618

Great post, as usual - I would just suggest one thing... polichick Dec 2013 #445

Message was hidden by jury decision. L0oniX Dec 2013 #448

I think you are right about needing to do an end run. woo me with science Dec 2013 #616

I think that it is perhaps more fundamentally about corporations than money Agony Dec 2013 #452

I agree it's a worthwhile effort. woo me with science Dec 2013 #619

The League of Women Voters "Nailed It" back in 1988... bvar22 Dec 2013 #472

+1 This should be its own op. L0oniX Dec 2013 #586

Excellent post. woo me with science Dec 2013 #615

Excellent reminder....and it was a loss when we look at the way the debates KoKo Dec 2013 #690

"It's About The Money!" Shhhh..... KoKo Dec 2013 #689

There is no way that Dems escape their RW "corporate phase" without a paying a price Teamster Jeff Dec 2013 #446

Jeff, the Teamsters are paying a price for their "corporate phase" c'est pas. n/t saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #456

We don't provide most of the money to the Party, but we are essential to its electability. leveymg Dec 2013 #453

Thank you kentuck, speaking for myself, saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #460

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #466

nothing PatrynXX Dec 2013 #468

Wish I could give this another Rec. bvar22 Dec 2013 #473

Yes. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #476

Were tired of these threats. Just leave and join the Green Party treestar Dec 2013 #491

Judging by your active participation in this thread Union Scribe Dec 2013 #495

I'm not threatening to leave the party for the nine millionth time treestar Dec 2013 #502

OMG Phlem Dec 2013 #561

We ARE the Party! Who is this 'we' you are talking about? You don't seem comfortable here among sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #706

(snicker) BKH70041 Dec 2013 #494

Crass bobduca Dec 2013 #684

So you are saying this because of the Tea Party? Rex Dec 2013 #499

K & R democrank Dec 2013 #504

Seems a long time coming. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #526

Do whatever you damn well please and form another party. Beacool Dec 2013 #527

It's ours. We're taking back the keys. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #528

No, it isn't. Beacool Dec 2013 #529

It's our turn. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #530

No, it belongs to the people. Not the groups that pull out Koch money... woo me with science Dec 2013 #546

Ha! Phlem Dec 2013 #559

That�s the illusion of any real difference speaking, backed up by no real change. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #534

That's all you have? Fear? Nothing about how your candidate... polichick Dec 2013 #551

"My candidate" hasn't even announced that she's running. Beacool Dec 2013 #553

If she does run and become prez, will she put the people ahead of corporations? polichick Dec 2013 #554

Crickets. Phlem Dec 2013 #560

Yeah, even her supporters know who would come first in an HRC admin. polichick Dec 2013 #563

No it isn't. sagat Dec 2013 #531

Agreed. As many Democrats say they support Hillary as supported any Democratic Presidential stevenleser Dec 2013 #535

Well then IMO we have something in common with the 1% and the corporations. L0oniX Dec 2013 #598

If corporate Hillary wins don't blame me. I won't vote for her under any circumstances. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #542

That's what the Tea Party said about Romney, and look how well it turned out for them. Beacool Dec 2013 #552

GOTV is now the problem, since the 'beaten downs' know the rich and their two parties don't need ancianita Dec 2013 #544

lord have mercy arely staircase Dec 2013 #557

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Dec 2013 #568

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #577

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #593

The OP and this whole thread is pretty sickening Sheepshank Dec 2013 #595

Post any kind of divisive %$&* stirring and the usual folks get in line to lick the spoon. great white snark Dec 2013 #620

What's funny is watching the numbskulls call those NOT in favor of burning Number23 Dec 2013 #627

I KNOW!!! bvar22 Dec 2013 #632

May your 2014 be better than your 2013. Number23 Dec 2013 #634

What do you expect from people that believe 5 people trump 300? Rex Dec 2013 #638

This thread is a perfect showcase. bvar22 Dec 2013 #651

Extremely important statement. Feral Child Dec 2013 #610

Great job Kentuck! Phlem Dec 2013 #611

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #662

Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers: "Real Change Is Closer Than You Think" proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #621

Good to see this OP still going strong. Autumn Dec 2013 #624

Who is on or 'not on' the REC list is an interesting read. I'm in. eom Purveyor Dec 2013 #628

Waaaa waaaaaa!! Mommy, daddy! The bad thread won't stop! Rex Dec 2013 #629

LOL... bvar22 Jan 2014 #714

We should keep this thread kicked all of 2014! Rex Jan 2014 #724

You guys rock DU. The Democratic Party? Not so much. Looks like you marshalled all the forces.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #635

Oh my God, that graphic sums up this thread so perfectly Number23 Dec 2013 #637

300 recs = an "illusion" of grandeur. Hell, you could pick up 300 recs from the tree place, y'know? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #639

ROFLLL at that pic!!! Girl, your graphics hit HOME every single time. Number23 Dec 2013 #640

Another kick so the RIGHT people don't miss this thread! Rex Dec 2013 #636

K & R. n/t GoneFishin Dec 2013 #642

I'm sorry, as a minority lgbt female, I do not have any choice but to vote for Democrats. If Zorra Dec 2013 #643

That is exactly what they are "banking" you will think. bvar22 Dec 2013 #645

I'm sure you're aware that I know that. My hope is that we can Zorra Dec 2013 #653

That's a powerful visual - disgusting, but powerful. polichick Jan 2014 #713

K&R Crewleader Dec 2013 #658

Happy New Year, Old Friend! kentuck Dec 2013 #659

You speak the truth my friend Crewleader Dec 2013 #674

another kick so minority gets it. Phlem Dec 2013 #663

I think that's a load of horse shit Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #667

You're a "moderate". You're part of the problem. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #694

moderates pay the bills Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #699

I think most of us realized TBF Dec 2013 #671

Could you provide a list of approved Democrats XRubicon Dec 2013 #675

This implies that there is no difference between republicans and Democrats, and I reject that lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #676

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Dec 2013 #678

Sensitive aren't you. I did NOT imply you should or should not leave, YOU DID in your OP. lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #679

I'm just sick of people that cannot or will not fight back. kentuck Dec 2013 #680

I agree. Bill Clinton, I believe, set the foundation for where the Democratic party is today, lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #681

So Bill Clinton Democrats "left" the Democratic Party? kentuck Dec 2013 #682

He definitely moved it to the right, and his policies of deregulation were right out of lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #683

l hope Warren runs too XRubicon Dec 2013 #685

I think so too. At the very least her candidacy would force an honesty on the other candidates lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #686

I believed the same about Kucinich's candidacy. bvar22 Dec 2013 #691

You have a point, but I think it might be different with Warren, maybe wishful thinking lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #704

You have a point too. bvar22 Jan 2014 #708

Kentuck, dear one... fadedrose Dec 2013 #693

I think some folks will realize... kentuck Dec 2013 #696

How bout that list? XRubicon Dec 2013 #697

If you don't know, I can't help you. kentuck Dec 2013 #698

I thought you knew who the good Democrats are??? XRubicon Dec 2013 #700

If they have a "D" by their name...? kentuck Dec 2013 #701

Thanks, Happy New Year XRubicon Dec 2013 #702

Who are the good Democrats? bvar22 Jan 2014 #733

Now we are getting somewhere XRubicon Jan 2014 #738

Funny post kentuck messiah Dec 2013 #703

This is worth kicking into the New Year. bvar22 Jan 2014 #709

MUHAHAHAHA YOU FOOLS! TPTB ARE TAKING OVER WITH THE CENTRIST PARTY! L0oniX Jan 2014 #710

K&R - This thread has been around for days now... Jasana Jan 2014 #712

THere is no Backlash from the Left , most are working within the party or on their own JI7 Jan 2014 #722

What a thread! nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #723

EJ Dionne has a good editorial on the reemergence of a Democratic left Gothmog Jan 2014 #730

Excellent points YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #734

Morning kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #732

Afternoon kick. Autumn Jan 2014 #737

Evening kick. Phlem Jan 2014 #739

See post 738 XRubicon Jan 2014 #740

Who ever replied to this, your on IGNORE. Phlem Jan 2014 #741

I knew that you had me on ignore, you are afraid of ideas... XRubicon Jan 2014 #742

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #743

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #744

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #745

Wanted to KICK this important thread. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #746

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #747

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #748

Happy to see this inspiring thread again! polichick Jan 2014 #749