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729. I remember "specific" promises to Organized Labor and the Working Class:

Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:24 PM

Jan 2014

*to immediately renegotiate NAFTA to help save American Jobs and protect UNIONS

*To "immediately" make EFCA (Card Check) "The LAW of the Land".

*To "put on comfortable shoes and walk the line" wherever Workers are prevented from forming Unions.

*To NOT sign any Health Care Reform Bill that does not contain a Public Option

*To force producers to label foods with Genetically Modified notices and country of origin labels

*To Raise-the-CAP on FICA deductions

This is not a case of we heard what we wanted to hear,
or a misinterpretation of vague Campaign Rhetoric.
This IS Candidate Obama running as a Left of Center, Pro-LABOR Populist.

Which goes to PROVE that Liberal, Populist, Pro-LABOR Candidates CAN Win...and WIN BIG in the US TODAY!
The myth that America is a Center or Center/Right nation,
and ONLY Centrists can WIN was forever put to rest with the Obama Victory.
Hillary "Centrists" would LOVE to resurrect and empower that myth,
but THAT is OVER.

[font size=5]Obama's Army for “CHANGE”, Jan. 21, 2009[/font]

[font size=4]"Oh, What could have been."[/font]

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The imminent backlash of the Democratic Left. [View all] kentuck Dec 2013 OP

du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #1

I Agree 100%...and I like the rainbow flag. billhicks76 Dec 2013 #251

A very good point LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #371

I wrote an essay on this subject that might be of interest to you. Laelth Dec 2013 #579

thanks Laelth LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #688

Well, to be accurate, Obama "campaigned" as a Left Leaning Populist. bvar22 Jan 2014 #716

That is exactly what happened. He gave soaring speeches with no content. Now his supporters say Vincardog Jan 2014 #727

+ 1000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #728

I remember "specific" promises to Organized Labor and the Working Class: bvar22 Jan 2014 #729

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #731

I think that's exactly what the Tea Party is doing to the right at the moment. Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #2

And for much the same reason. It isn't a matter of philosophy, it is the result of Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #5

Interesting thing though is that the Tea Party started out as disaffected Repugs... bluesbassman Dec 2013 #65

We won't see that, the left has no support from the rich except insofar as their willingness Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #82

The left will be co-opted by the 99% demwing Dec 2013 #99

Don't hold your breath harun Dec 2013 #414

I think the Tea Party started as an astroturf operation Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #109

Yep - AstroTurf for sure... See linked article klook Dec 2013 #134

Saboteurs have been disrupting liberal uprisings ever since Justice Powell wrote his manifesto in loudsue Dec 2013 #149

Will the 1% tolerate the people leaning left? No... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #384

Exactly - they have these neat military tools to keep us in check bodily and mentally Hestia Dec 2013 #433

Good post! loudsue Dec 2013 #449

+1000 G_j Dec 2013 #548

Your "grass roots" coach awaits you! KansDem Dec 2013 #169

I believe that's correct. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #180

of course the 1% isn't going to co-opt a lefty purist group Sheepshank Dec 2013 #589

+1. Tea baggers are for the billionaires. left is the people. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #195

I just don't see that playing out with the Democratic Left. BobUp Dec 2013 #143

Many of us will not accept the Third Way version of the Democratic Party. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #161

Then prepare for lancer78 Dec 2013 #259

You could not be more wrong. The issues and the electorate are entirely different now. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #312

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Well said. +1 Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #496

Your arguments have a certain logical resonance... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #383

I've said this several thousand times but I'll say it again: tomp Dec 2013 #391

Agree with you about the Dems....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #439

as you, I agree with your first paragraph only. tomp Dec 2013 #521

They don't serve the rich treestar Dec 2013 #489

bones must be thrown or the masses will revolt. tomp Dec 2013 #519

^^^^^^^Well said.^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2013 #613

Exactly. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #6

It's actually scary Andy823 Dec 2013 #23

Yea ...let's keep the party moving right ...because that's where the money and votes are. L0oniX Dec 2013 #40

On the other hand Andy823 Dec 2013 #63

That's the battered spouse school of voting theory. Chan790 Dec 2013 #67

Marvelous analogy, Chan! Feral Child Dec 2013 #602

"If you want more left leaning candidates get them elected in the primaries" is a "battered spouse"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #604

No. Chan790 Dec 2013 #608

That's nothing like what Andy823 said muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #609

0 for 2. That's exactly what he said. Chan790 Dec 2013 #612

Here's what you said: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #622

By all means do NOT blame the right leaning Dem centrists. pffft L0oniX Dec 2013 #77

Who besides you is advocating for not voting? Please give a link to a post from A Simple Game Dec 2013 #138

"We shouldn't vote for...", "No more lesser of two evils"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #191

that will be your choice AlbertCat Dec 2013 #226

Grow up? Enthusiast Dec 2013 #381

It means what it says, I will no longer vote for a candidate just because they A Simple Game Dec 2013 #260

Thanks for the clarification! I think that when you say... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #276

By the way... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #278

lesser of two evils is reality creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #350

Wow, who knew it could be that simple? Why has no one thought of this before? n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #375

Who suggested that it would be simple... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #420

No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #434

No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t AlbertCat Dec 2013 #438

You mean Bernie Sanders? fadedrose Dec 2013 #465

The reason the far left never does it creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #443

What far left? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #581

How do you know they "don't have the votes"? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #582

Dennis Kucinich creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #600

+1 they keep repeating that as though it means something treestar Dec 2013 #488

"Lesser of two evils" is an admission that our candidate is evil. winter is coming Dec 2013 #498

"If you don't agree with Democrats, run some people in the primaries." !!! THIS!!! bvar22 Jan 2014 #715

"not voted for a Democrat in over 10 years" "the candidate I voted for was and is now the President" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #606

Nothing but the truth, think about it, I know you will be able to figure it out. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #623

Playing 'A Simple Game' with you seems pointless muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #625

I believe you have to read what that person posted... Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #626

Third parties are not allowed where you vote? A Simple Game Dec 2013 #650

Obama is still a Democrat; you voted for a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #656

Yes I voted for someone picked by a party, the party was Working Family instead of A Simple Game Dec 2013 #665

But Obama is not a member of the Working Families Party; he is a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #666

quite easy, actually. there's a shit ton of parties on the ballots here. dionysus Jan 2014 #720

I didn't realize those parties didn't run their own candidates. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #721

i don't think so.. they will run their own candidates for local stuff... but for national or dionysus Jan 2014 #725

No, I'm not saying President Obama isn't a Democrat, I'm saying he is more than a Democrat. A Simple Game Dec 2013 #647

"faced with a choice between a "Republican Republican" and a "Democratic Repulican""... jtuck004 Dec 2013 #377

Suggesting a write-in for "Edward Snowden" is another example... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #417

I am sure that is exactly the opinion any self-interested plantation owner would take jtuck004 Dec 2013 #461

Not really. I think the "self interested plantation owner" would... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #505

Well, then, he, or she, may get what he or she wishes <G> n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #507

Maybe because we have grown up over the past number of years, we have learned that the phrase sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #493

And if they win? (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #506

Ask the Party Leadership. The voters have no control over them winning. Voters will vote only for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #510

RE So who to blame if Republicans win? reACTIONary Dec 2013 #547

Rahm Emmanuel was the one who told those who won the election, that 'minority' you just spoke of, sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #550

What is a 'hard core leftist'? I'm not sure... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #555

I know the word 'purist' is INTENDED to be an insult, that was clear when it first appeared on sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #564

I consider Emmanuel and Axelrod to be... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #588

The 'idea' that Emmanuel called 'retarded' was running ads against conservative Democrats in 2009 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #617

You mean ads against Third Wayers/Republican lite candidates which OF COURSE Rahm the Corporatist sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #630

Those who unnecessarily drive the Democratic party to the right are to blame AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #583

The key word is "unnecessarily"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #584

Where is it written AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #641

Voters will vote for liberal, left wing candidates... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #655

Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate' AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #661

Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate'... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #664

They can't admit their responsibility in the loss of Congress in 2010. See the convulated excuses sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #631

Then they win Feral Child Dec 2013 #605

Excellent post, thank you. I wonder what it will take for the Party Leadership to realize that they sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #633

Agreed, Sabrina Feral Child Dec 2013 #669

Yes and if WE lose, the People that is, I know who I will be blaming and it won't be the voters. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #705

The END is NIGH!1!! reACTIONary Dec 2013 #657

You're not being "flippant", Feral Child Dec 2013 #668

Sorry for being flippent... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #677

Your assumptions Feral Child Dec 2013 #687

Have a great New Year!!! And you are right... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #692

In the last 5 years Maedhros Dec 2013 #160

We want more left-leaning candidates. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #239

You can bet we will end up running against a Tea Party candidate in the Jamastiene Dec 2013 #250

You are so right. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #365

Yep. DUer RC created this graphic to describe the pols in Washington ... Scuba Dec 2013 #401

Add Publicly-funded elections to that list, and I think you have a winner.. Volaris Dec 2013 #360

Problem is, we've been holding our noses and voting for the lesser of evils... polichick Dec 2013 #327

Anyone that wouldn't vote for the lesser of two evils AAO Dec 2013 #342

You don't think we could get someone to run for the Senate, the House and the presidency JDPriestly Dec 2013 #356

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Or they can vote for the good. polichick Dec 2013 #399

And look at the results. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #382

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Dec 2013 #400

"They shipped our jobs out of the country" Dude if only that was all. L0oniX Dec 2013 #523

I agree. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #533

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Yes, right wingers collapsed everything in 2007 AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #574

Yea ...let's keep the party moving right AlbertCat Dec 2013 #224

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #228

Last I heard, the chained CPI is still in the budget. I won't vote for anyone who votes JDPriestly Dec 2013 #240

Right. It seems pretty straight forward. AAO Dec 2013 #345

And in America winning is everything. raindaddy Dec 2013 #413

Where the votes are is kind of important. treestar Dec 2013 #486

Ok, now I'm confused- by "right wing plants"- do you mean plants from the Tea Party? Or "centrists"? LooseWilly Dec 2013 #62

Yeah ... I don't think it's intended to follow logically. DirkGently Dec 2013 #155

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #322

"'left' is presumptively radical and extreme." Yeah, even LBJ. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #385

LOL! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #165

Another ridiculous assertion fadedrose Dec 2013 #392

That's exactly what I was thinking as I read the OP... Blanks Dec 2013 #93

I'd say the "weak willed" are those willing to accept any degradation of Liberal values Maedhros Dec 2013 #162

Give me some specific examples of this 'degradation of liberal values'... Blanks Dec 2013 #225

Chained CPI; supporting charter schools; giving breaks to Wall Street instead of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #243

There are a lot of people supporting charter schools... Blanks Dec 2013 #262

Democrats could have increased the minimum wage when they had both houses of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #285

Beautifully said, JDPriestly! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #326

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #344

It might shock you to learn that not all democrats are laboring away... Blanks Dec 2013 #480

I would agree with you except for the fact that the wealth of the corporate managers, especially JDPriestly Dec 2013 #532

This thread has hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #330

And what do you think a teabagger president will do? AAO Dec 2013 #346

Look. The right-wing of the Democratic Party has lost a lot of working people JDPriestly Dec 2013 #352

I guess you can't fix stupid. AAO Dec 2013 #357

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Dec 2013 #492

And who will be responsible if that happens? Surely you are not blaming voters when the blame lies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #660

Well, if everyone refuses to vote for the lesser evil AAO Dec 2013 #673

"royal you"? "you people"? reddread Jan 2014 #735

Why don't you tell me what you're really thinking - it's vague to me. AAO Jan 2014 #736

I'm a progressive... Blanks Dec 2013 #539

It's not the reality of politics in America. No matter what you say. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #324

FDR didn't replace Henry Wallace. The Democratic party leaders did at the Convention. octoberlib Dec 2013 #537

Obviously, I phrased that poorly... Blanks Dec 2013 #538

centrists have been holding the "my way or the highway crap" gun.. frylock Dec 2013 #107

I put it this way: Maedhros Dec 2013 #163

word up frylock Dec 2013 #170

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #329

A point by point response: Maedhros Dec 2013 #156

Nailed it. n/t DirkGently Dec 2013 #185

Double nailed it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #200

tripple nailed Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #216

Thank you. Well said. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #244

Where's Andy? Maybe Andy has something more important to do, I'll check back tomorrow. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #281

As long as progressives, liberals, socialists, reformists, and Democrats cheapdate Dec 2013 #282

Bullshit. Voting for corporate-friendly Democrats does NOT enable Progressive policies. Maedhros Dec 2013 #295

Bullshit. There's no way in hell that the progressive agenda is served in any way cheapdate Dec 2013 #313

I'm considering the long game. Maedhros Dec 2013 #364

We need effective ways to get attention mdbl Dec 2013 #416

Don't short-sell the Democrats - they also have manipulators that they pay to make bad policy Maedhros Dec 2013 #475

It's smart to consider the long game. cheapdate Dec 2013 #518

Quadruple nailed it. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #333

Nice post! polichick Dec 2013 #337

There is no "FAR LEFT". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #164

It only seems "FAR LEFT" to them when they are FAR RIGHT and think they are centre. L0oniX Dec 2013 #310

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #184

Actually, it is the center and right wing of the Democratic Party that has Jamastiene Dec 2013 #248

So you like to disparage the left do you? To what aim? Are you trying to split the party? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #315

You are EXACTLY right. The TeaLEFT is almost as bad as the TeaRIGHT. Both are awash in radical RBInMaine Dec 2013 #380

you can't even get dems elected in your own state.. frylock Dec 2013 #454

You are completely WRONG about my state, and I am not disparaging actual liberals. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #540

Name the "many fronts" on which Obama has been "very progressive." Maedhros Dec 2013 #509

You only think of one because you see the world through a non-realist purist lens. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #541

Little progressive steps forward, Maedhros Dec 2013 #565

Obama's "successes" remind me of Jack & The Beanstalk. bvar22 Jan 2014 #719

that is sooooo delusional G_j Dec 2013 #549

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #575

+a stone cold billion Julie. Astonishing to see people who claim to be so smart Number23 Dec 2013 #136

Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #202

I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head. Here, this is for you and your pals Number23 Dec 2013 #232

Still projecting huh? No one is talking about your 3rd term candidate. L0oniX Dec 2013 #273

I'm not the one starting an OP trying to pretend that me and my nine other friends hold Number23 Dec 2013 #283

Again more projection about someone we are "rooting" for. Keep trying. L0oniX Dec 2013 #284

When you find a point, why don't you bring it along with you into this thread? Up until now Number23 Dec 2013 #289

First you project that "claim to be so smart" was said then project an Obama poll has anything to do L0oniX Dec 2013 #294

Between the typos and lack of point, I don't get what you're saying at all Number23 Dec 2013 #299

So now you resort to complaining about how many times a person posts??? What a joke! L0oniX Dec 2013 #303

Yes, throwing "ProjecTION!1" out with so obviously no idea what that means is a better strategy Number23 Dec 2013 #308

What was that about "typos and lack of point"? Heh ...wow ...hey you aren't pissed off are ya bro? L0oniX Dec 2013 #316

You don't need my help to look bad, do you?? Number23 Dec 2013 #319

LMAO "posts in this thread that say fuck all" Ok whatever. L0oniX Dec 2013 #323

You're putting me on ignore???! Oh joy!! And lucky for you, there's no spelling involved! Number23 Dec 2013 #328

Now I'm putting you on ignore? and "??!" Punctuation problem? L0oniX Dec 2013 #334

Red X, dude!! RED X!!!! Happy New Year to me Number23 Dec 2013 #338

Please don't beg. It's dehumanizing. L0oniX Dec 2013 #339

Your understanding of "begging" is as good as your understanding of "projection" Number23 Dec 2013 #347

LMAO "recs=power" Does the rec count tell you something you don't like? L0oniX Dec 2013 #349

Authoritarians always have a sadz over the truth. Rex Dec 2013 #567

Wow, how does 9 friends almost equal 300 recs? Rex Dec 2013 #566

Just what I was going to ask...except that it was 309 recs last time I checked. Raksha Dec 2013 #646

I love it when 10% of the Party call the other 90% "purists". Hilarious. Scuba Dec 2013 #402

A very good point - it would be funny if it hadn't worked for so long. Raksha Dec 2013 #648

So why would a Democrat want to disparage the left? What issues do you disagree with? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #318

Every single time you have tried to come after me, the conversation ends with you running Number23 Dec 2013 #325

Why is he "trying to waste" your time? Are you letting him control your time? L0oniX Dec 2013 #335

Dont flatter yourself. You arent that good at bullying. You just seem to like to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #353

I'm not that good at bullying?? Was I trying to be?? Particularly as YOU are the one that has Number23 Dec 2013 #376

your act is stale. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #386

What's even more stale is your "pile on 'cause I've got nothing ever" act Number23 Dec 2013 #478

My "1st grade attempts?" Again that's a very weak attempt. Your post is pure projection. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #422

Oh Praise the Lord! Can you make your little friend live up to his promise to put Number23 Dec 2013 #481

You still don't seem to understand ignore. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #487

It's how I work it. And thanks for reminding me Number23 Dec 2013 #490

And that post right there Union Scribe Dec 2013 #497

No, the problem is entirely YOURS as you have shown REPEATEDLY in this thread Number23 Dec 2013 #500

"needless net nannying as if anyone asked you to involve yourself" OMG the irony. L0oniX Dec 2013 #508

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I promised to put you on ignore? You are seeing shit that aint there now too? L0oniX Dec 2013 #524

"no interest in what you have to say about anything" ...and yet you keep responding. L0oniX Dec 2013 #425

!! Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #410

"What a fucking whinefest" I give it a 3 on a Crying Infant scale of 1-10 Number23 Dec 2013 #477

Yea ...what is it with that? Does the left make them feel uncomfortable or something ... L0oniX Dec 2013 #331

I am guessing that those that disparage the left do so because they covet conservative ideologies. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #355

Of course it does, it goes directly against their agenda. Rex Dec 2013 #569

There's always this marsis Dec 2013 #22

This is an example of why the OP is correct. Fearmongering instead of discussing what went wrong sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #34

I think what you' re saying is important. truedelphi Dec 2013 #83

no..... sendero Dec 2013 #111

We are talking about two different processes inside the reality of politics. truedelphi Dec 2013 #302

It sounds great when you speak in vague terms... Blanks Dec 2013 #152

'We have to compromise'. Sorry, we've been doing that. THEY have to compromise. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #183

I'm not talking about compromising with the republicans... Blanks Dec 2013 #222

Or is it a question of compromising with Republicans who claim to be Democrats? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #252

Let's see. The marginal tax rate is OK. Charter schools are OK. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #249

The only advice I was giving was to vote. That's how... Blanks Dec 2013 #255

People who have always voted WILL vote, but as we saw in 2010, they will vote for Progressive sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #266

I found this telling: Maedhros Dec 2013 #511

Amen. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #177

I think the tea party MynameisBlarney Dec 2013 #37

...and the Dem party "it seems" is catering to the defectors and embracing them while discarding... L0oniX Dec 2013 #44

Exactly, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #85

I am not at all surprised that you cant see the difference. The left are holding onto principles rhett o rick Dec 2013 #173

Me too! +1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #336

The difference is that teabagging policies are for the 1%. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #363

Except the Democratic "left" is actually in line with the majority of Americans Ash_F Dec 2013 #366

That is why dotymed Dec 2013 #442

My point is about the tactics, not the philosophy nt Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #463

Amen. As i read the OP, I'm thinking "Switch Dem with GOP and left with tea party" 7962 Dec 2013 #396

Yeah, just fuck all those folks who will die. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #3

Let us know when the rich who make money from the MIC will contribute to the anti war... L0oniX Dec 2013 #8

Nice sidestep. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #9

You mean people who vote Aerows Dec 2013 #14

The sidestep is all yours. L0oniX Dec 2013 #17

you're turning the definition on its head. It's those who insist on voting for the lesser of 2 evils yodermon Dec 2013 #52

What you see as "lesser of 2 evils", Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #474

So voting your conscience.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #64

Oh come one now ...get with the program. If it has a (D) by its name ...vote for it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #84

This somehow seems appropos..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #95

Epic Kitteh insight. L0oniX Dec 2013 #97

Wow! Liberals are now sociopaths? Um-hmmm. loudsue Dec 2013 #176

Sometimes you end up in bizzarro land when your not planning to go there. L0oniX Dec 2013 #196

Damn dude, sociopathy. You'd think you were defending a drone program that regularly kills innocents JoeyT Dec 2013 #110

Wow ...how did you read that? ...I needed a sarc tag? L0oniX Dec 2013 #120

There still patting themselves on the back for the Clinton-era sanctions against Iraq Maedhros Dec 2013 #168

I was referring to the JoeyT Dec 2013 #287

Vote or be blamed for Death fascisthunter Dec 2013 #39

Makes ya wonder what party yer in don't it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #47

I don't consider them as dems fascisthunter Dec 2013 #517

You wonder what we thought when Bush launched his criminal war? You mean you don't remember? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #43

Your capacity for selective reasoning is quite impressive. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #72

What about Obama EXPANDING the Afghan war that Bush started, Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #261

I think you may very well be right. Autumn Dec 2013 #4

The Democratic Party is going to have to appeal to the left if it wants the Left's votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #7

Oh they will appeal to us ...and then throw us under the scenic cruiser again. L0oniX Dec 2013 #11

They'll appeal to us with cries of "not as bad" and the "lesser of two evils". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #15

Look at post 3 ...it's already started. L0oniX Dec 2013 #18

Yep. And, they will claim the Left gave the seats to the Republicans after the election. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #41

It should be made clear right now. IF Democrats lose the next election, the ONLY people to blame sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #49

+1. "We suck less!" is not a viable platform. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #55

Imagine ^^ that ^^ on a bumper sticker, LOL!!! n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #70

LOL! 2banon Dec 2013 #267

Or "We Suck Less?" SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #280

Leadership is the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #60

Recently there has been one happy exception to the truedelphi Dec 2013 #94

Yes, I supported DeBlasio due to his long history on progressive issues. I would not have supported sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #104

Yet ProSense Dec 2013 #121

If he continues that trend, he will lose the next election and if he had told people he intended to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

So that's it? ProSense Dec 2013 #150

De Blasio Appoints Goldman Sachs Exec To Deputy Mayor Post For 'Fighting Inequality' Phlem Dec 2013 #208

So you approve? ProSense Dec 2013 #209

Yep. Phlem Dec 2013 #212

What? ProSense Dec 2013 #215

Right, as expected. Phlem Dec 2013 #217

And we all know how that worked out BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #125

They will also LIE, blatantly and shamelessly. woo me with science Dec 2013 #166

+1 a shit load............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #340

As always.. 99Forever Dec 2013 #418

They are selling brand identity. Maedhros Dec 2013 #512

This is the same argument used by Ralph Nader Gothmog Dec 2013 #652

If the candidate wants the votes of the left, then he must appeal to left wing voters. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #654

Thank you MissDeeds Dec 2013 #20

I think the TPP Aerows Dec 2013 #10

I hope so, but.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #78

You'd hope Aerows Dec 2013 #103

Well, to be fair, some dumb redneck said something stupid on TV. Maedhros Dec 2013 #171

Exactly...............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #343

you apparently don't know how it works here. Phlem Dec 2013 #607

That's the red line, right there Autumn Dec 2013 #672

Just say no to Hillary? ProSense Dec 2013 #12

To win, she will have to attract the Indepents who came out in 2008 to get rid of Bush policies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #59

Wait, ProSense Dec 2013 #75

I was clear in what I said I believe. No candidate can win with just their base. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #91

Let me ProSense Dec 2013 #100

Funny, From Where I'm Sitting It Looked Like They Came Out To Insure Bush's 3rd Term Upward Dec 2013 #190

You can thank Liberas for that, again. But since that's not likely to happen, we are where we are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #264

Odd isn't it? dflprincess Dec 2013 #297

Yes, very odd. We need to keep reminding them of their constant claim that Liberals aren't needed sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #362

I don�t think that there are that many of these self-destructors... busterbrown Dec 2013 #69

If the Party steps up to defend and expand the safety net, we'll win in 2014 and 2016. winter is coming Dec 2013 #354

I do. hootinholler Dec 2013 #293

They'll lose if the left is necessary to win. polichick Dec 2013 #304

I think the point is, that the People will lose. The Party may win, but the victors will be Big Corp 2banon Dec 2013 #307

I'm here to say I guarantee she will lose. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #361

I wish you were right but I fear you are wrong tularetom Dec 2013 #13

The tiny number of people crazy enough to desert can be done without. gulliver Dec 2013 #16

Hmmm "Deserter Democratic Left" or the "Corporatist Democratic Right" ...decisions ...decisions L0oniX Dec 2013 #19

+++ You nailed it.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #467

To all those that dismiss Aerows Dec 2013 #21

That would be it. Autumn Dec 2013 #28

I would not be one of those who dismiss the voices... gulliver Dec 2013 #33

Excuse me? Aerows Dec 2013 #45

In all these cases where people lose out... gulliver Dec 2013 #80

"The best Democrats can do". You make the OP's case. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #87

No, here's the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #92

Good ole Patty Murray Phlem Dec 2013 #123

Oh? And what do you imagine the "Democrats" will accomplish without "the dead weight"? winter is coming Dec 2013 #24

Hey Aerows Dec 2013 #27

Likely much better results for 99%. gulliver Dec 2013 #42

Except the ones who might leave the Party are the ones who actually oppose winter is coming Dec 2013 #50

But they oppose it incompetently. gulliver Dec 2013 #96

You don't get effective donkeys Aerows Dec 2013 #102

Rather ironic for you to be accusing anyone of "beating the donkey". n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #106

More donkeys pulling to the Right is not helpful. Maedhros Dec 2013 #174

You end up with a Donkephant or an Elephonky when they merge. L0oniX Dec 2013 #206

very good... KoKo Dec 2013 #421

Oh look. Another lecture from a grown-up centrist. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #269

consider the fact that most people don't even vote now fascisthunter Dec 2013 #48

But when that "tiny number" does sit out, they are blamed for Dem losses. progressoid Dec 2013 #53

Well they do more than sit. gulliver Dec 2013 #89

They kill the Democratic buzz? backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #119

Then that's EXACTLY what you'll have to do. :-| n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #71

You're not aware of the huge Coalition formed before the last election by various organizations sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #74

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #88

and you'll be front and center blaming the "Deserter Democratic Left" when the dems lose frylock Dec 2013 #133

Dem support for President Obama has SLIPPED to a whopping 77%, liberal Dem is at 79% Number23 Dec 2013 #153

Like in 2010? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #159

Withdrawing into fantasy again, I see. It's like there is some switch that lets you Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #265

I'd be overjoyed by Aerows Dec 2013 #25

+1. If we're going to indulge in corporate welfare, couldn't it be for businesses that are winter is coming Dec 2013 #29

Absolutely Aerows Dec 2013 #76

Having just found the site MO_Moderate Dec 2013 #26

Helping others who need it without casting judgement. uppityperson Dec 2013 #30

Dems used to stand for things the people needed, not what big business needed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #118

As a Democrat, i'm presuming here, you surely don't have to ask that question? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #122

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Dec 2013 #148

the very fact that we are fighting desperately to save 'Obamacare" or the ACA to use its Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #203

Here you go. And this is a very abbreviated list. woo me with science Dec 2013 #214

I need more links... nikto Dec 2013 #236

Awesome. nt hay rick Dec 2013 #258

Aw, come on. Is that all you've got? uppityperson Dec 2013 #272

Great list, bookmarking it for future reference. madfloridian Dec 2013 #388

And it's a list of things that the President alone is not able to change. Check out who voted for kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #406

Well done! raindaddy Dec 2013 #415

I love ProSense Dec 2013 #419

Bookmarked! KoKo Dec 2013 #423

+1 ^^^THIS^^^ ...copied and saved. L0oniX Dec 2013 #451

wait...this is another symptom of DU...this list is ok, but the "other" list is scorned? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #601

Feel free to counter the points on this list as well. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #670

of course. the third party people wouldn't have it any other way. dionysus Jan 2014 #726

When I officially joined the Democratic Party in 1966, bvar22 Dec 2013 #649

Bottom line for most is ...who's going to pay for Dem political campaigns. L0oniX Dec 2013 #31

You describe the reason we need to fight in primaries. jeff47 Dec 2013 #32

Historically, that's happened only after the Hamiltonian party has collapsed Warpy Dec 2013 #35

Time for REAL Change !!! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #36

Yep-- and self-described "centrists" have already proven themselves too fickle to be relied upon. Marr Dec 2013 #38

The Lieberman-ization of the Dem party. L0oniX Dec 2013 #58

It's the "Reagan Democrats" showing up again. Maedhros Dec 2013 #513

Christie Democrats. How 'bout those blue dogs! octoberlib Dec 2013 #522

I concur especially about Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2013 #46

I have been saying this for a long time. Let us hope this is the moment in time. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #51

I don't think a democrat "left" will prevail and take over the party meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #54

I don't think the left is trying to take over the party. That's already happened by the right. L0oniX Dec 2013 #68

If we could get more representation like Elizabeth Warren meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #101

Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Mike Gravel, Alan Greyson, Wendy Davis, Carl Sciortino... L0oniX Dec 2013 #470

.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #79

We must take back our Party. Support progressive organizations outside the Party rhett o rick Dec 2013 #56

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #57

Fuck Yea! Phlem Dec 2013 #61

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2013 #66

Nice! Phlem Dec 2013 #73

OMG LMFAO L0oniX Dec 2013 #90

I can be contemptuously scoffed at and NOT represented by Republicans without lifting a finger. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #81

+1. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #614

2014 FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #86

You mean the imminent election of Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #98

Tired, overused excuse. Phlem Dec 2013 #112

ok let's do the Ted Cruise Tea party strategy XRubicon Dec 2013 #124

Wow Phlem Dec 2013 #127

Thank you for your interest in the Democratic Party XRubicon Dec 2013 #154

ooooh! Phlem Dec 2013 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #199

kentuck is going to elect Jeb Bush all by himself? U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #126

You should take a quick look at the DU terms of service XRubicon Dec 2013 #367

Threaten with the TOS? How quaint. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #369

Thanks to the Dem right ...who will vote for him in secret. L0oniX Dec 2013 #128

We are also focusing on the primaries... Chan790 Dec 2013 #130

Hell yes bud! Phlem Dec 2013 #132

I'll vote for whoever you want, if they win the primary... XRubicon Dec 2013 #158

Is that's the best ''scary'' you can do? Jeb? Really? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #141

Yes - two wars and the collapse of the economy with his brother was nothing to be afraid of XRubicon Dec 2013 #178

What I want...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #181

The Jeb Bush whose education plan Obama is trying to implement? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #187

So you see no difference in President Obama and Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #193

LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS!!!! H2O Man Dec 2013 #292

Yeah, whats so bad about having a republican president anyway! XRubicon Dec 2013 #301

Agree Completely - Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Dec 2013 #105

The fact is that the status quo sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #108

Well said - k&r polichick Dec 2013 #113

I think the Party is coming to us. DirkGently Dec 2013 #114

Everyone is thinking about this all wrong! It is not about Republican and Democrat any longer. Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #115

It always was about Plutocrats, their minions, and the brainwashed. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #186

Okay, I think I have been here before. They killed my president and his brother and MLK. What the jwirr Dec 2013 #116

Again! whistler162 Dec 2013 #117

I'm compelled to say that you'd enable Republicans because of selfish reasons. great white snark Dec 2013 #131

Thank you wryter2000 Dec 2013 #151

The Democratic Party has always been HoosierCowboy Dec 2013 #135

So you're saying..We'd be better off to have a Republican President than a Dem like Bill Clinton? Auntie Bush Dec 2013 #137

President Nader agrees. Everybody else is a bit more pragmatic. mikekohr Dec 2013 #139

I'm trying to reform the Democratic Party locally but... hay rick Dec 2013 #140

Once again, some prefer fighting Dems to fighting the GOP. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #142

"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." chieftain Dec 2013 #144

This is what bothers me too Flatpicker Dec 2013 #223

+1,000,000 recs. The rich don't fear that we hate them, they fear that we don't hate each other." mikekohr Dec 2013 #234

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Dec 2013 #275

Obama took that quote from the Hopi and didn't credit them... polichick Dec 2013 #311

Abso fucking lutely. At lease a few folks have OPENLY said in this thread and others that they want Number23 Dec 2013 #235

+1. Shrugging off the result of another 8 years of GOP rule, with the death and discrimination, is a freshwest Dec 2013 #263

I think 'temper tantrum' describes this type of thing perfectly. Number23 Dec 2013 #291

I wish they'd have the courage of their convictions... SidDithers Dec 2013 #271

"I guess they value their posting privileges more than their principles." And you nailed it, Sid Number23 Dec 2013 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #440

The repukes HAVE been controlling things without having a majority. L0oniX Dec 2013 #290

"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #644

Possibly. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #145

President Rand Paul? wryter2000 Dec 2013 #146

I disagree with your assessment of the Democratic Party. One thing about polical parties is madinmaryland Dec 2013 #147

As a lifelong Democrat, I'll keep trying to push my party left mountain grammy Dec 2013 #157

Hear! Hear! Titonwan Dec 2013 #167

Not even three hours, and 120 recs. woo me with science Dec 2013 #172

the democratic party left me..no truer words xiamiam Dec 2013 #175

I logged in for the sole swilton Dec 2013 #179

At least I'm not the only one saying it at this point. nt LWolf Dec 2013 #182

When did I hear this before... oh yes in 2010 when we lost big OKNancy Dec 2013 #188

So why don't the DC Dems try to attract some liberal voters then? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #194

We lost cuz Dems stayed at home when they saw the neocon agenda being furthered by our own party. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #198

We won in 2012. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #205

We won it for ya. You know what we need to do. Stop the hoarding class. C'mon, it will be fun!!! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #241

You sold out? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #247

Some were trying to get out from under the bus at the time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #211

.... Phlem Dec 2013 #201

We lost because Nite Owl Dec 2013 #210

Shhh. Phlem Dec 2013 #254

k/r 840high Dec 2013 #189

I will say that this is a very enlightening post. Phlem Dec 2013 #204

You'll let us know when that happens, right? brooklynite Dec 2013 #207

Do they have to be real progressives or is it good enough to imagine that they are? L0oniX Dec 2013 #213

Dude. That NEVER happens! Phlem Dec 2013 #218

LOL L0oniX Dec 2013 #220

I don't know what the right anwser is. Flatpicker Dec 2013 #219

I here ya and agree. Your vote is yours and you deserve to have a say in how things work. Phlem Dec 2013 #227

anything is better than having the Republicans in total control. Well, no, it isn't . AlbertCat Dec 2013 #221

You and...ahem...what army? tritsofme Dec 2013 #229

Yet at the same time there is an entire corporate brigade woo me with science Dec 2013 #430

+1 L0oniX Dec 2013 #436

It would be pretty silly to blame 2010 on a disaffected left. tritsofme Dec 2013 #447

A number of Republicans have moved to the Democratic Party complaining that their party left them. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #230

I prefer to have Republicans in office who have an R after their name rather than a D. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #231

Really? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #597

Americans will persist in their addiction to right-leaning Government... nikto Dec 2013 #233

Well said, kentuck! City Lights Dec 2013 #237

Your vote is the only power you have. Make them EARN it. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #238

If I kill myself, then they'll be sorry!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #242

perfect analogy treestar Dec 2013 #245

ROFL. eom Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #482

LMAO Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #514

Nice. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #515

Na, mocking whiners. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #543

This uponit7771 Dec 2013 #536

Good Democrats would never sell out we the people by supporting the narrow interests of those with indepat Dec 2013 #246

#21 You Threaten To Form Your Own Party If You Don't Get 100% of What You Want ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #253

And who are you to tell him to leave??? fadedrose Dec 2013 #279

I'm glad you acknowledge that President Obama is a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #288

You see, that's a problem for me too fadedrose Dec 2013 #314

Then maybe you should leave the D.U. as well ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #374

If Jeb Bush ran as a Dem, would you vote for him? NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #429

Only if he won the nomination... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #459

Yea ...we 3rd way centrists don't need or want their stinking votes. L0oniX Dec 2013 #437

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #483

k&r... spanone Dec 2013 #256

I largely agree Babel_17 Dec 2013 #257

That's some prime FUD right there... SidDithers Dec 2013 #268

Most Democrats cannot bring themselves to talk about it anymore. kentuck Dec 2013 #270

They do ProSense Dec 2013 #298

yep! Phlem Dec 2013 #306

Does that ProSense Dec 2013 #309

Yeah, he makes a speech like that while at the very same time... polichick Dec 2013 #317

Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #320

The TPP isn't even out of draft form yet. Phlem Dec 2013 #321

That Republican healthcare plan should've been a Democratic plan. polichick Dec 2013 #332

"That Republican healthcare plan " ProSense Dec 2013 #348

The joke's on you - that plan was hatched by the Heritage Foundation... polichick Dec 2013 #397

No, ProSense Dec 2013 #404

The important part to remember is what a real Dem plan would look like... polichick Dec 2013 #444

Some pathetic, diluted, sold out group of empty minds voting without principles and conscience??? L0oniX Dec 2013 #300

I suspect we might see the GOP vanish nationally because of the Tea Party. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #274

agreed. Can see this happening. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #427

It's the nature of the system to destroy such ideals... countryjake Dec 2013 #277

199 recs and counting. woo me with science Dec 2013 #296

Me think's some of them are their own enablers. Phlem Dec 2013 #305

This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #351

It's coming indeed - After years of slavish devotion all I can say is whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #359

We need to get our local elections back, then states back. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #368

I think gerrymandering has to be ended, also cprise Dec 2013 #462

We, as a nation, then are screwed. donheld Dec 2013 #370

. donheld Dec 2013 #372

. L0oniX Dec 2013 #450

Anyone who knows the difference between the two parties and wants equality for all and cares Sparky 1 Dec 2013 #373

These people are the reason the Democratic Party nearly went extinct in the 70s and 80s... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #378

You guys really need to update your bullshit talking points Union Scribe Dec 2013 #479

LOL so your point isn't even consistent then... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #484

Interesting you lump moderates and conservatives together. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #485

You didn't 'turn out as always'. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #501

Here's the ACTUAL story Union Scribe Dec 2013 #503

You proved my point - liberals don't turnout. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #525

BS. bvar22 Jan 2014 #707

I showed you proof... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #711

You haven't "shown" anybody anything. bvar22 Jan 2014 #717

You lose. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #718

Oh here we go again with TeaLeft extremism. Good. Stay home and BITCH again. Then when the ReSCUM RBInMaine Dec 2013 #379

moderates lost Dems 2010 Union Scribe Dec 2013 #387

Progressives are the Tparty's worst nightmare fadedrose Dec 2013 #389

Voting for a third Party is throwing away your vote. another_liberal Dec 2013 #390

What else is there? fadedrose Dec 2013 #394

You will only be helping a Republican win the White House. another_liberal Dec 2013 #398

That's my hunch too.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #405

The "3rd Way" is the old DLC. bvar22 Dec 2013 #591

"sorry" is the right word... fadedrose Dec 2013 #393

I think the only difference between the third way and Republicans is Phlem Dec 2013 #455

Well done! another_liberal Dec 2013 #545

years mtasselin Dec 2013 #395

Happy to kick this great OP and wonderful thread. DUer RC created this graphic to describe ... Scuba Dec 2013 #403

+ a few million. A perfect graphic! solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #424

+1 Nailed it. ^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #426

So Spot on! Phlem Dec 2013 #457

"Most Democrats do not want to hear this and refuse to accept that it will happen" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #407

Why be anti left Dem? What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left? L0oniX Dec 2013 #432

Because the third way trolls will berate you on DU. Phlem Dec 2013 #458

"What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left?" winter is coming Dec 2013 #471

death by a thousand cuts. Phlem Dec 2013 #516

A democracy is based on majority rule, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #556

Now that's funny. majority rule? Phlem Dec 2013 #558

As we've had for over two hundred years, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #571

... Phlem Dec 2013 #599

Most inteligent people know that the majority is not always correct. L0oniX Dec 2013 #562

Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #570

"Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote" L0oniX Dec 2013 #572

Absolutely, and you have a problem Progressive dog Dec 2013 #573

Why bother discussing anything with a 3rd way corporate centrist. L0oniX Dec 2013 #576

I don't know, When you learn to discuss anything with anyone, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #578

If democracy enables the 1% control our government and ignorant minds then it has failed... L0oniX Dec 2013 #580

I just wanted you to admit your dislike of democracy, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #585

I'm sure you know that this political message board is for progressives and not just democrats... L0oniX Dec 2013 #587

US progressives believe in our form of government, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #590

Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #592

"Project much?" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #594

I'll stop with this... you can go on ...but I'm done with responding to you. Not worth my free time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #596

If argument is measured by volume, you win Progressive dog Dec 2013 #603

They also know that enough money can convince the minority that they're the majority. winter is coming Dec 2013 #695

It's time, beacuse the 3rd way is the wrong way. raindaddy Dec 2013 #408

Run progresive candidates and I'll vote for them. 99Forever Dec 2013 #409

Don't try to convince me that I should take one for the team by voting for politicians GoneFishin Dec 2013 #411

Thank you for saying this Kentuck. dotymed Dec 2013 #412

Sounds like libdude Dec 2013 #428

it has long been inevitable stupidicus Dec 2013 #431

Just an observation, reading through these responses. woo me with science Dec 2013 #435

Mike Gravel said it: "Follow the Money!" L0oniX Dec 2013 #441

I love Mike Gravel. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #464

We need him in office. L0oniX Dec 2013 #469

Always about money. Always. woo me with science Dec 2013 #618

Great post, as usual - I would just suggest one thing... polichick Dec 2013 #445

Message was hidden by jury decision. L0oniX Dec 2013 #448

I think you are right about needing to do an end run. woo me with science Dec 2013 #616

I think that it is perhaps more fundamentally about corporations than money Agony Dec 2013 #452

I agree it's a worthwhile effort. woo me with science Dec 2013 #619

The League of Women Voters "Nailed It" back in 1988... bvar22 Dec 2013 #472

+1 This should be its own op. L0oniX Dec 2013 #586

Excellent post. woo me with science Dec 2013 #615

Excellent reminder....and it was a loss when we look at the way the debates KoKo Dec 2013 #690

"It's About The Money!" Shhhh..... KoKo Dec 2013 #689

There is no way that Dems escape their RW "corporate phase" without a paying a price Teamster Jeff Dec 2013 #446

Jeff, the Teamsters are paying a price for their "corporate phase" c'est pas. n/t saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #456

We don't provide most of the money to the Party, but we are essential to its electability. leveymg Dec 2013 #453

Thank you kentuck, speaking for myself, saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #460

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #466

nothing PatrynXX Dec 2013 #468

Wish I could give this another Rec. bvar22 Dec 2013 #473

Yes. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #476

Were tired of these threats. Just leave and join the Green Party treestar Dec 2013 #491

Judging by your active participation in this thread Union Scribe Dec 2013 #495

I'm not threatening to leave the party for the nine millionth time treestar Dec 2013 #502

OMG Phlem Dec 2013 #561

We ARE the Party! Who is this 'we' you are talking about? You don't seem comfortable here among sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #706

(snicker) BKH70041 Dec 2013 #494

Crass bobduca Dec 2013 #684

So you are saying this because of the Tea Party? Rex Dec 2013 #499

K & R democrank Dec 2013 #504

Seems a long time coming. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #526

Do whatever you damn well please and form another party. Beacool Dec 2013 #527

It's ours. We're taking back the keys. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #528

No, it isn't. Beacool Dec 2013 #529

It's our turn. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #530

No, it belongs to the people. Not the groups that pull out Koch money... woo me with science Dec 2013 #546

Ha! Phlem Dec 2013 #559

That�s the illusion of any real difference speaking, backed up by no real change. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #534

That's all you have? Fear? Nothing about how your candidate... polichick Dec 2013 #551

"My candidate" hasn't even announced that she's running. Beacool Dec 2013 #553

If she does run and become prez, will she put the people ahead of corporations? polichick Dec 2013 #554

Crickets. Phlem Dec 2013 #560

Yeah, even her supporters know who would come first in an HRC admin. polichick Dec 2013 #563

No it isn't. sagat Dec 2013 #531

Agreed. As many Democrats say they support Hillary as supported any Democratic Presidential stevenleser Dec 2013 #535

Well then IMO we have something in common with the 1% and the corporations. L0oniX Dec 2013 #598

If corporate Hillary wins don't blame me. I won't vote for her under any circumstances. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #542

That's what the Tea Party said about Romney, and look how well it turned out for them. Beacool Dec 2013 #552

GOTV is now the problem, since the 'beaten downs' know the rich and their two parties don't need ancianita Dec 2013 #544

lord have mercy arely staircase Dec 2013 #557

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Dec 2013 #568

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #577

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #593

The OP and this whole thread is pretty sickening Sheepshank Dec 2013 #595

Post any kind of divisive %$&* stirring and the usual folks get in line to lick the spoon. great white snark Dec 2013 #620

What's funny is watching the numbskulls call those NOT in favor of burning Number23 Dec 2013 #627

I KNOW!!! bvar22 Dec 2013 #632

May your 2014 be better than your 2013. Number23 Dec 2013 #634

What do you expect from people that believe 5 people trump 300? Rex Dec 2013 #638

This thread is a perfect showcase. bvar22 Dec 2013 #651

Extremely important statement. Feral Child Dec 2013 #610

Great job Kentuck! Phlem Dec 2013 #611

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #662

Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers: "Real Change Is Closer Than You Think" proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #621

Good to see this OP still going strong. Autumn Dec 2013 #624

Who is on or 'not on' the REC list is an interesting read. I'm in. eom Purveyor Dec 2013 #628

Waaaa waaaaaa!! Mommy, daddy! The bad thread won't stop! Rex Dec 2013 #629

LOL... bvar22 Jan 2014 #714

We should keep this thread kicked all of 2014! Rex Jan 2014 #724

You guys rock DU. The Democratic Party? Not so much. Looks like you marshalled all the forces.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #635

Oh my God, that graphic sums up this thread so perfectly Number23 Dec 2013 #637

300 recs = an "illusion" of grandeur. Hell, you could pick up 300 recs from the tree place, y'know? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #639

ROFLLL at that pic!!! Girl, your graphics hit HOME every single time. Number23 Dec 2013 #640

Another kick so the RIGHT people don't miss this thread! Rex Dec 2013 #636

K & R. n/t GoneFishin Dec 2013 #642

I'm sorry, as a minority lgbt female, I do not have any choice but to vote for Democrats. If Zorra Dec 2013 #643

That is exactly what they are "banking" you will think. bvar22 Dec 2013 #645

I'm sure you're aware that I know that. My hope is that we can Zorra Dec 2013 #653

That's a powerful visual - disgusting, but powerful. polichick Jan 2014 #713

K&R Crewleader Dec 2013 #658

Happy New Year, Old Friend! kentuck Dec 2013 #659

You speak the truth my friend Crewleader Dec 2013 #674

another kick so minority gets it. Phlem Dec 2013 #663

I think that's a load of horse shit Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #667

You're a "moderate". You're part of the problem. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #694

moderates pay the bills Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #699

I think most of us realized TBF Dec 2013 #671

Could you provide a list of approved Democrats XRubicon Dec 2013 #675

This implies that there is no difference between republicans and Democrats, and I reject that lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #676

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Dec 2013 #678

Sensitive aren't you. I did NOT imply you should or should not leave, YOU DID in your OP. lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #679

I'm just sick of people that cannot or will not fight back. kentuck Dec 2013 #680

I agree. Bill Clinton, I believe, set the foundation for where the Democratic party is today, lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #681

So Bill Clinton Democrats "left" the Democratic Party? kentuck Dec 2013 #682

He definitely moved it to the right, and his policies of deregulation were right out of lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #683

l hope Warren runs too XRubicon Dec 2013 #685

I think so too. At the very least her candidacy would force an honesty on the other candidates lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #686

I believed the same about Kucinich's candidacy. bvar22 Dec 2013 #691

You have a point, but I think it might be different with Warren, maybe wishful thinking lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #704

You have a point too. bvar22 Jan 2014 #708

Kentuck, dear one... fadedrose Dec 2013 #693

I think some folks will realize... kentuck Dec 2013 #696

How bout that list? XRubicon Dec 2013 #697

If you don't know, I can't help you. kentuck Dec 2013 #698

I thought you knew who the good Democrats are??? XRubicon Dec 2013 #700

If they have a "D" by their name...? kentuck Dec 2013 #701

Thanks, Happy New Year XRubicon Dec 2013 #702

Who are the good Democrats? bvar22 Jan 2014 #733

Now we are getting somewhere XRubicon Jan 2014 #738

Funny post kentuck messiah Dec 2013 #703

This is worth kicking into the New Year. bvar22 Jan 2014 #709

MUHAHAHAHA YOU FOOLS! TPTB ARE TAKING OVER WITH THE CENTRIST PARTY! L0oniX Jan 2014 #710

K&R - This thread has been around for days now... Jasana Jan 2014 #712

THere is no Backlash from the Left , most are working within the party or on their own JI7 Jan 2014 #722

What a thread! nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #723

EJ Dionne has a good editorial on the reemergence of a Democratic left Gothmog Jan 2014 #730

Excellent points YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #734

Morning kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #732

Afternoon kick. Autumn Jan 2014 #737

Evening kick. Phlem Jan 2014 #739

See post 738 XRubicon Jan 2014 #740

Who ever replied to this, your on IGNORE. Phlem Jan 2014 #741

I knew that you had me on ignore, you are afraid of ideas... XRubicon Jan 2014 #742

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #743

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #744

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #745

Wanted to KICK this important thread. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #746

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #747

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #748

Happy to see this inspiring thread again! polichick Jan 2014 #749