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etherealtruth

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30. Your points a,b,and c are very valid and extremely important

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 08:16 AM

Jan 2014

The problem I have seen here is that well respected, peer reviewed work (often coming out of highly respected universities) is being jeered at by some (many?).

All sides need to take a close look at what they are criticizing and make sure they even understand what is being discussed and what the actual conclusions are.

I despise "woo", but may classify what is and what is not woo differently than others. All alternative therapies are not woo in my mind ... there are a number that have some proven efficacy ... but, I want to see evidence of the efficacy. When the opposite is true and reputable study after study indicates that a treatment (supplement, therapy ... ) is ineffective (or worse, dangerous) I am going to pass.

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As a scientifically minded person. The propensity for the left to go for "woo"... [View all] Locut0s Jan 2014 OP

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not necessarily observer bias eShirl Jan 2014 #14

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Ad Hominem Attacks - The Worst Of The Logical Fallacies cantbeserious Jan 2014 #67

Please go learn what an "ad hominem attack" is. gcomeau Jan 2014 #68

Once Again - An Ad Hominem Attack - Vacuous Accusations cantbeserious Jan 2014 #72

Wow, you really do like to use terms you don't understand don't you? gcomeau Jan 2014 #73

Wow - Deflection Of The Highest Order - Well Played cantbeserious Jan 2014 #74

Pointing out what is happening is "deflection" now? gcomeau Jan 2014 #75

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exactly - thanks for getting it Locrian Jan 2014 #24

Your points a,b,and c are very valid and extremely important etherealtruth Jan 2014 #30

Woo is just..... BrainDrain Jan 2014 #23

Then acupuncture is not "woo," despite the repeated claims here. pnwmom Jan 2014 #27

The "woo" in acupuncture is the attempts to explain how it works. jeff47 Jan 2014 #54

The western doctors who use it acknowledge they don't know how or why it works. pnwmom Jan 2014 #71

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Ha! I think you may be right. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #53

You are not a doctor. NOBODY asked you for medical advice. Romulox Jan 2014 #34

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There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. What is wrong is the obsession some have with liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #39

I rec this post. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #61

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yes. thankyou. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #62

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For cripes sake... gcomeau Jan 2014 #64

For cripes sake, nobody said it was. Think harder. polichick Jan 2014 #80

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Woo is literally killing people. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #55

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Not just more ... but, widely accepted! etherealtruth Jan 2014 #65

Woo isn't specific to a party. Just ignore the nutters. Xithras Jan 2014 #66

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I don't think liberals are any more prone to woo. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #69

Oh good grief, stop with the woo!!! Will hide any post I see with that word. madfloridian Jan 2014 #78

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