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71. The western doctors who use it acknowledge they don't know how or why it works.

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:50 PM

Jan 2014

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But the fact that they don't understand why it works does not make it woo. The same thing is true of a lot of accepted practices of western medicine.

One of my relatives has a serious, chronic medical condition. She has been offered more than one possible conventional treatment by highly respected doctors, who have explained that they don't know why it works, but it does. This isn't unusual, even within western medicine. When a drug is past patent protection, drug companies won't pay to do the research, so doctors acquire their own evidence. Anecdotally.

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