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In reply to the discussion: After 43 Years, Activists Admit Theft At FBI Office That Exposed Domestic Spying - NBCNews [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)71. So....Obama and Holder AREN'T the bad guys? That's a switch, particularly here.
Perhaps Congress could call in some of the leadership of the agencies marked in red in your first link, and give them a talking-to? They sure love the pompous "call on the carpet" thing over nothing, it would be nice to see them demand an overhaul from those in non-compliance and require them to give regular updates, as they do for so much other stuff.
Your last (non DU) excerpt I believe came from here -- I note that a lot of the agencies that AP looked at were the problematic ones in red in the first link, which could skew their overall results.
The 33 agencies that AP examined were: Agency for International Development, CIA, Agriculture Department, Commerce Department, Consumer Product Safety Commission, Defense Department, Education Department, Energy Department, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Interior Department, Justice Department, Labor Department, State Department, Transportation Department, Treasury Department, Department of Veterans Affairs, Environmental Protection Agency, Federal Communications Commission, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Federal Election Commission, Federal Trade Commission, NASA, National Science Foundation, National Transportation Safety Board, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Management and Budget, Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Securities and Exchange Commission, Small Business Administration, the Social Security Administration and the U.S. Postal Service.
That said, there's no reason why, now, particularly, they can't get off their asses and be responsive. If they don't have a knowledgeable FOIA facilitator on their staffs, they need to gin up some training and make that happen. If it were me in charge, I'd do an interagency training program, and run it in modules in a distance-learning format--like "Khan Academy" for FOIA. That way anyone could access it without having to go on temporary assignment to some stupid sleepy slideshow training. Then, when they were done, they could take an online test and be certified in the process.
As someone who has been on the receiving end of FOIAs in the military sphere, I can tell you that at least half the time, the "denial" has more to do with shitty filing/recordkeeping or the fact that records are, as a matter of routine, purged every two to three years than nefariousness. Other times, the Privacy Act gets in the way. That said, I had to laugh at the email from the O-4. Talk about incompetent! Imagine the humiliation of having to go to work at OPNAV every day, and having everyone from the E-1 who just reported aboard to the four stars in the passageways giving ya the "You dumbass" stink-eye!
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After 43 Years, Activists Admit Theft At FBI Office That Exposed Domestic Spying - NBCNews [View all]
WillyT
Jan 2014
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Sen. Wyden was warning about problems with the surveillance of some sort before Snowden
JDPriestly
Jan 2014
#26
Congress IS capable of conducting hearings in closed session, and if you don't think that staffers
MADem
Jan 2014
#33
I get the impression Rand Paul is only making a big deal out of this....
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2014
#55
What happened to the leaker of Valerie Plame's identity and undercover work? So Congress held
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#74
Code Pink made a mockery of those hearings, which resulted in very little coverage.
MADem
Jan 2014
#75
Can't answer the question? I can, NOTHING happened to the leaker. Thanks Congress.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#78
What do you mean, "can't answer the question?" Your memory is faulty. The leaker was convicted.
MADem
Jan 2014
#79
Libby was convicted of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. You know what that means don't you? He
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#80
I and most Democrats are more than familiar with all that happened during what at one time, looked
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#83
So what's your solution? "Slash and burn?" "Throw 'em all out" because they didn't
MADem
Jan 2014
#86
My solution was to elect Dems in 2008. Remember? What is yours, to give up and accept it? All the
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#87
Mmm, Ellsberg suffered the same attacks when he decided that the welfare of the country and the
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#73
Ellsberg didn't run away, and he didn't write letters to foreign governments offering his services.
MADem
Jan 2014
#76
Actually, he did go into hiding. But, quite a few people at the RAND corp knew were certain who
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#82
No. I won't give it up. And so happy that these people who allegedly were you, praised Snowden
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#19
Your itch, in less than eight paragraphs, is infected. Get some ointment on it. nt
MADem
Jan 2014
#34
Indeed. I have. You are my ointment. And a very satisfying ointment you are.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#36
Clearly. You haven't a clue. Looking forward to your 8 paragraph rebuttal
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#11
Really. You cover yourself with the mantle of those who exposed FBI un-Constitutional surveillance..
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#24
If they are so honorable, why didn't they expose themselves from the get go?
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#29
I think the poster is pointing out that some others here would call them cowards
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#51
I would be more impressed with their courage if they had nof waited 43 years to come forward.
Jenoch
Jan 2014
#31
Hahahaha!!!! Their courage was the original theft. They've come forward to support Snowden.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#32
I guess it proves the FBI was no more competent 43 years ago than they are now
Savannahmann
Jan 2014
#46
I wonder about the posters here, who have a problem with the people exposing unlawful and
RC
Jan 2014
#59
Posted this earlier, but wanted to add here that this story is currently on (free) Hulu
Le Taz Hot
Jan 2014
#77