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Swede Atlanta

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30. Bluenorthwest

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:36 AM

Jan 2014

I am a gay man.

Are you suggesting that my post was directed at you in a hurtful manner? If so please explain why.

All I was suggesting was some perceive a significant shift in the church's attitude toward LGBT persons and I am saying that if you carefully parse his words I am not sure there is a big shift away from the "love/hate" language that has been part and parcel of not only the RCC but many other Christian churches for decades.

As well I am suggesting he is trying to refocus the church on addressing issues that are of central concern in parts of the world where the church is growing and away from issues that continue to churn in the developed world where the church is not growing or is at best holding its own.

As a gay man I am also offended by the love/hate statements because they are totally incongruous with my faith tradition and my own life experience.

I hope Francis' words turn into broader actions and that we do in fact see an open dialogue within the RCC (not my faith tradition) about the issues he feels have hurt the church including their exclusion and denigration of homosexual persons.

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Pope Francis sets out vision for more gay people and women in 'new' church [View all] Katashi_itto Jan 2014 OP

Wow! yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #1

Exactly, they seem to be highly upset that he just doenst change stuff overnight Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #2

People said the that same type of condescending bullshit to blacks back in the day. Zorra Jan 2014 #41

+1 deutsey Jan 2014 #6

+1 Dawgs Jan 2014 #26

I don't give a shit what he does with his church. I want him and the RCC to stop actively and PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #3

That is what he is trying to do yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #5

until he explicitly tells his "flock" to stop lobbying against our rights, it means nothing PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #8

He does not seem to have any control over the US Bishops who are waging riversedge Jan 2014 #9

Amen. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #12

upon further reflection, I think he has perfect control of them PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #20

Last week he elevated to Cardinal Gerhard Muller, the Benedict appointed head of the Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #37

Hear hear! ananda Jan 2014 #31

I guess weissmam Jan 2014 #4

As long as he and the church keep squashing our rights legislatively PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #7

Thats my attitude. I mean, reality is you have 1 Billion plus followers. Would you rather their Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #11

Don't ask those being condemned by a hate preacher to be delighted at half Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #17

Yes and we covered this before Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #28

So where is the apology for his libels and slanders against my community? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #33

The moral edifice has already collapsed - if it ever existed. n/t seaglass Jan 2014 #10

A "collapsed" moral edifice still with a billion plus followers, still seems pretty influential Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #14

To an extent. I was raised a Catholic, I know many Catholics, and most I know are seaglass Jan 2014 #36

Yes, except thats still a far cry from your "collapsed moral edifice" Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #54

I'm not a Catholic, cafeteria or otherwise. It is my opinion that the Catholic Church is immoral. seaglass Jan 2014 #55

Well subtract your family out and it's still running at a billion plus. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #56

It doesn't matter to me how many people love the Pope - did you know over 90% of Americans seaglass Jan 2014 #58

Did I say change your mind? Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #59

Getting bored. See ya. n/t seaglass Jan 2014 #60

Throwing money changers out of the temple, or at least their bank. Being polite and respectful to jtuck004 Jan 2014 #13

To make amends for his years of hate speech and attacks on us Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #15

This is the "catholicism wow!" campaign from Dogma and Francis is Buddy Christ. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #18

Exactly. Francis Pope Superstar, Media Edition Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #24

It's Film Friday, in honor of the Oscar Nominations! Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #25

lol. ok, shitty photoshop time, too! PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #32

The RCC is a hate group. If it's ever to change direction, which will take a generational shift, I yodermon Jan 2014 #61

While I am pleased with a new tone and focus with this pope read his words very carefully....... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #16

Thanks for your honesty. They all say 'hate the sin, not the sinner' in varous ways Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #22

Bluenorthwest Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #30

I thanked you for your honest reading of Francis 'love the sinner, hate the sin' BS Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #34

Thanks.....you and I are in total agreement Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #44

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The church only wants married people having sex. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #48

Yeah they only want married people to have sex... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #52

I am a Buddhist and I love this Pope! vlyons Jan 2014 #19

Some pretty slick parsing of words, there...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #21

I assume, Sid, that his one billiion followers do not have good reading Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #23

That's right. Your reading comprehension is better than all 1 billion Catholics' reading comp. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #38

I guess these guys didn't get the message theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #45

I don't understand what this has to do with my post. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #46

Hopefully, these baby steps will evolve further Ilsa Jan 2014 #27

Small steps are better than no steps get the red out Jan 2014 #29

Small steps are a luxury they can not afford. Uganda's largest religious group is RCC Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #35

I wish he would get the red out Jan 2014 #42

So... No actual change, just a 'hey guys, lets not focus so much on condemning' Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #39

I will give credit where (and when) credit is due. Still, eShirl Jan 2014 #40

Yeah, it even works here on DU theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #43

Do you understand the importance of the imagery and the *changes* IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #51

Its reached the point of prosthelytizing theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #53

What was that? Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #49

At least the dude is smart enough to see religion is dying snooper2 Jan 2014 #50

"A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality." Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #57

Yep Sgent Jan 2014 #62