Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
Showing Original Post only (View all)The Racist Origins of the term “Thug”. [View all]
Interesting article purporting to explain the historically racial connotations of the word thug.The word tuggee comes from Hindi thag thief, from Sanskrit sthaga scoundrel, from sthagati to conceal. It was an Indian network of secret fraternities, cult-like in many ways, who were engaged in robbing and killing British colonialist. To the British, any brown-skinned face that they saw on the road, or in their imagination, was a thug coming to get them, while they innocently made their way through the lands they exploited and colonized.
This is the origin of the term thug, as many Indian words passed into common English during British Imperial rule of India. British colonists, however, did not refer to other European imperialists as thugs, it was specifically a term in British parlance for the dark skinned natives that they feared.
This is the origin of the term thug, as many Indian words passed into common English during British Imperial rule of India. British colonists, however, did not refer to other European imperialists as thugs, it was specifically a term in British parlance for the dark skinned natives that they feared.
The article also mentions what deceased rapper Tupac Shakur had to say about it way back in 1993:
Cause these white folks see us as thugs
I dont care if you think you a lawyer, if you a man, if you an African-American
If you whatever the f*ck you think you are
We thugs and n*gg@s to these motherf*ckers
I dont care if you think you a lawyer, if you a man, if you an African-American
If you whatever the f*ck you think you are
We thugs and n*gg@s to these motherf*ckers
On edit: As I said, above, the article purports to show historical racist usage of thug. I don't claim to know if that is correct. But a lot of this thread has been focused more on whether or not thug is currently a racist word. I believe that when certain people use the term thug far more readily to describe a black male than a white male, despite the behavior or characteristics of the white and black males in question being the same, then it is being used in a racist way.
Some argue that this isn't happening because they haven't personally have witnessed it, which seems a pretty weak argument.
However, I do think some are reacting as if they are being accused of being racist if they use the word thug. In my opinion anyway, not every use of the word thug is racist. However, don't be surprised if you call a black male a thug and he takes it as racist.
84 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
It's called reappropriation. Maybe you should do a little light reading on it.
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#83
Dammit. I hate when I do that! Link added. Thanks for the heads up.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#3
I think this isn't quite correct. It wasn't particularly "British colonialists" the thuggee
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#6
So then, it's not quite complete. But clearly the writer was just focusing on how the word came
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#7
I think the author's linking the British use of the word under colonialism to current use is kind
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#39
They never try to back up their claim that the British used it as a racial term
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2014
#80
I don't know, maybe as far detached from specificity as your response.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#11
It *is* about usage. But it's not about what *you* hear. It's nice for you that you don't
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#34
That would be a reasonable objection if the author claimed the word "thug" was racist simply
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#12
What is it that you just don't see? And, surely you don't believe that that of which you are unaware
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#15
The word thug *can* be used to describe any dangerous man or women. In fact, any word, *can* be
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#28
the word boondocks comes from the Filipino tagalog word bundoks which means mountains
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#17
Yeah, kind of in the same way that the etymology of "whore" refers to girl?
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#24
Of course any word *can* be used in *any* way. But the current discussion is about the fact that
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#38
It may be used in a racist way today (though I don't think so). But that has nothing to do
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#41
Are you using Raymond Chandler's 1950's books to support your claim about usage in the Indian
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#44
Yes, because it demonstrates that there is no such straight line between British usage during
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#46
Defending the article like it's gold? Where do you get that? In fact, please note that this is my
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#47
Richard Sherman sure seems to think it's racist. He made the comment that no one
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#22
Wellllll, what does he know? I mean, some dudes here on DU never heard that shit, so Sherman's
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#33
Yet I'd wager that Trayvon Martin was called a thug about a thousand times as often as Zimmy was.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#29
If you examine the results for Zimmerman thug, a large number of them are people responding to those
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#43
I'm not going to argue about something so meaningless. The fact is that thug has been widely
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#45
Oh. I see. Your argument doesn't hold water, so suddenly the discussion is meaningless. Riiiiihgt.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#49
It wasn't an "argument". The number of hits a phrase gets on the internet is essentially meaning-
El_Johns
Jan 2014
#52
No shit, Sherlock! That's what I was telling you. YOU're the one who posted your pointless search
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#55
Ha! That was awesome! I can't wait to check out some of his other ones.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#30
and just why is the media concentrating on Sherman and Derrick Coleman is getting no
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#32
Most news outlets cater to the lowest instincts of the human race. Sadly, that's what sells.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#35
K&R This & the frequent use of the term by authoritarians to describe union members is why I am a Thug.
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#51
The thuggees were a specific Indian cult that went in for murdering people, not just any Indians.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#54
What's your point? Does the article say thuggees went in for murdering just any Indians?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#56
Sure, any word CAN be used in a racist way. We're talking about this particular word that IS
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#60
Does this mean "union thugs" refers only to non-white members of a union? n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#63