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dipsydoodle

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62. Yes
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:47 AM
Jan 2014

Conveys anyone who inflicts extreme violence regardless of whether they are black or white whatvever. Sometimes..........I recall a woman here in the UK knee capping another woman at the local shopping centre , using a a pick axe handle with a 6" nail driven though the end , one sunny Saturday afternoon, and yes she was white.

I suppose some of our football hooligans could so be described are too regardless of race or ethnic origin. Same applies to the whole of Europe.

I have no concept of the background to the current obsession of attempts to redifine words. I've never know the word to be used in a racist fashion and until recently don't recall the word being used here on DU over the past 7 years at all.

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The Racist Origins of the term “Thug”. [View all] Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 OP
Tupac wasn't exactly fleeing from the term XemaSab Jan 2014 #1
About that... Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #5
And what about the machine gun? XemaSab Jan 2014 #9
Oh, now I see what you're trying to do. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #14
"50 Niggaz" Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #19
Here's my problem with Tupac: XemaSab Jan 2014 #40
All of this has traveled so far over your head. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #58
You don't know anything about me XemaSab Jan 2014 #61
It's called reappropriation. Maybe you should do a little light reading on it. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #83
Once again with the ad hominem Shivering Jemmy Jan 2014 #65
Here's where thugging leads: XemaSab Jan 2014 #81
You forgot to include the link to the article. scarletwoman Jan 2014 #2
Dammit. I hate when I do that! Link added. Thanks for the heads up. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #3
You're welcome. Happens to all of us. scarletwoman Jan 2014 #4
I think this isn't quite correct. It wasn't particularly "British colonialists" the thuggee El_Johns Jan 2014 #6
So then, it's not quite complete. But clearly the writer was just focusing on how the word came Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #7
I think the author's linking the British use of the word under colonialism to current use is kind El_Johns Jan 2014 #39
They never try to back up their claim that the British used it as a racial term muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #80
Oh brother. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #8
I don't know, maybe as far detached from specificity as your response. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #11
maybe what matters is currently useage Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #31
It *is* about usage. But it's not about what *you* hear. It's nice for you that you don't Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #34
and some choose to hear Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #48
No, the claim doesn't make it so. Nevertheless, it is so. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #53
there is racism... Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #57
Fairly simple concept. Inkfreak Jan 2014 #68
the constantly offended Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #69
This makes about as much sense as saying that "pundit" is racist DavidDvorkin Jan 2014 #10
That would be a reasonable objection if the author claimed the word "thug" was racist simply Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #12
I grew up hearing "thug" used to refer to dangerous white men DavidDvorkin Jan 2014 #13
What is it that you just don't see? And, surely you don't believe that that of which you are unaware Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #15
It does refer to dangerous men (and women), of any race. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #16
Why would you think the incident needs deflecting from? morningfog Jan 2014 #18
You'd have to ask the one deflecting the attetion. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #20
I am. morningfog Jan 2014 #21
Or so you think. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #23
It seems your knowledge of modern cultural history is rather limited sammythecat Jan 2014 #72
The word thug *can* be used to describe any dangerous man or women. In fact, any word, *can* be Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #28
I use it to describe Zimpig JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #64
I've always kind of suspected that algebra is racist. Orrex Jan 2014 #71
the word boondocks comes from the Filipino tagalog word bundoks which means mountains Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #17
Yeah, kind of in the same way that the etymology of "whore" refers to girl? Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #24
I have no idea what you are talking about. Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #25
Of course any word *can* be used in *any* way. But the current discussion is about the fact that Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #38
It may be used in a racist way today (though I don't think so). But that has nothing to do El_Johns Jan 2014 #41
Are you using Raymond Chandler's 1950's books to support your claim about usage in the Indian Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #44
Yes, because it demonstrates that there is no such straight line between British usage during El_Johns Jan 2014 #46
Defending the article like it's gold? Where do you get that? In fact, please note that this is my Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author El_Johns Jan 2014 #50
It's tricky, that one. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #78
Richard Sherman sure seems to think it's racist. He made the comment that no one liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #22
Wellllll, what does he know? I mean, some dudes here on DU never heard that shit, so Sherman's Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #33
"NHL Video: 50 Biggest Thugs in Hockey History | Bleacher Report" Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #84
Surly George Zimmerman is the quintessential thug? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #26
Yet I'd wager that Trayvon Martin was called a thug about a thousand times as often as Zimmy was. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #29
I actually get more hits for Zimmerman. El_Johns Jan 2014 #42
If you examine the results for Zimmerman thug, a large number of them are people responding to those Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #43
I'm not going to argue about something so meaningless. The fact is that thug has been widely El_Johns Jan 2014 #45
Oh. I see. Your argument doesn't hold water, so suddenly the discussion is meaningless. Riiiiihgt. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #49
It wasn't an "argument". The number of hits a phrase gets on the internet is essentially meaning- El_Johns Jan 2014 #52
No shit, Sherlock! That's what I was telling you. YOU're the one who posted your pointless search Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #55
That reminds me... killbotfactory Jan 2014 #27
Ha! That was awesome! I can't wait to check out some of his other ones. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #30
and just why is the media concentrating on Sherman and Derrick Coleman is getting no liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #32
Most news outlets cater to the lowest instincts of the human race. Sadly, that's what sells. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #35
See also "barbarian", "philistine" n/t Silent3 Jan 2014 #36
I've already seen them. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #37
K&R This & the frequent use of the term by authoritarians to describe union members is why I am a Thug. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #51
The thuggees were a specific Indian cult that went in for murdering people, not just any Indians. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #54
What's your point? Does the article say thuggees went in for murdering just any Indians? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #56
Yes, but people also call white men, and sometimes women, thugs. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #59
Sure, any word CAN be used in a racist way. We're talking about this particular word that IS Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #60
Yes dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #62
Does this mean "union thugs" refers only to non-white members of a union? n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #63
Although I had never looked up the word left is right Jan 2014 #66
thug is a good word, and I'll keep using it when I think it fits quinnox Jan 2014 #67
When I was young in the 80s, I recognized the word "thug" as being about gollygee Jan 2014 #70
That's pretty close to my experience with the term Orrex Jan 2014 #73
I agree. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #75
Yeah, I remember how often the "thug" word was used to Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #74
Well, it appears to be shifting to a race-based term, but MineralMan Jan 2014 #76
Joh Kerry used the word ''thug" to describe Assad, A 'Thug And Murderer' Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #77
There's no whining in football. Sherman is the badass bully on the block. Just ask him. Baclava Jan 2014 #79
So I guess "rethuglican" won't be seen at DU again huh? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #82
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