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23. Will, I didn't see it, and I won't see it

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 11:01 PM

Jan 2014

as I am sick enough already with the cold weather and some nasty bug.

But I've seen enough of these grotesque dog-and-pony SOTUs to not only believe you, but to feel queasy myself. And I know it's not something I ate, either.

Thanks for watching it, so I didn't have to. There's only so much pain a body can stand. I owe you one.

PS: I have a Vietnam vet for a neighbor...a totally inoffensive, disabled man (closed head injury, I believe, and some mental disability). He's hard to converse with, because of it. He's not living on the streets because he has family with money to keep him housed and all.

NO MORE VETERANS! AND NO MORE VICTIMS! NO COLLATERAL DAMAGE--THAT DISGUSTING EUPHEMISM!

NO MORE DRONES! NO MORE SPECIAL OPS! NO MORE WARS OF AGGRESSION, INTERVENTION, OPTION.

YANKEE COME HOME!

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Fuck. [View all] WilliamPitt Jan 2014 OP

Wow, one of the most irrational take aways from any speech ever. phleshdef Jan 2014 #1

You could begin by addressing why we should be proud that there exists the morningfog Jan 2014 #4

Oh I think thats absolutely insane. But the OP missed the point. Chris Hayes got it right though. phleshdef Jan 2014 #6

All by the Commander in Chief perpetrating said permanent war footing. morningfog Jan 2014 #9

. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #40

THANK YOU Skittles Jan 2014 #210

No. Korea was part of the axis.. fadedrose Jan 2014 #395

Do you know that Kim killed all of his uncles relatives too? AAO Jan 2014 #415

Somebody make him read a biography of Alexander the Great? aquart Jan 2014 #437

To be fair, all the old style was not just killing family fadedrose Jan 2014 #469

Our government doesn't give half a shit what other governments do to their own people yurbud Jan 2014 #601

Tweety just gushed over that "remove us from permanent war footing" line dflprincess Jan 2014 #11

"we haven't seen much movement in that direction" = total bullshit phleshdef Jan 2014 #195

But, I don't disagree with you at all. pangaia Jan 2014 #357

No, because now we have drones! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2014 #452

Forgot about the obstructionist congress have you? MynameisBlarney Jan 2014 #367

The President avoided war in Eygpt, Libya and Syria brush Jan 2014 #398

It was. 840high Jan 2014 #466

I read recently that 18 veterans of these horrendous, WRONG, wars commit suicide in this country sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #59

sabrina 1... DonViejo Jan 2014 #90

Odd, that makes two people less interested in the suicide rate among veterans sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Jan 2014 #343

Thought you might be interested in DonViejo Jan 2014 #352

I didn't ask about the suicides because I'm well aware of the DonViejo Jan 2014 #348

I don't agree heaven05 Jan 2014 #359

I don't need your condescension either... DonViejo Jan 2014 #361

I hope she heaven05 Jan 2014 #368

No problem and DonViejo Jan 2014 #372

Thank you. The information on the breakfasts had just been sent to me by a Veteran. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #497

no apologies needed, ever heaven05 Jan 2014 #607

I am also aware of the suicide heaven05 Jan 2014 #364

So glad you were able to help that young veteran. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #619

yep, our vet health system is heaven05 Jan 2014 #620

I believe I already provided you with that information. Yes, I was misinformed and corrected it sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #496

So you lied about the breakfasts.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #626

Chow Down sheshe2 Jan 2014 #149

those darn "FACTS" getting in the way of a good narrative again huh? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #240

Hard to believe VR... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author Chiquitita Jan 2014 #329

and right here on D.U.!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #441

Would you like some information on the suicide rate among the troops which was my sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #259

I am well aware of the veterans that are left behind. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #274

We just lost a veteran also. You wanted to play a game, and it disgusted me, sorry. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #277

Amazing heartfelt statement, I would thank yet it was not. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #287

No, you're not sorry for any pain and harm that happened to me or my family which I deliberately sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #291

Disgusting run you're on. Desert805 Jan 2014 #541

Standing up for the troops has always been a 'disgusting run' to those who have supported sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #544

Yuck. Desert805 Jan 2014 #603

Yuck indeed. Yuck to war, yuck to lies about war. Yuck to wars for profit, yuck to sending sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #613

Your schtik Desert805 Jan 2014 #615

Thanks, clever was not the goal. Just facts. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #616

Ok Desert805 Jan 2014 #618

You respond to news of her brother's suicide by claiming she won a "tiny Internet game?" msanthrope Jan 2014 #374

No, actually but don't let that stop you. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #434

Par for the course. joshcryer Jan 2014 #551

Your "shame on you" is a thinly veiled "fuck you". cui bono Jan 2014 #278

Thank you cui bono. No, I don't change my principles based on politics. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #282

Thank you for all your informative posts. cui bono Jan 2014 #290

Really? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #292

Nice try, but that deflection doesn't work. cui bono Jan 2014 #295

Oh I got it! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #298

Wow. Can't address what I say so you twist it all up to try to make me have said cui bono Jan 2014 #299

That's the tactic. Bvar posted wmws's description of internet deflection tactics below and what sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #559

It wasn't part of the post you were addressing... joshcryer Jan 2014 #556

Again, you are missing the point. cui bono Jan 2014 #568

Thanks for the dismissal. joshcryer Jan 2014 #573

Oh, and your moral judgment of me after you incorrectly decided what I thought was fine with you. cui bono Jan 2014 #576

I didn't say anything about your thoughts. joshcryer Jan 2014 #580

"because you thought it more important to defend an anonymous Internet poster than show compassion cui bono Jan 2014 #581

That is precisely what happened. joshcryer Jan 2014 #583

First of all, I edited my post while you were responding because I can see what you're saying cui bono Jan 2014 #584

I appreciate the edit. joshcryer Jan 2014 #589

eloquent. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #597

I have asked you several times now to stop following me around this forum and using your sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #630

I wasn't talking to you. joshcryer Jan 2014 #634

This one Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #644

It's messed up. joshcryer Jan 2014 #646

Don't waste your time cui bono. This is par for the course for this sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #614

I expect you will admonish the poster who just attacked my post regarding the veterans I mentioned sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #435

That poster is the one calling this "tiny Internet games." joshcryer Jan 2014 #554

You're missing what she was referring to then. She's not talking about the subject matter, cui bono Jan 2014 #563

The poster posted a falsehood. joshcryer Jan 2014 #569

Just because someone loses a brother to suicide and mentions it in a long winded post cui bono Jan 2014 #570

No, callous would be too strong. joshcryer Jan 2014 #579

As I said, I was responding to the one thing in her post. cui bono Jan 2014 #585

It's not about you. joshcryer Jan 2014 #590

Sheshe, I am sorry for your loss of your brother. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #336

Heheh... SidDithers Jan 2014 #327

Thanks for that endorsement. I was hoping you chime in Sid, it instantly sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #535

Wait. Having your made-up stories and right-wing memes exposed as false... SidDithers Jan 2014 #592

MRE's are nasty heaven05 Jan 2014 #354

More & more I'm beginning to believe this line is true: CrispyQ Jan 2014 #387

Worked on the 08 and 2012 elections but always knew that he will only do as... axollot Jan 2014 #664

Dude, they're better than C Rations. malthaussen Jan 2014 #405

lol heaven05 Jan 2014 #407

Sure about that? bullsnarfle Jan 2014 #382

That's horrible! Sorry you and others had to go through that. cui bono Jan 2014 #495

Yikes, sounds like catch 22. NealK Jan 2014 #529

I'm really sorry you were treated that way. I know that several years ago we learned that the troops sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #545

every day Enthusiast Jan 2014 #314

It's astonishing and it isn't just recent, it goes back several years apparently. I was sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #446

He wasn't "sent". He volunteered. Your reaction bjobotts Jan 2014 #72

I agree with your view on those moments in the speech. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #126

Lots of young people "volunteer" without knowing anything about what they're getting themselves El_Johns Jan 2014 #162

Lots of people volunteer because that is the only way they see to get out of poverty. Sirveri Jan 2014 #218

Excellent point dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #296

"An economic draft." CrispyQ Jan 2014 #389

I Totally Agree Rockyj Jan 2014 #417

Then don't begin. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #5

His take is very rational and an empathetic person. I can see that those that can justify rhett o rick Jan 2014 #21

This president deftly avoided war in Eygpt, Libya and Syria . . . brush Jan 2014 #54

You've got to be joking. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #75

I said no boots on the ground brush Jan 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2014 #94

What was your point . . . brush Jan 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2014 #127

Going to war in any of those countries would have been completely unjustified in the first place quinnox Jan 2014 #83

You know Bush would have jumped right in there with troops brush Jan 2014 #154

comparing anyone to Dubya is a very, VERY low bar Skittles Jan 2014 #207

How about this . . . brush Jan 2014 #212

because the "Last thing" one would want to do is "give him any credit" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #244

Do you ever give any thought to the thousands of our troops who are still dying sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #272

We WERE in Libya and are behind the scenes in Egypt and Syria using our 'proxy' armies sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #100

I think we just bombed some people in Somalia...and we have KoKo Jan 2014 #155

There are undeclared wars all over the globe. El_Johns Jan 2014 #166

Well at least your take on Syria is different . . . brush Jan 2014 #217

No, Bush would have WANTED to go to Syria, there is no question about that, but the world sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #266

sshhhhhh!!!! You are messing up that good narrative....!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #241

It is a good narrative Chiquitita Jan 2014 #331

If that poster stopped bullying bobduca Jan 2014 #377

Amen! n/t QC Jan 2014 #412

awwww....I am such a bad bad bully! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #451

have I hurt your fee fee's? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #450

meanwhile....did you watch the SOTU yourself? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #449

Yes, I watched it with my husband Chiquitita Jan 2014 #453

Well I was replying to people who DID NOT! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #454

Okay Vanilla Chiquitita Jan 2014 #457

if you didn't watch the SOTU last night....you have no reason to take a position VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #459

I didn't see you point out any hypocrisy. Nor did I see anyone 'just accepting someone else's sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #546

Of course YOU didn't VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #552

Lol, you sound frustrated. Can't say I blame you. If I realized that a vast majority of sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #555

Oh goody...here comes page seven in the manual...when you accuse me of hysterics VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #561

Why, has that happened to you a lot? You seem to have a lot of bad experiences sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #564

hahahahaha! You are so funny... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #566

You're funny too. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #571

what? This is the best you got? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #575

You got that backwards! Dude! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #577

no actually I didn't...and you really suck at this.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #578

There's a scolding, hysterical quality to your posts. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #617

So amazingly wrong--it's sickening. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #30

This is an introduction to a rational dialog. longship Jan 2014 #43

Maybe start with 'ruined' duhneece Jan 2014 #371

Tell me ? warrant46 Jan 2014 #420

This soldier voluntarily went back time and again. I think the OP is very wrong, also. secondwind Jan 2014 #482

Mr. Pitt was spot on. 5X Jan 2014 #504

It was an offensive finish. And I really don't get the reason to draw morningfog Jan 2014 #2

You didn't get the reason???? Because we have idiots who want war with Iran.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #35

The President chose to continue the need for many of those depolyments. morningfog Jan 2014 #46

It's really too bad you missed the point about the 10 deployments. Sad. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #81

Ah, don't let it get you down, Ms. Not everyone is willing to cheer the product of endless war. morningfog Jan 2014 #91

Neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use the name of the soldier you are so outraged about. msanthrope Jan 2014 #102

And you, as per usual, cannot engage without making it about DU posters. morningfog Jan 2014 #128

Again--neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use Sgt. Remsburg's name or rank in your pursuit msanthrope Jan 2014 #136

Well look at you! You put in the effort to find out his rank! morningfog Jan 2014 #165

So you didn't actually watch the SOTU? How did you.miss his name and rank, then? msanthrope Jan 2014 #317

I'll add this. morningfog Jan 2014 #176

+ 1000 n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #285

I think you should apologize for the Snopes incident upthread....nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #319

Didn't even have to look, I knew it was you. You should be ashamed of using the troops sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #443

And the "tiny Internet games" comment. joshcryer Jan 2014 #557

Why anyone on this board Puglover Jan 2014 #322

Quintessential trolling. morningfog Jan 2014 #332

Pointing out that neither you, nor the OP could be bothered to use the name of the soldier msanthrope Jan 2014 #370

Most people don't engage I've noticed. You're right, never ending repetitive 'argle bargle'. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #549

OMG.... lololol.... cui bono Jan 2014 #280

truly pathetic bobduca Jan 2014 #381

No shit! pecwae Jan 2014 #468

Will predicted their appearance, and their attacks. bvar22 Jan 2014 #483

Pointing out that you didn't use the Puglover Jan 2014 #493

Not offensive to the troop that was being honored, or to his father... phleshdef Jan 2014 #199

I'm fine with being in the minority. morningfog Jan 2014 #208

You called this man's story "shameful and nothing to cheer". phleshdef Jan 2014 #213

phleshdef, sheshe2 Jan 2014 #251

Bullshit. You are making shit up now. morningfog Jan 2014 #313

It wasn't cheering...why can't you see that? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #245

I honestly was ashamed. n / t GP6971 Jan 2014 #3

It worked. We should be ashamed of war. We should be ashamed of 10 deployments.We should be ashamed. The Wielding Truth Jan 2014 #393

interesting take quinnox Jan 2014 #7

I'm with you on this. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #51

I think I would have, too. When I saw the line up of those KoKo Jan 2014 #119

I am glad I did not watch it. zeemike Jan 2014 #167

same here quinnox Jan 2014 #169

so you take positions on things you never even witnessed yourself??? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #247

I see a lot of progressives here, whom I respect, saying the same things that did see the speech quinnox Jan 2014 #249

Yeah....right...I see ALOT of the same people who all claim not to have seen it... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #252

And there is something wrong with that? zeemike Jan 2014 #360

you are comparing a SOTU with a murder now? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #439

I compared no such thing. zeemike Jan 2014 #471

Your act is tiresome bobduca Jan 2014 #379

Clue..... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #401

appeals to age, check bobduca Jan 2014 #409

No, just characterizing the nature of pointless jeering. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #429

It's now dishonest to point out "dishonest rhetoric"? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #445

My "act" is the truth! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #440

Yes. 840high Jan 2014 #517

Me Two BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #8

Human beings reduced to fodder and props. rug Jan 2014 #10

ouch, poetic and harsh at the same time quinnox Jan 2014 #13

sadly...yes.. eom. KoKo Jan 2014 #123

Or to put it another way, the human face of jingoism Retrograde Jan 2014 #172

he's trying to make a point that the saber-rattlers dont want to hear. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #378

What a Fuck albino65 Jan 2014 #12

Thanks, Will. 1000words Jan 2014 #14

I think the point is missed here. President Obama had a personal relationship with that soldier. kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #15

Now Will... You Once Called ME Devisive On DU... WillyT Jan 2014 #16

agreed H2O Man Jan 2014 #17

Now, now William fadedrose Jan 2014 #18

Yeah that part turned my stomach too KentuckyWoman Jan 2014 #19

USA! USA! Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #20

I agree Skittles Jan 2014 #22

Will, I didn't see it, and I won't see it Demeter Jan 2014 #23

I have nothing to add. You said it well. Fuck those that use war for profit or political gain. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #24

I am glad I missed it... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #25

You need to watch it. It was a fitting tribute to a recovering soldier... farmbo Jan 2014 #182

You may be right... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #233

Thank you. And I totally agree. uppityperson Jan 2014 #237

Really? Joe Biden, Elijah Cummings, Nancy Pelosi, John Lewis, Michelle Obama, Dr. Biden, John Kerry msanthrope Jan 2014 #26

His sacrifice was not for ALL OF US. morningfog Jan 2014 #38

thank you. I noticed that jingoistic bullshit war excuse too quinnox Jan 2014 #50

Benefit??? What benefit did you or that soldier get? The point your President made was that msanthrope Jan 2014 #53

Yeah, that "worst roomful of people"...not quite. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #55

OP's post is worse than his "goddamned incoherent" moment. joshcryer Jan 2014 #168

+1 Desert805 Jan 2014 #173

"My favorites are all the people commenting who didn't even bother to watch it. Ridiculous." Number23 Jan 2014 #248

I notice that too...and none surprising at all... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #250

His 'sacrifice' was a mighty waste. GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #316

No, Will… Don't change your mind about this tomorrow… It is RIGHT MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #27

Glad I "stayed home". That shit is WHY I did. Cannot STAND it. k and R Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #28

That's all you got out of the speech? brush Jan 2014 #29

This gets the most Cha Jan 2014 #58

o Cha. lol Whisp Jan 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #96

Divisive Bullshit.. par for the Cha Jan 2014 #143

William is in a bad mood tonight fadedrose Jan 2014 #151

.. Cha Jan 2014 #175

Can I join this scornful loyalist subthread too? bobduca Jan 2014 #380

I must have missed the part when he said we were pulling all the troops out of Afghanistan dflprincess Jan 2014 #80

Read post 54 brush Jan 2014 #109

Oh yes, indeed: "Trying to stay out of wars for the most part" Maedhros Jan 2014 #426

If I stand corrected, so be it. brush Jan 2014 #442

+1 brush. In my 60+ years I have never heard a POTUS say that, ever. It's major... Hekate Jan 2014 #456

Same here, Hekate. brush Jan 2014 #463

some of those recs are from socks and sockettes from around the countryside... Whisp Jan 2014 #485

... 840high Jan 2014 #520

The only appropriate thing to say in that instance NuclearDem Jan 2014 #31

It did not sit well with me, either. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #32

Best response in this thread, right here. ^^^ CrispyQ Jan 2014 #392

I think this reaction is disgusting ProSense Jan 2014 #33

Thank you....it's as if the OP didn't hear any of the remarks on Iran, and simply refused to msanthrope Jan 2014 #41

that was one of the biggest Wooshes in DU history, I think. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #107

Note that the OP couldn't be bothered to learn the name of the soldier he was outraged over, either. msanthrope Jan 2014 #116

Yeah, almost like that poem . . . brush Jan 2014 #170

Selective hearing, that's what it is,msanthrope. n/t sheshe2 Jan 2014 #265

I'm sure the ones Cha Jan 2014 #61

Seeing what has happened in our name is shocking... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #77

82 people disagree with you. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #134

That's OK. ProSense Jan 2014 #145

I agree with the OP. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #196

Agreed LordGlenconner Jan 2014 #202

Of course you do. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #159

thank you, seems the point was missed here. uppityperson Jan 2014 #236

LOL, really? Really? I am shocked! Shocked I say! nt Logical Jan 2014 #428

I am really tired of fetishizing the war machine, gLibDem Jan 2014 #34

Welcome to DU 1000words Jan 2014 #52

Thanks gLibDem Jan 2014 #88

I've supported POTUS since the beginning but I have to agree and have nothing to add. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #36

In the context of "America must move off a permanent war footing" frazzled Jan 2014 #37

Thank you. It is amazing how different it is in context. uppityperson Jan 2014 #238

Yes, context is everything. one_voice Jan 2014 #408

This is demonstrably incorrect: Maedhros Jan 2014 #431

Clueless, as always... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #484

Libya was not a threat to the United States Maedhros Jan 2014 #488

You're comparing accidentally mistargeting a warship in the middle of a desperate war for survival.. ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #599

Your are citing a terrorist act that was committed in 1988 Maedhros Jan 2014 #604

I'm saying NATO's actions to prevent a civilian massacre ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #606

Congress rejected the President's request for approval to bomb Libya. Maedhros Jan 2014 #608

Arguing with someone so wrong on the facts is frustrating ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #621

I get it - as a (Neo)Conservative Democrat, you like it when the U.S. flexes its military muscle. Maedhros Jan 2014 #623

You seem to imagine that "protect the American people"... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #672

I'm not defending terrorists. Maedhros Feb 2014 #675

And yet, after all these lofty words, bvar22 Jan 2014 #490

He will? Where? frazzled Jan 2014 #492

^ 840high Jan 2014 #522

thank-you! Blue_Roses Jan 2014 #650

Well said! TM99 Jan 2014 #39

Read the post just above yours brush Jan 2014 #76

Nope, I didn't miss the point. TM99 Jan 2014 #226

You've seen this decent man for 5 years in office brush Jan 2014 #229

Obama is not a 'decent man'. TM99 Jan 2014 #308

That's your opinion nt brush Jan 2014 #376

Given the discussion at hand, TM99 Jan 2014 #399

That's right Chiquitita Jan 2014 #340

I have no quilt for this 'war'. TM99 Jan 2014 #345

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply anyone who was against the wars should feel guilt. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #349

No one in that room including Obama feels guilt for their sins. TM99 Jan 2014 #356

Honoring this man's sense of duty and his sacrifice was the right thing to do, TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #42

+1,000. Agree completely with you, TwilightGardener. highplainsdem Jan 2014 #57

Thanks TG.. Cha Jan 2014 #63

They weren't honoring him, they were using him as a prop. Shemp Howard Jan 2014 #65

Read post 37. nt brush Jan 2014 #79

No. Nobody was using him. His Commander-in-Chief asked him to come--and TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #84

No, people are attempting to use the President honoring him as a prop to criticize. phleshdef Jan 2014 #204

Here's a picture of Cory Remsberg before Chiquitita Jan 2014 #355

It can be both. Orsino Feb 2014 #680

We get the man's sense of duty HangOnKids Jan 2014 #89

He's not a poster boy for anything. He's a man who answered the call, and served, and TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #108

The war was a fucked up call HangOnKids Jan 2014 #132

I didn't disparage your comments. I disagreed with you. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #148

Get back to me when one of your kids get blasted up in war HangOnKids Jan 2014 #157

I'm sorry that it happened to your family. Not everyone experiences things the same way, TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #179

I have always liked your posts HangOnKids Jan 2014 #186

Peace to you and yours, H-O-K... TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #190

This here Desert805 Jan 2014 #638

That was exactly the point, that this was a fucked up war that needs to be stopped. uppityperson Jan 2014 #239

Agreed Gothmog Jan 2014 #477

You put my feelings into words Chiquitita Jan 2014 #44

I don't agree. countingbluecars Jan 2014 #45

Exactly. To me, it said, "Here's the fucking meat grinder you all happily put these soldiers through kysrsoze Jan 2014 #66

Exactly. Whisp Jan 2014 #122

great point Blue_Roses Jan 2014 #649

Lens Crafters LordGlenconner Jan 2014 #47

Well said. flvegan Jan 2014 #48

10. 10. Deployments. Dragged out like a circus freak. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #49

You need to understand what a deployment is... rudolph the red Feb 2014 #676

that wasn't my reaction hfojvt Jan 2014 #56

Thanks for the update. I missed it on purpose. Phlem Jan 2014 #60

I'm old enough to remember what happened to Vietnam veterans when they returned home. blue neen Jan 2014 #62

Thank you. kysrsoze Jan 2014 #71

Thank you, and you are correct, we were applauding him ... unfortunately ,,, MindMover Jan 2014 #104

I have several close friends in Vietnam... busterbrown Jan 2014 #117

"investigating this situation" blue neen Jan 2014 #201

Not only saw it happen, but was there when one of the spitters got his jaw busted ... MindMover Jan 2014 #234

Bullshit! TM99 Jan 2014 #325

Sorry, I refuse to deny and further dishonor those vets. From one who was there: blue neen Jan 2014 #419

I honor vets by facing the realities. TM99 Jan 2014 #422

Hey, blue neen Jan 2014 #427

I am truly sorry if you even alone were one man TM99 Jan 2014 #430

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #64

"He voted against the war in Iraq." WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #68

I don't know this person. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #73

Wow said person been here since 2001 and JUST started posting, you should feel honored! Rex Jan 2014 #137

He voted against the war in Iraq? Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #74

Well, Obama was on record in 2002 as against the war Shemp Howard Jan 2014 #124

Set the record straight about what? Votes in the US Senate? Or, speeches as a State Senator in IL? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #171

He's also on record for increasing the SS cap, & advocating against mandated insurance. -nt CrispyQ Jan 2014 #397

It was exploitative Flatpicker Jan 2014 #67

woe dude, fire works be startin! Phlem Jan 2014 #69

What I saw was: "OK you SOBs, this is the consequence of war without end" Hekate Jan 2014 #70

And that was EXACTLY the point that was made. EXACTLY. Too bad some of us missed it. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #78

I saw the speech you did. And I saw a family that wanted to be there and didn't feel used. pnwmom Jan 2014 #85

I saw that too. Whisp Jan 2014 #95

I alerted on this post last night. grasswire Jan 2014 #501

That wasn't the only place! Desert805 Jan 2014 #639

Well said. I agree Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #103

I saw it your way also nt steve2470 Jan 2014 #223

Thank you. I'm glad not everyone missed the point. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #227

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #330

There should have been consequences for those who made mistakes. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #402

+1 Thank you Hekate. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #470

Big +1 MirrorAshes Jan 2014 #519

trash thread IS useful. Whisp Jan 2014 #82

Will be joining alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #87

Don't come back to the thread to read this ... 1000words Jan 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #86

Good thing he kept such an important point subtle. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #99

Wha...? WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #105

It was Obama's order to surge in Afghanistan and to continue there. morningfog Jan 2014 #110

Then why are we staying in Afghanistan after this year? Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #113

"Otherwise most people might mistake the whole charade for war porn. " ProSense Jan 2014 #111

Subtle to whom? The drunk Speaker, perhaps. The utterly clueless, maybe. But to the rest of us, msanthrope Jan 2014 #112

that's right, looks like the guy was used just as a prop for some recs Whisp Jan 2014 #141

It's amazing--a whole OP, and we can't be bothered to use the name or rank of the person we are msanthrope Jan 2014 #147

"people might mistake the whole charade for war porn" - Yes, people who didn't pay attention NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #114

"Yes, people who didn't pay attention" WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #125

I never asked you for a link. What are you talking about? NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #129

Ag. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #131

No worries...sometimes I see "NYC_SKP" think they're my posts! NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #135

I will polish my glasses more thoroughly henceforth. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2014 #654

I'm inclined to agree. Oakenshield Jan 2014 #221

The fucking biggest platform in the GOD DAMN world and we got this HangOnKids Jan 2014 #120

It was pretty clear to a lot of us. nt brush Jan 2014 #178

. hunter Jan 2014 #98

+1 WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #101

Apparently not every DUer watched the same SOTU speech. eom Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #106

Fuckin Will. Would your kindly post a freaking link to the part that I missed. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #115

The last ten minutes. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #121

You couldn't be bothered to use the soldier's name or rank in your OP. Perhaps, in your outrage, msanthrope Jan 2014 #140

ZOMG LOTS OF QUESTION MARKS MAKE POSTS MORE IMPORTANT WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #144

And shit???? Expecting you to actually use the name of the person you are outraged about msanthrope Jan 2014 #158

The OP is not about the soldier. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #271

Dude. Your OP said "Fuck". NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #163

Thank you, Sir. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #232

I certainly respect your view, but I saw it differently. cry baby Jan 2014 #130

I didn't take it that way neverforget Jan 2014 #133

You know what's disgusting? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #142

Will couldn't be bothered to use his name or rank in the OP. Which isn't something I would accept msanthrope Jan 2014 #161

Will wasn't USING the soldier to make his point. That would be disrespectful. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #288

Hey Sabrina...upthread Snopes disproved the RW talking point you posted about msanthrope Jan 2014 #318

Admitting error world involve a certain level of Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #324

Revealing her source of her claim could prove pretty interesting. The use of RW msanthrope Jan 2014 #337

You should be ashamed of yourself for using the troops for political purposes. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #447

Nailed it. ProSense Jan 2014 #164

+1 SunSeeker Jan 2014 #228

bingo! Blue_Roses Jan 2014 #651

This is why I don't watch SOTU speeches. Every single president, it doesn't matter who it is liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #146

+1000. Yep, all the presidents do it quinnox Jan 2014 #151

It is now also customary to trot out members LibDemAlways Jan 2014 #562

Seems the new meme is that you 'missed the point'. Rex Jan 2014 #150

If you get a chance, go back and review the speech brush Jan 2014 #197

Many? It is a tiny amount of the posters in this thread - but don't let reality stop you. Rex Jan 2014 #198

And what do you think the point was? brush Jan 2014 #215

That wasn't the point at all - really if your crew cannot come up with Rex Jan 2014 #486

The point most people got? 'We have to continually FIGHT for our 'freedoms'. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #502

When you are asking for more through actions obxhead Jan 2014 #153

I only hope . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #156

POST of the thread. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2014 #184

what is this bullshit? PBO is not free to whip out the "EFFIN'" and ""SCUMBASTARDS" BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #160

Thank you for excellently explaining . . . brush Jan 2014 #203

oh, we should just forget that he bluntly said the sexist pay gap is wrong? BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #216

It's allowed. I agree with you. brush Jan 2014 #219

really. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #225

Excellent post.... llmart Jan 2014 #513

and look---the OP rncouraged a lot of other people to BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #527

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #538

I felt like I was watching a scene from the Hunger Games when they were clapping for that soldier . 4edwards Jan 2014 #174

I have seen them, and I know what you mean quinnox Jan 2014 #180

I'm an Army Ranger tabasco Jan 2014 #177

. Egnever Jan 2014 #183

How does your service .. 1000words Jan 2014 #189

It doesn't, it is just chest thumping knowing a certain crowd will say Rex Jan 2014 #209

I'm a veteran Skittles Jan 2014 #269

As am I TM99 Jan 2014 #307

Vet here also elifino Jan 2014 #326

Same here, 96 Romeo at your service! Rex Jan 2014 #611

Me too. A lot of blood has been spilled so politicians could look like a "Strong leader". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #666

!! Number23 Jan 2014 #258

/thread... SidDithers Jan 2014 #333

Mahalo, tabasco~ Cha Jan 2014 #508

another poor attempt at channeling hunter thompson. Whisp Jan 2014 #181

See all those recs? 1000words Jan 2014 #185

If the unrec were still around countingbluecars Jan 2014 #188

I would unrec the op for missing the point. uppityperson Jan 2014 #242

same crowd, is who all those recs are. Whisp Jan 2014 #192

In other words: 1000words Jan 2014 #193

In other words, there is no more Unrec to offset the Recs. That is all that signifies. Hekate Jan 2014 #214

Don't Huelskamp me, bro! Whisp Jan 2014 #283

"Obama is a poopyhead' and they'll get the same recs, from same crowd." Number23 Jan 2014 #261

Dear gawd! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #294

You're welcome! Check out the jury results on my post for another well needed chuckle Number23 Jan 2014 #465

Thanks for letting me know Number23. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #472

Good post Gothmog Jan 2014 #478

Seriously Whisp? ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #662

gonzo BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #595

That soldier wouldn't be there if he didn't want to be. mwrguy Jan 2014 #187

My internet has gone to the zoo WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #191

you will be shocked and disappointed at the sheer idiocy and naivete Skittles Jan 2014 #267

Definitely a clear disconnect at least. sybylla Jan 2014 #353

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #194

Member since Sept 2013. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #200

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #206

Check out post #64! Rex Jan 2014 #211

The sockpuppets are really getting a workout in this thread. QC Jan 2014 #418

does that mean they're... Union Scribe Jan 2014 #515

zing! Whisp Jan 2014 #276

I really didn't see it that way. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #205

Did he address the "mistakes" made with drones? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #220

+1 liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #243

You said it, Will... ReRe Jan 2014 #222

The entirety of what Obama actually said after the applause for Cory: A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2014 #224

Thank you. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #231

Iraq was not 'for our freedom'! Iraq was a lie as everyone surely knows by now. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #262

Obama never said Iraq was for freedom, his POINT was to honor those the war devastated. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #275

Anti-war message? progressoid Jan 2014 #281

He is stopping the wars. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #284

Huh? progressoid Jan 2014 #311

In July 2008, Bush adopted the timline Obama proposed in Dec 2007. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #342

Yes. progressoid Jan 2014 #411

Obama proposed the time line ... Bush adopted it in name only ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #416

Wait. progressoid Jan 2014 #421

The agreement signed by Bush did not define JoePhilly Jan 2014 #423

Actually, it did define the pace. progressoid Jan 2014 #433

You just admitted everything I said. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #444

Yes, it's called tongue-in-cheek. progressoid Jan 2014 #455

To be fair, maybe it was too subtle a message for some. pacalo Jan 2014 #286

anti war message? grasswire Jan 2014 #503

Great post. People seem not to have read what Vattel Jan 2014 #643

Exactly, he tied 'our freedoms' to the troops' sacrifices and that is an outright lie. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #661

This implies tha Afghanistan was somehow vital to our freedom and democracy, but the truth is grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #532

That's ok... Xyzse Jan 2014 #230

Full transcript of the speech - quinnox Jan 2014 #235

Obama NEVER said Iraq was about freedom. He always said it was a mistake and stupid. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #289

Iraq was NOT a mistake. It was a LIE that was supposed to last 'months, weeks maybe'. It is a CRIME sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #293

Bush lied to get us into Iraq, but Dems made a mistake in believing him. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #297

Only those not on the Senate intelligence committee. joshcryer Jan 2014 #300

Sigh! If an elected official is more stupid than the average voter who begged them not to believe sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #301

Ok, but you are not addressing the issue of this thread. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #303

inexcusably complicit in war crimes. reddread Jan 2014 #400

BS. He has said in earlier speeches that America gave Iraq a chance for freedom. Vattel Jan 2014 #645

Links? Obama never supported the invasion of Iraq. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #655

To quote one (speaking to soldiers at Fort Bragg): Vattel Jan 2014 #670

Trifecta: You lie AND link to a right wing rag AND it doesn't even support your claim. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #673

You should learn how to read Vattel Feb 2014 #677

Yes, reading comprehension is my friend, and your enemy. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #678

to reiterate: Vattel Feb 2014 #679

If you Googled the transcript, you wouldn't get a lying RW article with no transcript. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #681

Nicely done. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #683

Thanks. Glad I wasn't just whistling into the wind. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #684

Dude, seriously, take a deeep breath, read, and think. Vattel Feb 2014 #685

LOL. You link to a RW site and accuse ME of sleaziness. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #686

The quote I used wasn't truncated. It was the full quote you used to defend your silly position. Vattel Feb 2014 #687

You (and your lying article) misrepresented the speech. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #688

Wrong again. He said our soldiers' "sacrifices" gave Iraq the chance at self-determination. Vattel Feb 2014 #689

No, you are wrong. Leaving Iraq was their mission, not their sacrifice. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #690

I think you might have been so discouraged (understandably) that you misinterpreted a anAustralianobserver Jan 2014 #246

I agree in part. But don't tell that to Tammy Duckworth. nt longship Jan 2014 #253

I'm glad the Sgt was there. bravenak Jan 2014 #255

Exactly, being SEEN is not the same as being used as a prop flamingdem Jan 2014 #263

We can't. bravenak Jan 2014 #268

I wonder if there would have been as much outrage from Will and his contingency... llmart Jan 2014 #514

Visibility on the national stage is exactly what IS needed for war to end flamingdem Jan 2014 #257

Fuck indeed. blackspade Jan 2014 #260

Sometimes you really fucking rock. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #264

Methinks you doth protest too much. countmyvote4real Jan 2014 #270

Methinks some of us were watching a different speech than the one I saw. calimary Jan 2014 #302

+1 countmyvote4real Jan 2014 #321

with all due respect... grasswire Jan 2014 #505

plus 38 zillion. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #526

Thanks Desert805 Jan 2014 #543

Welcome to DU, Desert805! calimary Jan 2014 #660

Huelscamp, Huelscamp, dat you? Whisp Jan 2014 #273

I looked at it as an example of American failure and how Maraya1969 Jan 2014 #279

My take away, too, Will. 10 deployments, to PROTECT America... truth2power Jan 2014 #304

Maybe I'm wrong but your point about 10 deployments to PROTECT America justiceischeap Jan 2014 #310

Your anger is misplaced, IMO. nt ecstatic Jan 2014 #305

But it reminded all of us that these damaged for life people exist... Kablooie Jan 2014 #306

Well said. Thank you. +1 aristocles Jan 2014 #309

Those fucking wars accomplished exactly ZERO. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #312

You got the hornets out of their nest with that one, Mr. Pitt! another_liberal Jan 2014 #315

To be president you must be a master of propaganda jimlup Jan 2014 #320

Derp...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #323

It made me cry. countryjake Jan 2014 #328

Made me cry too Desert805 Jan 2014 #582

Stopped the instant Obama compared the wounded soldier to "America"... countryjake Jan 2014 #586

I disagree with you Will. warrior1 Jan 2014 #334

Congratulations ProSense Jan 2014 #335

Sorry Will, I respect you and love your writing, tridim Jan 2014 #338

Who gets introduced to Sergeant Cory Remsberg without gulping? dougolat Jan 2014 #339

Pitt +10000 heaven05 Jan 2014 #341

Wheel. Of. Outrage!!! JoePhilly Jan 2014 #344

Funny you should mention that. I was watching Wheel of Fortune one day Whisp Jan 2014 #512

and he got better rtracey Jan 2014 #346

Toon that sums it up n2doc Jan 2014 #347

a very sad rec and thank you. cali Jan 2014 #350

Please allow this old veteran to weigh in ... Scuba Jan 2014 #351

well said. Thank you Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #410

+1 octoberlib Jan 2014 #414

I just don't think people who send others to war Union Scribe Jan 2014 #567

Well said, as always. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #358

Good Morning Lemmings! JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #362

Nice of you to diminish nearly 300 fellow DUers 1000words Jan 2014 #480

+1,000 llmart Jan 2014 #516

True Strength and What the Wars Have Done erpowers Jan 2014 #363

It was in the context of ending 'permanent war' policies - it was his 10th deployment. blm Jan 2014 #365

just posted on FB and another DU thread 90-percent Jan 2014 #366

Is the hangover wearing off yet? snooper2 Jan 2014 #369

Will you are completely correct. N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2014 #373

I didn't watch the SOTU address ConcernedCanuk Jan 2014 #375

Sorry Will, but I think you completely missed the point. truebrit71 Jan 2014 #383

he ESCALATED that war Skittles Jan 2014 #494

Correct. This wasn't that hard. A. This is what war does. B. Let's stop them now. C. This soldier stevenleser Feb 2014 #674

Every Word of Your Post Is Sterling, Ringing Truth cer7711 Jan 2014 #384

Truth. Thanks man. K&R n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #385

WilliamPitt Hates Obama... in other news, bears do something that stinks really bad in wooded areas uponit7771 Jan 2014 #386

Thanks for saying this pscot Jan 2014 #388

Yes, Hunter. Thanks from me, too. savannah43 Jan 2014 #499

i agree... madrchsod Jan 2014 #390

10 deployments in unnecessary wars is 10 too many alarimer Jan 2014 #391

AthiestCrusader speaks for me. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #394

pretty disgusting post, fitzmas. nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #396

Eloquent, William, eloquent. malthaussen Jan 2014 #403

Yeah Desert805 Jan 2014 #640

Love you, Will.... But you swung and missed here. scheming daemons Jan 2014 #404

An apt title for this thread and most of the content. gordianot Jan 2014 #406

Would you rather wounded soldiers be hidden away as to not offend your tender sensibilities? Politicub Jan 2014 #413

when you look at the faces of the republican side and their smiles...I see your point Demonaut Jan 2014 #424

UNREC Demonaut Jan 2014 #425

LOL, you know the unrec is gone, correct? nt Logical Jan 2014 #432

I still see it................ Demonaut Jan 2014 #525

'''Maybe I'll feel different tomorrow upon review.''' Whisp Jan 2014 #436

I will just be very happy mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #438

Yes, Fuck!, Indeed. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2014 #448

The president did a good job and his guests were appropriate. Cofitachequi Jan 2014 #458

Back in the Vietnam era, we got more real war coverage. Under Reagan and Bush-I, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #460

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Exactly the word I uttered... I hate liars Jan 2014 #462

Thirteen years of reading you and you have never been more correct or to the point. CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #464

Has Will woken up yet? B2G Jan 2014 #467

I think so. There seems to be an edit to the OP dated this morning. Whisp Jan 2014 #474

He changed the same couple lines twice---- (ruined soldiers didn't sound so good) snooper2 Jan 2014 #479

Over 300 recs proves he was right. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #518

he gets 300 recs if he farts. Whisp Jan 2014 #521

Ok, jealousy, I get it now! nt Logical Jan 2014 #524

It proves he got 300 recs. joshcryer Jan 2014 #553

He must still be having "technical difficulties" LOL snooper2 Jan 2014 #475

Nope, technical difficulties have been overcome Whisp Jan 2014 #539

He typed that on his phone, from memory. joshcryer Jan 2014 #548

on that teeny weeny teenis keyboard? wow Whisp Jan 2014 #550

I am more pissed off fredamae Jan 2014 #473

Of all issues on which ODS is used treestar Jan 2014 #476

This Fuck thread got a good rogering. Whisp Jan 2014 #481

LOL! The Crew is still foaming at the mouth over your rant! Rex Jan 2014 #487

When did you serve William? 4bucksagallon Jan 2014 #489

I think William is being served now. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #507

Reality can be inconvenient, uncomfortable, and often outright disturbing. kjones Jan 2014 #491

That was my take too, especially and pointedly "10 deployments". Perhaps that was the point. txwhitedove Jan 2014 #500

Add my DURec to the pile, Will. bvar22 Jan 2014 #498

they are the biggest hypocrites EVER Skittles Jan 2014 #511

The recs keep piling up, don't they? 1000words Jan 2014 #523

God, I wish I knew how to spell "raspberry" phonetically... Aldo Leopold Jan 2014 #506

Thank you! MissDeeds Jan 2014 #509

I was recalling all the anti invasion rallies I attened proud patriot Jan 2014 #510

spend your time more wisely fighting sick shit like this: Whisp Jan 2014 #528

If you criticize the President you hate starving children? Union Scribe Jan 2014 #558

of course the whoosh overwhelms you. Whisp Jan 2014 #560

Yeah, I'm sure the ten people whining about this thread Union Scribe Jan 2014 #574

If UNREC wwere still available, bvar22 Jan 2014 #600

shame on, patriotic scold! bobduca Jan 2014 #565

What is the mission in Afghanistan? Anyone? grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #530

Bin Laden 1000words Jan 2014 #531

Oh yeah! I forgot! Wasn't he in Pakistan? What a tricky bugger! grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #533

Tora Bora 1000words Jan 2014 #534

So, the current mission is what? grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #542

... 1000words Jan 2014 #547

"Tough on terra'", "Real Leader", political PR like it was in Vietnam. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #657

Yes, it sickens me that no one knows why we are there. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #659

Yes he does deserve more than a standing ovation. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #536

K&R n/t NealK Jan 2014 #537

If Congress wanted to do something real for the guy Fearless Jan 2014 #540

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #572

Wow, over 300 recommends, and its driving a certain very devoted segment crazy quinnox Jan 2014 #587

Who is being driven crazy? joshcryer Jan 2014 #591

Its a massacre of hidden posts, see for yourself quinnox Jan 2014 #596

In 601 posts I counted 4 jury hides and 5 self deletes. You call this a massacre? Hekate Jan 2014 #605

Your math is off. Count again, It is 5 hidden posts, not 4. quinnox Jan 2014 #631

Ooooooooo Hekate Jan 2014 #632

! dionysus Jan 2014 #667

+1 Union Scribe Jan 2014 #609

This is what you are choosing to be smug about? treestar Jan 2014 #610

Yeah the 'echo chamber' lovers are still spitting nails at this thread! Rex Jan 2014 #612

As if this thread isn't an echo chamber against certain people here. joshcryer Jan 2014 #636

I am sure Faux news would love to have you riversedge Jan 2014 #588

Meet the other SOTU "props" ProSense Jan 2014 #593

Whatever man. DevonRex Jan 2014 #594

it's just poutrage bandwagoning... seeking attention. no more, no less. dionysus Jan 2014 #625

I could almost feel sorry for him. DevonRex Jan 2014 #627

to quote George Galloway vs Christopher Hitchens: dionysus Jan 2014 #629

I do. joshcryer Jan 2014 #635

Never on DU. DevonRex Jan 2014 #641

You don't think it's pitiful? joshcryer Jan 2014 #642

IOW Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #647

Basically. joshcryer Jan 2014 #648

No more than I do for Republicans who say similar things. DevonRex Jan 2014 #652

Grossly exploitative... axollot Jan 2014 #598

Will used him just as much Desert805 Jan 2014 #602

First name basis with Will lol? bobduca Jan 2014 #622

Does it matter what I call him? Desert805 Jan 2014 #624

Worse, Remsburg wouldn't agree with the OP. joshcryer Jan 2014 #637

Oh rubbish..pointing out something that made a lot of folks squirm uncomfortably is not the same eom axollot Jan 2014 #663

I was more offended by the people in the gallery, tnlefty Jan 2014 #628

And epic thread to be sure. Rex Jan 2014 #633

These are the only words Obama should have said: "Never again" Dash87 Jan 2014 #653

Because he knows that mimi85 Jan 2014 #668

Pawns in their game... polichick Jan 2014 #656

Glad that I didn't watch this farce LittleBlue Jan 2014 #658

+1 warrant46 Jan 2014 #665

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #669

Newtown victims were used as props as well. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #671

kick and recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #682