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125. Precisely. nt

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I dare to write about: Men and Women Today [View all] BellaKos Feb 2014 OP

Wonderful post. Bonobo Feb 2014 #1

Thanx so much, Bonobo. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #55

I've gotta throw a challenge flag close to the start hfojvt Feb 2014 #157

yep, another stereotype in a veritable long list of them. one of my parents encouraged me, the other bettyellen Feb 2014 #174

Lots to ponder here.... llmart Feb 2014 #2

I used to think that way, too. Ilmart. BellaKos Feb 2014 #63

Yes, according respect is essential to tolerance and peace. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #115

So if you were introduced to George Zimmerman today..... llmart Feb 2014 #196

People can earn my DISrespect. Orangepeel Feb 2014 #214

Excellent post. Arkansas Granny Feb 2014 #3

Thank you, Arkansas Granny n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #65

Thanks for the post. safeinOhio Feb 2014 #4

safeinOhio -- Thanx. nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #79

Both. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #5

Thanx, MannyGoldstein. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #66

Slight correction JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #6

We are all in this together, so we might as well get with the program. bemildred Feb 2014 #7

Agreed. BellaKos Feb 2014 #48

Yes, I remember. bemildred Feb 2014 #60

And you, too. Bemildred. BellaKos Feb 2014 #69

That is a most excellent book libodem Feb 2014 #87

Yes. There were a lot of good books. Time to rediscover them. bemildred Feb 2014 #95

That looks very interesting libodem Feb 2014 #117

The Descent of Women! I may still have my withered and worn paperback. nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #156

I parted with mine a few years back. Gave it to the library book sale. bemildred Feb 2014 #160

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2014 #8

You're a lot more "normal" than you think! marble falls Feb 2014 #22

You Rock. You are so Awesome right now. Your light is shining so bright Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #26

OffWithTheirHeads BellaKos Feb 2014 #28

i do not see women on du, lashing out, because they are "emotionally damaged". that is insulting. seabeyond Feb 2014 #9

Why is that insulting? Bonobo Feb 2014 #10

no. you have not heard me ever say that. men on du... why insulting? she doesnt know me. seabeyond Feb 2014 #11

We have all suffered some form of emotional damage. Bonobo Feb 2014 #13

do not tell me what i have expereinced. and i will not tell you your suffering or "damage". seabeyond Feb 2014 #16

The only people who have the power to insult me are those I have respect for. Everyone else, I could sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #198

this line is also insulting: Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #15

that would go along with the Op in hof. women, the liars, manipulators, seductresses, ect.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #17

Considering that the World's Biggest Liars and Manipulators have Historically been Men Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #19

but then... it would be a history of men, that in plays, songs, shows and culture, that say women seabeyond Feb 2014 #21

The NeverEnding Cycle That Feeds Itself. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #23

yA.... lol. seabeyond Feb 2014 #25

If you ever visit Iceland - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #31

having been a swimmer for decade and half, and in cold pools at 6 in the morning, in freezing seabeyond Feb 2014 #40

not cold ... check it out Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #42

ah, see... there is life. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #46

Life Is Good - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #52

My personal experience has been polar opposite AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #312

I want to support seabeyond a bit here, I don't like that usage either. bemildred Feb 2014 #80

this is a carry on from another thread where she specifically said some of us women that are vocal seabeyond Feb 2014 #83

Well, I think you have a point. bemildred Feb 2014 #90

that is the problem taking it to personal. even kinda assuming where a person is coming from. seabeyond Feb 2014 #100

This is the Internet, the land of bullshit. bemildred Feb 2014 #107

. seabeyond Feb 2014 #111

I will say this to you, seabeyond. BellaKos Feb 2014 #126

But you didn't speak of your own experience in the OP... cyberswede Feb 2014 #134

cyberswede BellaKos Feb 2014 #155

I am so very sorry, BellaKos, Sissyk Feb 2014 #138

Thank you, Sissyk nt BellaKos Feb 2014 #145

you do not get to re write. seabeyond Feb 2014 #151

Seabeyond BellaKos Feb 2014 #167

Stop misstating my post in other threads when I'm not even addressing you. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #228

There were no lies from seabeyond. JTFrog Feb 2014 #232

So... Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #281

That you are rather Obvious? JTFrog Feb 2014 #284

It was pretty straight forward Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #286

And I already told you. JTFrog Feb 2014 #287

He's obviously an excellent observer. pintobean Feb 2014 #288

I doubt he has much of a view from there. n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #289

"Dylan is the abuser now""what he did or didn't do...Dylan,...any better seabeyond Feb 2014 #233

You don't need to misstate what I say again, my own links are what I said. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #236

bottomline is if the reader the last two years has been about battling hof. seabeyond Feb 2014 #237

The 'group'' that mercilessly attacked and bullied another member for weeks polly7 Feb 2014 #275

Hey, if you can't twist things into something you can create outrage for .. polly7 Feb 2014 #276

You know, polly7, a thought just occurred to me. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #313

It's kinda like pintobean Feb 2014 #315

Seabeyond doesn't owe you an apology. Here's why she's honest and your OP is not: R B Garr Feb 2014 #254

Thank you for calling that shit out. JTFrog Feb 2014 #278

Yes, it was getting too obvious what all this was really about R B Garr Feb 2014 #294

A toilet? Oh my! pintobean Feb 2014 #283

Whooosh. Right over your head R B Garr Feb 2014 #291

I googled 'suggestion box' pintobean Feb 2014 #295

Thanks for being "frank" R B Garr Feb 2014 #298

You stoop to that pintobean Feb 2014 #301

The OP is lecturing about people's behavior R B Garr Feb 2014 #314

bemildred BellaKos Feb 2014 #114

so who were you? and if you think that it is only two of us that picked up on that, in this OP, seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

Some people see a personal insult .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #149

Not to worry, I got that. bemildred Feb 2014 #120

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #139

is that in this "wall of text" somewhere? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12

all of this to tell us women that have been hurt and damaged by men... do not lash out.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #14

What I really do not appreciate is the fact that this relative newcomer Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #18

and will not, refuses to take ownership of the insult and address it. seabeyond Feb 2014 #20

and does it under the guise of a Feminine type UserName. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #24

I tried, I really tried Z_I_Peevey Feb 2014 #112

Bless you, my child ... lol ... let me help -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #116

I don't like "newcomer" as a put down thesquanderer Feb 2014 #108

I understand what you are saying and I respect it. However, I find the subject matter and Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #113

Stuffing the problem never works. RC Feb 2014 #27

RC -- Yes, exactly. I've certainly learned that from experience. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #30

Is this supposed to be irony? Perhaps it's simply projection? redqueen Feb 2014 #123

No projection. it is called experience and education. RC Feb 2014 #179

"There is a knot of anger that sits at the bottom of the soul seemingly forever." bemildred Feb 2014 #215

is it not arrogantly condescending for men to psychoanalyze the women on du that speak out seabeyond Feb 2014 #217

I'm talking about myself. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #218

i guess that is a way to passively aggressively thumbs up what rc is doing. cause you understand, seabeyond Feb 2014 #220

I don't care about your petty arguments. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #221

my petty argument? i get you do not care. my petty argument is rc telling us we are damaged and seabeyond Feb 2014 #224

Talk all you want. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #225

Thanks for bothering. redqueen Feb 2014 #250

It's like there's no psychoanalysis of DU men pintobean Feb 2014 #229

No shit AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #311

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."" Bonobo Feb 2014 #325

It compares some DU men to slave owners. pintobean Feb 2014 #327

Kinda puts the OUTRAGE at it being suggested that there is damage out there in perspective, eh. Bonobo Feb 2014 #329

And it just keeps getting weirder. /nt pintobean Feb 2014 #330

Thank you. That is what I am trying to say. RC Feb 2014 #222

No problem. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #223

I wouldn't worry about it RC, most people got what you were saying. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #239

It is the frustration caused by those that don't get it. RC Feb 2014 #241

You can't get through to them. Which is why most people here don't even try. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #242

Yeah, I know, but the solutions are so obvious and the rewards are so great. RC Feb 2014 #245

You can guarantee the 'educators' of all things polly7 Feb 2014 #274

So true polly. This thread could have been a really good place to talk about the issues raised by sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #280

It turned into exactly what the OP wanted it to turn into. JTFrog Feb 2014 #282

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #285

my, my, who is being nasty and hostile now? whiners gonna whine! n/t Scout Feb 2014 #290

Nailed it. polly7 Feb 2014 #292

oh so it's ok for YOU to get "nasty and hostile" Scout Feb 2014 #297

+1. It's weird because I like everyone disagreeing with each other here, lol. closeupready Feb 2014 #293

this thread is a continuation from another. it is not the topic that is the issue. seabeyond Feb 2014 #296

I think SOME women here MAY profit from counseling, but MEN here - closeupready Feb 2014 #299

frstly, i think it is highly offensive for me to presume that i could have any role at all in seabeyond Feb 2014 #300

I hear you, and I don't disagree at all. closeupready Feb 2014 #303

thank you. seabeyond Feb 2014 #304

"lacking any kind of real information about the person" pintobean Feb 2014 #316

Note: I just served H2O Man Feb 2014 #317

Thanks. Another juror sent me the results. pintobean Feb 2014 #318

It is the damage they spread in the real world too. RC Feb 2014 #305

When you say 'real world,' are you referring to our first-hand experiences? closeupready Feb 2014 #306

No. I mean real world we all are living in. RC Feb 2014 #307

I sure wish I hadn't wasted my time reading all of this. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #29

Just so It is Not a Total Loss ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #35

Thanks Tuesday :-) n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #36

All men are this. All women are that. And what's up with that crazy youth, anyway? Chorophyll Feb 2014 #32

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #53

Then maybe your essay should have been cut down to what you just wrote here. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #122

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #142

BellaKos, Chorophyll Feb 2014 #163

Chorophyll BellaKos Feb 2014 #173

Compliment aside (thanks), you keep moving the goalposts. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #177

If you realize that generalizations are "never correct," then why resort to them? As an academic anneboleyn Feb 2014 #166

You're absolutely right! cyberswede Feb 2014 #176

anneboleyn BellaKos Feb 2014 #200

Exactly, the articles insists at bottom the same old thing treestar Feb 2014 #58

And it puts the onus on women to do all the adapting. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #135

perfect summary of why this OP is regressive bullshit- thank you! bettyellen Feb 2014 #171

I agree. (nt) PotatoChip Feb 2014 #172

So do I. llmart Feb 2014 #197

Exactly! Gender essentialism (women are counting the calories!) is just bullshit. I happily eat the anneboleyn Feb 2014 #161

anneboleyn BellaKos Feb 2014 #204

It's too bad you chose to end a somewhat accurate (if a little bland) essay Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #33

Sheldon Cooper BellaKos Feb 2014 #39

honestly ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #56

Well, I see that Seabeyond and Tuesday Afternoon are having loads o' fun. BellaKos Feb 2014 #34

So, now you are throwing Ageism into the mix. Wonderful. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #37

first we get in trouble for being damaged goods, then for having fun. sheesh. all out pals in here seabeyond Feb 2014 #47

Kind of used to Call Outs at this point on DU *yawn* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #61

lecture on respect, not lashing out, yet another down below.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #68

"calling out by name in a post to.... polly" redqueen Feb 2014 #127

I posted to you!? polly7 Feb 2014 #130

learn to read. Scout Feb 2014 #144

I read absolutely, perfectly, 100% just fine, you should try it yourself. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #146

"calling out by name in a post to.... polly" Scout Feb 2014 #147

Of course she can't. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #182

you are correct .... Scout Feb 2014 #189

Apologize for what, and to who???? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #258

Nah ........ just responding to the typical lying bullshit posts. polly7 Feb 2014 #256

you've been shown at least twice what your lie is. Scout Feb 2014 #263

And you've shown repeatedly that you'll spin and twist anything. polly7 Feb 2014 #266

i did read the thread in order. Scout Feb 2014 #269

Just replying to your nasty, typical garbage. polly7 Feb 2014 #272

really? Scout Feb 2014 #273

oh jeeze, reread for comprehension before you call others liars. someone posted calling out Duers to bettyellen Feb 2014 #188

she reads just fine Scout Feb 2014 #191

So wrong. JTFrog Feb 2014 #206

notice she's gone quiet... LOL Scout Feb 2014 #248

What's this, Scout? polly7 Feb 2014 #255

no problem sweetie, just making an observation Scout Feb 2014 #261

You obviously have a lying and smearing problem. polly7 Feb 2014 #264

what lie have i told? Scout Feb 2014 #267

I did. polly7 Feb 2014 #270

did what? Scout Feb 2014 #271

+1. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #38

cute tactic. tagging on like that. I do it sometimes, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #129

I was there. I agree with this: bemildred Feb 2014 #131

Yes, I understand but, please do not matronize your younger sisters in this. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #132

You don't get snotty with me, I won't get snotty with you. bemildred Feb 2014 #140

well, by all means. blow your nose and get back to work Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141

See, snotty. First thing. bemildred Feb 2014 #143

She didn't use to be that way. pintobean Feb 2014 #148

It's OK. Sometimes I have to leave before I get kicked out too. bemildred Feb 2014 #150

Lol. Yup. /nt pintobean Feb 2014 #152

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #216

so, you assume we do not know what "Patriarchal Hierarchy" even looks like, and you seabeyond Feb 2014 #43

+5 RC Feb 2014 #44

There are some posters who Union Scribe Feb 2014 #158

Union Scribe BellaKos Feb 2014 #199

Folks can certainly see who's having "fun" around here. JTFrog Feb 2014 #208

Here's the thing about men and women ... dawg Feb 2014 #41

right on brother..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #45

Of course that is true and why the thinking in the OP is so 70s. It manages to be both seaglass Feb 2014 #49

Thank you, dawg, for recognizing that we are individuals. All of us. Each and every one. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #50

Dawg, you're right. BellaKos Feb 2014 #76

Yes, exactly this. Thank you. MadrasT Feb 2014 #184

Wow! That means you will actually be treating the lucky Amy as an individual person! Squinch Feb 2014 #187

Amy* is a lucky girl! Amaril Feb 2014 #249

Recc'd for a thoughtful, well-meaning OP. polly7 Feb 2014 #51

Thanx Polly BellaKos Feb 2014 #54

Nice. Insult another woman TBF Feb 2014 #59

another call out behind my back, with polly that LOVES to insult me? seabeyond Feb 2014 #62

Good gawd ..... not again. I haven't even posted to you, yet here you are polly7 Feb 2014 #70

takin a bow.... yup. seabeyond Feb 2014 #73

Deep. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #74

I think it's interesting that "Bella" keeps setting up seabeyond in posts to you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #183

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #81

! seabeyond Feb 2014 #84

so, you "," was a little pre, to alerting onmy post? seabeyond Feb 2014 #91

What part of "Results of your Jury Service" Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #94

ok. so you were on the jury and had to do a pre game ",". whatever. were you the yea... lets use seabeyond Feb 2014 #101

My brain hurts Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #103

You can't argue with logic like that. pintobean Feb 2014 #106

I fucking targeted someone as an offender? polly7 Feb 2014 #96

skinner should see juror 4. how is new rule is abused by some, to get people they do not like seabeyond Feb 2014 #104

agreed but, in the end ... the system worked... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #133

Juror number 4 deserves his/her ass MIRTed, and I hope the alerter alerts on these results. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #137

LOL! polly7 Feb 2014 #64

This will be alerted on pintobean Feb 2014 #67

not by me. why? cause she called me out. tell her to go around and edit a number of posts... seabeyond Feb 2014 #71

At least you recognize Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #72

I wouldn't alert or vote to hide. pintobean Feb 2014 #78

recent history of what? people's Alert Records? Really? Do tell where that info can be found Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #82

My dog tells me these things. pintobean Feb 2014 #88

be sure and give her a pat on the head for me. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #93

take note pinto. two alerts in this cutsey subthread of insult. scout and i. go figure... huh. seabeyond Feb 2014 #178

we're just paranoid sea, lashing out inappropriately because of our repressed damaged psyches n/t Scout Feb 2014 #180

So fuckin' lmao, scout. Always thrilled to hear your voice. Nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #181

that's a fucked up post. Scout Feb 2014 #136

Transparency Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #159

thanks Ohio Joe Scout Feb 2014 #165

Now it's clear what the point of this thread was, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #192

Uh huh. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #194

Uh huh, what? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #260

What's clear? polly7 Feb 2014 #259

The OP is setting up DUers, lol. There was no point in this bettyellen Feb 2014 #308

I can agree with the last line - TBF Feb 2014 #57

Lots of generalizations in there... cyberswede Feb 2014 #75

women speaking their mind is not a result of unhealed pain erupting inappropriately as raw emotion. seabeyond Feb 2014 #77

But we are just soooo emotional and hysterical, dear me, we can't possibly see seaglass Feb 2014 #85

telling me the men in my life have hurt me is probably a zillion times more offensive. simply seabeyond Feb 2014 #86

I picked up on that too JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #92

It is an offensive thing to say, the OP is shit-stirring - bored on a Monday morning I guess. seaglass Feb 2014 #97

yup. it is probably the women that have the solid, respectful me in life, that have the loudest seabeyond Feb 2014 #110

Precisely. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #125

I think you're right. nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #211

Spot on. n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #212

All of my fellow academics must have "unhealed pain erupting" anneboleyn Feb 2014 #162

thank you. you know. who wants to know, be labeled or have this garbage weighing us down.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #164

cyberwede BellaKos Feb 2014 #99

That is it in a nutshell. RC Feb 2014 #230

RC - I agree. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #328

+100 Chorophyll Feb 2014 #124

thank you, it is bizarre how a laundry list of sterotypes is lauded here as wisdom. bettyellen Feb 2014 #175

Two Words: Sir Paul McCartney.... Bennyboy Feb 2014 #89

Old women rock. bemildred Feb 2014 #98

And why not? lol n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #105

It needed to be said. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #109

Thank you ever so much for matronizing your younger sisters. - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #128

on the front porch, in a chair. yeah. rock on. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #118

Well, and Kenny Rogers. BellaKos Feb 2014 #102

That line from "Never on Sunday"... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #121

I'm sorry. Nothing can be said on this topic without a shit storm ensuing. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #153

It's not reflective of what DU *should be*. n't BellaKos Feb 2014 #201

Well what's to be expected when one lobs a shit grenade? JTFrog Feb 2014 #209

i wasnt aware from the start of all this. but seeing every person on this thread cheering active seabeyond Feb 2014 #219

Maybe it is the unwarranted hostility the rest of us are reacting to. RC Feb 2014 #234

nah.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #235

who determines what is "unwarranted"... Scout Feb 2014 #244

You are saying the hostility is warranted? RC Feb 2014 #246

no, i asked a question. Scout Feb 2014 #247

Why would hostility ever be warranted here in the first place? RC Feb 2014 #251

can't answer the question i see. Scout Feb 2014 #252

Can't answer my questions, even when I ask for clarification of yours. RC Feb 2014 #253

i direct you to my post #247 Scout Feb 2014 #257

Look for the poster who 'lied' a little closer to home. polly7 Feb 2014 #262

what lie would that be, besides yours? Scout Feb 2014 #265

The lie that I 'attacked' and insulted her. polly7 Feb 2014 #268

yuppers... Scout Feb 2014 #243

Interesting perspective. I agree with much of it LittleBlue Feb 2014 #154

Little Blue, thanx. n/t BellaKos Feb 2014 #202

Excellent post, thank you. MicaelS Feb 2014 #168

MicaelS BellaKos Feb 2014 #203

Yet no lectures about tone BainsBane Feb 2014 #231

So either you didn't read the answer you clamored to get Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #240

Bainsbane BellaKos Feb 2014 #321

have never seen so many sterotypes in one post- and the youth, all about saying young women have no bettyellen Feb 2014 #169

Yep, massively fucked up. JTFrog Feb 2014 #210

Sorry, but this line is pretty wrong: chrisa Feb 2014 #170

No, chrisa BellaKos Feb 2014 #205

That's out of scope of the original argument. chrisa Feb 2014 #226

No, chrisa BellaKos Feb 2014 #324

The broadbrush binary gender stereotyping doesn't work for me. MadrasT Feb 2014 #185

I always love a wall of text that is patronizing and chock full of sweeping generalizations! Squinch Feb 2014 #186

Squinch ... BellaKos Feb 2014 #207

I believe several people have already given you specific examples Chorophyll Feb 2014 #227

Jes wonnerin: so you post your evidence-free observations, but you require evidence when others Squinch Feb 2014 #302

"Not many can match it. Can you?" JTFrog Feb 2014 #309

. Squinch Feb 2014 #310

WTF is that even supposed to mean? redqueen Feb 2014 #319

Lemme get my old crone JTFrog Feb 2014 #320

As you have discovered, contempt and abuse isn't directed only at men lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #190

it's now considered abusive to note someone lacks courage? i really don't think so. bettyellen Feb 2014 #195

lumberjack_jeff BellaKos Feb 2014 #326

"he assumes that because one is female, she needs protection from modern ills." lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #331

Rec'd since I can enjoy 'stream of consciousness' writing. I see it as that, no more or less. freshwest Feb 2014 #193

Excellent post, BellaKos! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #213

WaitingforEveryman BellaKos Feb 2014 #322

I can give some insight Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #238

Harmony Blue BellaKos Feb 2014 #323

According to Family Guy BlueStreak Feb 2014 #277

wow. lets just keep feeding the same ole lame stereotype, conditioning this is who we are. seabeyond Feb 2014 #279