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In reply to the discussion: I dare to write about: Men and Women Today [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)151. you do not get to re write.
you defended someone that said something offensive. the victim is the abuser. and ... whether allen molested or not, for dylan to speak up all these years later, she is AS bad.
people called waiting for every man out on that. and only that. t was about nothing else. it was not personally insulting or anything else. simply, calling out that statement. i was not the only one.
Well, I, for one, am gonna' stick up for you, WFE......
It seems that there are a few women here who are venting their pain concerning past injuries perpetrated by men -- whether it be injustice, emotional and physical abuse, and/or egregious crimes of rape and child molestation. They vent their pain -- their emotions -- in the guise of rational argument. This is a perfectly normal thing that people do all the time. (By the way, this is the same kind of thing that the Teabaggers are doing -- except their pain is because of economic reasons, mainly.)
This is fine. As long as the emotions are not vented as personal attacks. Or as long as emotions don't become so overwhelming that they affect the individual's well-being.
I realize that I may have pricked a nerve
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024467818#post137
It seems that there are a few women here who are venting their pain concerning past injuries perpetrated by men -- whether it be injustice, emotional and physical abuse, and/or egregious crimes of rape and child molestation. They vent their pain -- their emotions -- in the guise of rational argument. This is a perfectly normal thing that people do all the time. (By the way, this is the same kind of thing that the Teabaggers are doing -- except their pain is because of economic reasons, mainly.)
This is fine. As long as the emotions are not vented as personal attacks. Or as long as emotions don't become so overwhelming that they affect the individual's well-being.
I realize that I may have pricked a nerve
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024467818#post137
yes. that was talking about the women in that thread. and yes.... i put myself right out there in a number of posts... waiting for you to say, no, not you. a number of posts. i think it was clear you were talking about us women, in that thread, and ya... include me, exclude me.... whatever. but ya. like you get to say it, i get to call it out. not attack you personally. call out that comment. and that is just what i have done, and will continue to do.
the first part of your post i am replying to, could have been the bridge to connecting and uniting. i hear what you are sayng. and that is one of the reasons i am so adamant about not accepting the label of emotionally hurt. (i really do not and am offended by damage, like damage goods, and none of us are that, ever. another reason i am really offended by the word). it has not been in my world. so many have suffered much much more than i can even imagine. and still, i honor their voice, however it is sung whether lashing out or in a whisper, with tears, anger or a smile of pure joy for the freedom of voice.
and i do honor yours.... the first half of the post.
not so much the second half, which regressed back to what i was calling out.
now, things to do.
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yep, another stereotype in a veritable long list of them. one of my parents encouraged me, the other
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#174
You Rock. You are so Awesome right now. Your light is shining so bright
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#26
i do not see women on du, lashing out, because they are "emotionally damaged". that is insulting.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#9
no. you have not heard me ever say that. men on du... why insulting? she doesnt know me.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#11
do not tell me what i have expereinced. and i will not tell you your suffering or "damage".
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#16
The only people who have the power to insult me are those I have respect for. Everyone else, I could
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#198
that would go along with the Op in hof. women, the liars, manipulators, seductresses, ect....
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#17
Considering that the World's Biggest Liars and Manipulators have Historically been Men
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#19
but then... it would be a history of men, that in plays, songs, shows and culture, that say women
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#21
having been a swimmer for decade and half, and in cold pools at 6 in the morning, in freezing
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#40
this is a carry on from another thread where she specifically said some of us women that are vocal
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#83
that is the problem taking it to personal. even kinda assuming where a person is coming from.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#100
Stop misstating my post in other threads when I'm not even addressing you.
Waiting For Everyman
Feb 2014
#228
You don't need to misstate what I say again, my own links are what I said.
Waiting For Everyman
Feb 2014
#236
Seabeyond doesn't owe you an apology. Here's why she's honest and your OP is not:
R B Garr
Feb 2014
#254
so who were you? and if you think that it is only two of us that picked up on that, in this OP,
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#119
all of this to tell us women that have been hurt and damaged by men... do not lash out....
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#14
What I really do not appreciate is the fact that this relative newcomer
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#18
I understand what you are saying and I respect it. However, I find the subject matter and
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#113
"There is a knot of anger that sits at the bottom of the soul seemingly forever."
bemildred
Feb 2014
#215
is it not arrogantly condescending for men to psychoanalyze the women on du that speak out
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#217
i guess that is a way to passively aggressively thumbs up what rc is doing. cause you understand,
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#220
my petty argument? i get you do not care. my petty argument is rc telling us we are damaged and
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#224
Kinda puts the OUTRAGE at it being suggested that there is damage out there in perspective, eh.
Bonobo
Feb 2014
#329
You can't get through to them. Which is why most people here don't even try.
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#242
So true polly. This thread could have been a really good place to talk about the issues raised by
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#280
+1. It's weird because I like everyone disagreeing with each other here, lol.
closeupready
Feb 2014
#293
this thread is a continuation from another. it is not the topic that is the issue.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#296
frstly, i think it is highly offensive for me to presume that i could have any role at all in
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#300
When you say 'real world,' are you referring to our first-hand experiences?
closeupready
Feb 2014
#306
All men are this. All women are that. And what's up with that crazy youth, anyway?
Chorophyll
Feb 2014
#32
Then maybe your essay should have been cut down to what you just wrote here.
Chorophyll
Feb 2014
#122
If you realize that generalizations are "never correct," then why resort to them? As an academic
anneboleyn
Feb 2014
#166
Exactly! Gender essentialism (women are counting the calories!) is just bullshit. I happily eat the
anneboleyn
Feb 2014
#161
It's too bad you chose to end a somewhat accurate (if a little bland) essay
Sheldon Cooper
Feb 2014
#33
first we get in trouble for being damaged goods, then for having fun. sheesh. all out pals in here
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#47
oh jeeze, reread for comprehension before you call others liars. someone posted calling out Duers to
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#188
Yes, I understand but, please do not matronize your younger sisters in this.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#132
so, you assume we do not know what "Patriarchal Hierarchy" even looks like, and you
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#43
Of course that is true and why the thinking in the OP is so 70s. It manages to be both
seaglass
Feb 2014
#49
Thank you, dawg, for recognizing that we are individuals. All of us. Each and every one.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#50
Wow! That means you will actually be treating the lucky Amy as an individual person!
Squinch
Feb 2014
#187
I think it's interesting that "Bella" keeps setting up seabeyond in posts to you.
Sheldon Cooper
Feb 2014
#183
ok. so you were on the jury and had to do a pre game ",". whatever. were you the yea... lets use
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#101
skinner should see juror 4. how is new rule is abused by some, to get people they do not like
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#104
Juror number 4 deserves his/her ass MIRTed, and I hope the alerter alerts on these results.
ScreamingMeemie
Feb 2014
#137
not by me. why? cause she called me out. tell her to go around and edit a number of posts...
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#71
recent history of what? people's Alert Records? Really? Do tell where that info can be found
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#82
take note pinto. two alerts in this cutsey subthread of insult. scout and i. go figure... huh.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#178
we're just paranoid sea, lashing out inappropriately because of our repressed damaged psyches n/t
Scout
Feb 2014
#180
women speaking their mind is not a result of unhealed pain erupting inappropriately as raw emotion.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#77
But we are just soooo emotional and hysterical, dear me, we can't possibly see
seaglass
Feb 2014
#85
telling me the men in my life have hurt me is probably a zillion times more offensive. simply
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#86
It is an offensive thing to say, the OP is shit-stirring - bored on a Monday morning I guess.
seaglass
Feb 2014
#97
yup. it is probably the women that have the solid, respectful me in life, that have the loudest
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#110
thank you. you know. who wants to know, be labeled or have this garbage weighing us down....
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#164
thank you, it is bizarre how a laundry list of sterotypes is lauded here as wisdom.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#175
I'm sorry. Nothing can be said on this topic without a shit storm ensuing.
Comrade Grumpy
Feb 2014
#153
i wasnt aware from the start of all this. but seeing every person on this thread cheering active
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#219
have never seen so many sterotypes in one post- and the youth, all about saying young women have no
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#169
I always love a wall of text that is patronizing and chock full of sweeping generalizations!
Squinch
Feb 2014
#186
Jes wonnerin: so you post your evidence-free observations, but you require evidence when others
Squinch
Feb 2014
#302
it's now considered abusive to note someone lacks courage? i really don't think so.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#195
"he assumes that because one is female, she needs protection from modern ills."
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#331
Rec'd since I can enjoy 'stream of consciousness' writing. I see it as that, no more or less.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#193
wow. lets just keep feeding the same ole lame stereotype, conditioning this is who we are.
seabeyond
Feb 2014
#279