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In reply to the discussion: Wall Street Journal thinks that rape is not a crime or that women are criminals for being raped. [View all]tableturner
(1,702 posts)If the guy asks "Do I have your permission to insert my penis into your vagina?", and the woman answers "yes", then if he puts the penis into the vagina it is not rape? However, if both parties are drunk, both have performed orally upon the other, and then the man inserts his penis into the vagina without explicitly asking permission, it is rape? What if neither is drunk.....must the man explicitly ask for permission to insert the penis to avoid the action being determined to be a rape?
If so, then would you say that a man needs to explicitly ask for permission every time he is ready to insert the penis? Can the woman's performing orally on the man imply that it is okay for the man to insert into the vagina? Must the man always say something similar to "Excuse me, Susan, may I insert my penis into your vagina?" to avoid a rape charge?
Plus, getting permission from the drunk woman would not be getting an informed consent, due to the fact that she is drunk, so maybe no matter what, a man cannot insert his penis into a drunk woman, even if he is also drunk? Wouldn't that mean that it would be unlawful anytime any two people copulate when both are drunk? Does that make sense?
Edit: added "into" in the second paragraph.
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