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(108,903 posts) Thu Feb 13, 2014, 06:50 AM Feb 2014

America Is Preparing to Murder Its 5th Citizen by 'Remote Assassination' [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/america-preparing-murder-its-5th-citizen-remote-assassination-founders-are-turning

The Founding Fathers would be appalled if they knew what the Obama administration was up to right now.

On Monday, the Associated Press reported that the White House is considering using a drone strike to assassinate an American citizen accused of ties to Al-Qaida.

If the administration ends up approving the strike, the target would become the fifth American citizen killed by the government’s so-called “remote assassination program.”

News that the White House is considering killing yet another American comes less than a year after the President announced reforms to the drone program during a speech at the National Defense University.

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America Is Preparing to Murder Its 5th Citizen by 'Remote Assassination' [View all] xchrom Feb 2014 OP

Do you have the link to the AP article JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #1

a google search doesn't show the AP article xchrom Feb 2014 #2

Obama administration mulls lethal strike on American in Pakistan struggle4progress Feb 2014 #97

Source: U.S. debating targeted killing of American terror suspect overseas struggle4progress Feb 2014 #98

White House officials weigh drone attack on American suspect struggle4progress Feb 2014 #100

Thanksi JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #105

Hey, he's been accused. What else is needed before executing him? Scuba Feb 2014 #3

If they say he's guilty that good enough for me. reusrename Feb 2014 #9

Who needs due process when we have the word of "they"? Lol. whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #19

Yeah, who needs actual proof of guilt? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #46

This offer void where prohibited tomg Feb 2014 #4

IMO Obama has never shown any respect for or understaning of the Constitution bowens43 Feb 2014 #5

Yeah, he lost that credential when he declared Manning guilty. Scuba Feb 2014 #10

yes he did! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #55

Habeas corpus remains dead. Fearless Feb 2014 #6

If a Republican president was about to do this, it would have 200 recs before bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #7

Are you ProSense Feb 2014 #13

Was Bush president in 2011? We don't have to wonder what the reaction on the Left would be sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #16

He was in 2003. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #18

Your link was to one of your own OPs from 2011. Which didn't match at all, the sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #21

Thanks Obama. n/t PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #8

He could always turn himself in for a trial. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #11

Who is he?? Do you know? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #17

No - but the US government does. hack89 Feb 2014 #23

How do you know any of this? I don't know that such a person even exists. The Government has sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #47

I am saying that, if true, he should be afforded the opportunity to surrender hack89 Feb 2014 #49

No one has to TRY to be outraged about just what you stated. You outlined the sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #70

ok. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #71

Hell he probably doesn't even know who Al CIAduh is. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #58

Complaint! L0oniX Feb 2014 #39

Where is the arrest warrant? NCTraveler Feb 2014 #56

Sure - we can do all that first. hack89 Feb 2014 #57

Still don't think he is fair game. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #59

In principle, if he is actively waging war against America hack89 Feb 2014 #61

I do respect your opinion and am not all that far off. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #63

The definition of "waging war" has become as nebulous and useless as that of "terrorism". Maedhros Feb 2014 #64

ok. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #69

If trust has to enter into this extreme sanction of a US citizen.... Pholus Feb 2014 #77

"He could turn himself in for trial . . ." markpkessinger Feb 2014 #88

And the people who operate torture dungeons where even those we admit are innocent JoeyT Feb 2014 #112

Bush and Cheney can always turn themselves in for a trial too for war crimes frwrfpos Feb 2014 #92

the term American citizen is dubious. It has long been established that if you leave the US and take okaawhatever Feb 2014 #12

Glad your faith-based reasoning keeps your mind at ease whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #15

Who is this person you are confidently condemning to death? A 16 year old teenage American maybe? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #20

Incorrect. You must take up arms against USA with the INTENTION of relinquishing US nationality. Vattel Feb 2014 #22

Hasn't it been ruled that leaving the country and participating in actions against the US is okaawhatever Feb 2014 #28

John Walker Lind was arrested for fighting with Taliban but Vattel Feb 2014 #30

+1000 TheMathieu Feb 2014 #27

"want to harm this country" is subjective. L0oniX Feb 2014 #40

Obama's approval of "signature strikes" directly counters your claim Maedhros Feb 2014 #66

Actually, the word 'citizen' is beside the point in this context . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #85

Brought to you by the Drones For Peace program jsr Feb 2014 #14

+1 L0oniX Feb 2014 #37

+2 Enthusiast Feb 2014 #79

Bad headline. America isn't going to murder anyone with a drone; Obama is. DesMoinesDem Feb 2014 #24

Hey! Where's that DUer who goes on Fox News to tell us why drone killing is A-OK???? Romulox Feb 2014 #25

Is that the same one that goes to freeperville so they can tell us what freeps are saying? L0oniX Feb 2014 #36

I think his user name is something like SuperBlueProgressiveUltraDemocrat Maedhros Feb 2014 #67

lol, yep. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #95

EDIT: He Who Shall Not Be Named Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #65

Shh. Can't call out DUers specifically leser your post gets hidden... riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #99

Gotcha! I shall fix it. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #102

People like this assassinate themselves the moment they become our enemy. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #26

I know this is hard for some to grasp whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #29

Without a trial, how do we know this person is the "enemy"? nt ladjf Feb 2014 #33

Should we ask them real nice to come back from that Taliban training camp to stand trial? nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #41

My question was, "how do we know that the person was guilty without a trial"? ladjf Feb 2014 #42

I wouldn't say we are "replacing" our historic system of trial by jury with one that depends on the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #44

Thanks for the thorough explanation of your views on the subject. ladjf Feb 2014 #50

The problem is not knowing what specific behavior is a crime. reusrename Feb 2014 #101

Do you think every soldier on a battlefield has to be arrested and NYC Liberal Feb 2014 #43

Other than obvious deserters during the heat of battle, yes, I think all American soldiers should ladjf Feb 2014 #52

Not after the fact. Not after a surrender. NYC Liberal Feb 2014 #74

Of course not. They were casualties of war. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #81

As is this. He is on the battlefield waging war. NYC Liberal Feb 2014 #82

Rules for soldiers in combat are different . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #94

Yes. Good post. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #114

IOKIODI n2doc Feb 2014 #31

Nazis got a trial. L0oniX Feb 2014 #34

Only the ones that survived the war n/t n2doc Feb 2014 #35

A number of the Nazis who survived the war were later captured ladjf Feb 2014 #53

Many DUers seem to trust Obama with the unilateral power to decide to execute someone, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #62

Many DUers are wrong. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #80

You hit on the key point that the drone murder apologists keep missing: Maedhros Feb 2014 #75

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2014 #104

Look at the replies in this thread Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #93

Drones are like a box of chocolates... L0oniX Feb 2014 #32

This "murder by drone" has got to stop immediately. It disregards the Constitution in a flagrant ladjf Feb 2014 #38

Yeah, our Founding Fathers would never assassinate its own citizens! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #45

I think they wrote something into the laws they put in place about 'due process'. John Adams eg sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #48

That's soooo 18th century. We have to "look ahead". Like we did with CIA torturers. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #51

In WWII, there were a number of American Citizens of German descent who returned to Germany and Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #54

Talk about mixed feelings when you hear a drone nearby. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #60

Or your kid. Obama has no problem vaporozing children. He's good at it. Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #68

Handy guide for targeted citizens solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #72

+1 xchrom Feb 2014 #78

Should be an OP. Octafish Feb 2014 #90

Good one. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #96

I'm always shocked to read American's exceptionalism on this issue. As if different laws should msanthrope Feb 2014 #73

Actually, the Fifth Amendment applies to all persons under U.S. jurisdiction . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #86

And so does the AUMF of 9/18/2001. You've also made a fatal mistake about the 5th.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #113

Um... ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #76

I don't have a big problem with drone strikes ... kwassa Feb 2014 #83

Ever hear about someone being on the "no-fly list" because their name is similar to a terrorist? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #84

No one by mistake gets tracked by UAV's... EX500rider Feb 2014 #89

Exactly. Agree 100%. kwassa Feb 2014 #110

Good fucking god. woo me with science Feb 2014 #91

so, how do you really feel? Don't hold back. Express yourself. kwassa Feb 2014 #107

Agreed except for the "citizen" part. Bonobo Feb 2014 #109

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2014 #111

Me either as long as JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #106

Gee. Does anyone else seem to remember there had to be a trial first? Octafish Feb 2014 #87

If the President does it, it can't be illegal (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #108

It's getting scary out there... Mojo Electro Feb 2014 #103