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In reply to the discussion: This is How Citizens United Dies-Feds: Mexican tycoon exploited super PACs to influence US elections [View all]starroute
(12,977 posts)33. There's also this FEC case
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-07-19/news/9707190089_1_paul-hendrie-thomas-kramer-fec
July 19, 1997
A Florida developer has been fined a record $323,000 for funneling illegal contributions to Republican and Democratic campaigns, the Federal Election Commission announced Friday. The donations from Thomas Kramer were illegal because he is a German citizen.
The FEC also imposed a fine of $82,000 against Florida's Republican Party, which initially refused to give back most of Kramer's $205,000 in donations. That fine is a record for a party committee, according to the watchdog group Center for Responsive Politics.
More than a dozen politicians received the illegal funds during the 1994 campaign season, including Sen. Connie Mack (R-Fla.), Republican gubernatorial candidate Jeb Bush, U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), former state comptroller Gerald Lewis, former state Senate President Pat Thomas and many local candidates in Dade County. They were sent letters of admonishment but were not fined.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/19/us/fec-fines-german-citizen-for-us-campaign-donations.html
Mr. Kramer, a German citizen who runs businesses in Florida, made more than $320,000 in campaign contributions in the 1994 elections to both Republicans and Democrats, either directly or through his secretary, other intermediaries or through 17 businesses that he owned. Of this amount, $287,600 came through Mr. Kramer's businesses, at his direction.
Federal law prohibits foreign nationals, except those who hold registration cards granting them permission to live and work in the United States, from making contributions to elections in this country, or from directing others to do so. It is also unlawful for anyone to make campaign contributions in someone else's name.
July 19, 1997
A Florida developer has been fined a record $323,000 for funneling illegal contributions to Republican and Democratic campaigns, the Federal Election Commission announced Friday. The donations from Thomas Kramer were illegal because he is a German citizen.
The FEC also imposed a fine of $82,000 against Florida's Republican Party, which initially refused to give back most of Kramer's $205,000 in donations. That fine is a record for a party committee, according to the watchdog group Center for Responsive Politics.
More than a dozen politicians received the illegal funds during the 1994 campaign season, including Sen. Connie Mack (R-Fla.), Republican gubernatorial candidate Jeb Bush, U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), former state comptroller Gerald Lewis, former state Senate President Pat Thomas and many local candidates in Dade County. They were sent letters of admonishment but were not fined.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/19/us/fec-fines-german-citizen-for-us-campaign-donations.html
Mr. Kramer, a German citizen who runs businesses in Florida, made more than $320,000 in campaign contributions in the 1994 elections to both Republicans and Democrats, either directly or through his secretary, other intermediaries or through 17 businesses that he owned. Of this amount, $287,600 came through Mr. Kramer's businesses, at his direction.
Federal law prohibits foreign nationals, except those who hold registration cards granting them permission to live and work in the United States, from making contributions to elections in this country, or from directing others to do so. It is also unlawful for anyone to make campaign contributions in someone else's name.
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This is How Citizens United Dies-Feds: Mexican tycoon exploited super PACs to influence US elections [View all]
kpete
Feb 2014
OP
I like your spirit -- Refreshing counterbalance to my "discouraged old fart" tendencies these days
Armstead
Feb 2014
#8
To say nothing of the trend in certain countries for people to come to the US specifically
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#41
I am confident this court would say no to corporate speech where foreign nationals are the source
Vattel
Feb 2014
#12
The relevant court remedy would not be a fine but an order that stops the message
Vattel
Feb 2014
#31
You know, I hate to say it but sometimes you have to use people's irrational fears against
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#6
So what? Why would US based corps. have more of a right to buy election than foreign ones?
Romulox
Feb 2014
#11
That ruling is not consistent with either Citizens or previous Free Speech jurisprudence.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#20
People present in the US have virtually all the rights of citizens. Certainly 1st Amendment rights.
Romulox
Feb 2014
#35
I appreciate the feedback. Wasn't Citizens United about making a movie, though? nt
Romulox
Feb 2014
#38
So it seems anyone legally present in the US can spend unlimited money on such activity. nt
Romulox
Feb 2014
#81
I would also add that it is trivial for a foreign corporation to form a subsidiary in the US. nt
Romulox
Feb 2014
#21
According to this article, it was Alito. This article reflects Roberts' reaction to the issue.
Hassin Bin Sober
Feb 2014
#62
Cons and the tea party type believe it is fine to hide your sources of campaign funding and
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#27
We all knew this was going on, it's nice to see the truth rolling out. K & R
Firebrand Gary
Feb 2014
#34
Remember Alito shaking his head and mouthing no when the president brought this up in the sotu
kimbutgar
Feb 2014
#39
Corporations are associations of individuals, therefore have speech rights under the First Amendment
Vox Moi
Feb 2014
#51
Surely the felonious ones could never have dreamed their majority decision opened
indepat
Feb 2014
#66
Aren't they all foreign corporations now, headquartered in the Bahamas or Caymans?
tclambert
Feb 2014
#68