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Jenoch

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39. Do you have more details than those in the link?

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Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:00 AM

Feb 2014

Right now, I don't see enough details to make any assumptions about this altercation.

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A man claiming self-defense shot another man to death at a Walmart near my house... [View all] Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 OP

This will likely come down to pipoman Feb 2014 #1

You cannot use deadly force because you're in a fist fight. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #2

Stand your ground you definitely can. reusrename Feb 2014 #4

Stand your ground laws require a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #6

First, no one was trying to kill anyone before the gunshot. reusrename Feb 2014 #11

Really? Please show me the section of law that says that. X_Digger Feb 2014 #41

Sure, this is from FL: reusrename Feb 2014 #43

Quote the whole thing, please.. X_Digger Feb 2014 #44

Why hasn't anyone been charged yet then? reusrename Feb 2014 #46

No, it didn't "used to be" that way at all. X_Digger Feb 2014 #48

You're just not seeing the truth. reusrename Feb 2014 #52

Those goal posts must be heavy, why not set them down for a bit. X_Digger Feb 2014 #87

No reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death? NickB79 Feb 2014 #80

You most certainly can pipoman Feb 2014 #5

Approximately 12 times more people die annually from firearms than from fists or feet. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #9

No I chose long guns because it is true. . pipoman Feb 2014 #12

You chose long guns because it gives the false perception that fists are deadlier than guns. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #16

From your own link. pipoman Feb 2014 #26

Fighting a man at a Walmart register in the middle of the afternoon is not a street fight. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #31

The result is exactly the same, it isn't a boxing match either. . pipoman Feb 2014 #77

Unless of course Politicalboi Feb 2014 #30

Funny how people can jump to pipoman Feb 2014 #78

Getting beaten in Walmart is somehow less dangerous than a back alley? NickB79 Feb 2014 #79

You know good and well it is only because there are many more... Logical Feb 2014 #23

It's not whether they are more dangerous, pipoman Feb 2014 #29

If I was on the jury the guy better have not escalated it at all! nt Logical Feb 2014 #32

Then let's solve both problems at once and amputate everyone's hands. cui bono Feb 2014 #76

I think you need to read the actual laws ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #10

Yes you can. JVS Feb 2014 #13

Err, you definitely can, even before SYG. X_Digger Feb 2014 #25

That's not the case everywhere. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #63

Tell that to the Zimmerman jury Bandit Feb 2014 #85

The dead man was a champion brick layer. reusrename Feb 2014 #3

Where does it say that? pipoman Feb 2014 #7

There's a short video. reusrename Feb 2014 #14

But would thy start anything with someone else? pipoman Feb 2014 #19

It sounds like he started some argument with the guy's wife. reusrename Feb 2014 #21

The real split between stand your ground and not would be illustrated when we get to the question... JVS Feb 2014 #27

There seems to be a gap in your statement.. X_Digger Feb 2014 #28

I think there are a few more questions. JVS Feb 2014 #34

All good questions, yep. n/t X_Digger Feb 2014 #35

So if he pretend to try and get away he gets to legally kill the guy. reusrename Feb 2014 #49

Pretend to try to get away? How does one do that? JVS Feb 2014 #50

You lay on the ground with the guy on top of you and yell "HELP!" reusrename Feb 2014 #54

If someone is on top of you, you've already fulfilled your obligation to retreat. So I don't see... JVS Feb 2014 #55

How is it self defense to hold someone so they can't get away and then shoot them? reusrename Feb 2014 #56

You're talking about laying down and yelling for help as a way to fake trying to get away. JVS Feb 2014 #58

No one says he pretended to try and get away. reusrename Feb 2014 #61

If he's backing off, the other guy has no business following him to pursue a fight. That is the... JVS Feb 2014 #62

I understand the law. I get it. And the law makes this particular type of murder legal. reusrename Feb 2014 #66

Or pretend you're just some guy getting severely pummeled by a guy who is strong from... JVS Feb 2014 #71

Sounds like bullshit to me. reusrename Feb 2014 #72

Could it be that his self defense is why he isn't pipoman Feb 2014 #82

With SYG laws it doesn't matter WHO started the fight. The person with the gun that kills bluestate10 Feb 2014 #17

One small but important correction. reusrename Feb 2014 #36

SYG = Stroke Your Gun cvoogt Feb 2014 #38

"Picked a fight" is that like the assault equivalent to rape's "asking for it"? JVS Feb 2014 #15

From what I can tell he started some altercation with the dead man's wife. reusrename Feb 2014 #20

Was it a violent altercation or not? JVS Feb 2014 #24

Yeah, you're right. reusrename Feb 2014 #42

I'll wait for more details. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #51

Yeah, that's right. Maybe the wife or the dead guy were being assholes. reusrename Feb 2014 #53

The cops say he was losing the fight. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #59

I still think if you have concealed gun, you should have more responsibility. reusrename Feb 2014 #60

I strongly agree. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #64

Thank you, that's all I'm saying. reusrename Feb 2014 #65

I have gotten to the point that if I bump in to someone, I immediately apologized, not bluestate10 Feb 2014 #8

Your post reminds me of when I lived in Los Angeles. reusrename Feb 2014 #18

"An armed society makes for a polite society." LAGC Feb 2014 #45

Why do people need to carry a gun inside Walmart?.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #22

He's justified if he was defending himself from death or LittleBlue Feb 2014 #33

Wait! Doesn't this mean??? Chief D Feb 2014 #37

Or it equalizes a situation pipoman Feb 2014 #83

Do you have more details than those in the link? Jenoch Feb 2014 #39

who are you referring to when you say "these kinds of people" TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #40

This is insane. earthside Feb 2014 #47

Depends on what you mean by "this"... Straw Man Feb 2014 #57

It's exactly how the law is written. reusrename Feb 2014 #68

No. It isn't. Straw Man Feb 2014 #69

This may never see a jury. reusrename Feb 2014 #70

I think it will. In any case, you're still misinterpreting the law. Straw Man Feb 2014 #84

The last lard-laden bucket of fried chicken wings and legs is worth dying over. xfundy Feb 2014 #67

Damn fucking wild west circa Cha Feb 2014 #73

Hiya Neighbor! FormerOstrich Feb 2014 #74

If only the wife had a gun gwheezie Feb 2014 #75

We lived across the street for 15 years blueamy66 Feb 2014 #81

one day soon... Javaman Feb 2014 #86

Per all of my friends and family in Chandler and the news....no charges will be filed blueamy66 Feb 2014 #88