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leveymg

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31. You might also enjoy Gurdjieff and Ouspensky
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:38 AM
Mar 2012
Very much along the same line of "active mentation" as opposed to "meditative" approach to spiritual practice. The body is just a container - it is our souls, the "I" within the machine, that extend outward by which we feel and know the world. That goes on forever, and does not die.


By teaching others you will learn yourself.
In Search Of The Miraculous (1949)

Quotations of Gurdjieff from In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching (1949) by P. D. Ouspensky

The evolution of man is the evolution of his consciousness.
Objective knowledge, the idea of unity included, belongs to objective consciousness. The forms which express this knowledge when perceived by subjective consciousness are inevitably distorted and, instead of truth, they create more and more delusions.
In right knowledge the study of man must proceed on parallel lines with the study of the world, and the study of the world must run parallel with the study of man.

* It is impossible to recognize a wrong way without knowing the right way. This means that it is no use troubling oneself how to recognize a wrong way. One must think of how to find the right way.

* In properly organized groups no faith is required; what is required is simply a little trust and even that only for a little while, for the sooner a man begins to verify all he hears the better it is for him.

* A man can keep silence in such a ways that no one will even notice it. The whole point is that we say a good deal too much. If we limited ourselves to what is actually necessary, this alone would be keeping the silence. And it is the same with everything else, with food, with pleasures, with sleep; with everything there is a limit to what is necessary. After this "sin" begins. This is something that must be grasped, a "sin" is something which is not necessary.

* Man such as we know him, is a machine.

* In speaking of evolution it is necessary to understand from the outset that no mechanical evolution is possible. The evolution of man is the evolution of his consciousness.

* One of man’s important mistakes, one which must be remembered, is his illusion in regard to his I.
Man such as we know him, the "man-machine," the man who cannot "do," and with whom and through whom everything "happens," cannot have a permanent and single I. His I changes as quickly as his thoughts, feelings and moods, and he makes a profound mistake in considering himself always one and the same person; in reality he is always a different person, not the one he was a moment ago.

* Man has no permanent and unchangeable I. Every thought, every mood, every desire, every sensation, says "I".

* Man has no individual I. But there are, instead, hundreds and thousands of separate small "I"s, very often entirely unknown to one another, never coming into contact, or, on the contrary, hostile to each other, mutually exclusive and incompatible. Each minute, each moment, man is saying or thinking, "I". And each time his I is different. Just now it was a thought, now it is a desire, now a sensation, now another thought, and so on, endlessly. Man is a plurality. Man's name is legion.

* The being of two people can differ from one another more than the being of a mineral and of an animal. This is exactly what people do not understand. And they do not understand that knowledge depends on being. Not only do they not understand this latter but they definitely do not wish to understand it

* In literature, science, art, philosophy, religion, in individual and above all in social and political life, we can observe how the line of the development of forces deviates from its original direction and goes, after a certain time, in a diametrically opposite direction, still preserving its former name.

* Objective knowledge, the idea of unity included, belongs to objective consciousness. The forms which express this knowledge when perceived by subjective consciousness are inevitably distorted and, instead of truth, they create more and more delusions. With objective consciousness it is possible to see and feel the unity of everything. But for subjective consciousness the world is split up into millions of separate and unconnected phenomena. Attempts to connect these phenomena into some sort of system in a scientific or philosophical way lead to nothing because man cannot reconstruct the idea of the whole starting from separate facts and they cannot divine the principles of the division of the whole without knowing the laws upon which this division is based.

* RELIGION IS DOING; a man does not merely think his religion or feel it, he lives his religion as much as he is able, otherwise it is not religion but fantasy or philosophy. Whether he likes it or not he shows his attitude towards religion by his actions and he can show his attitude only by his actions. Therefore if his actions are opposed to those which are demanded by a given religion he cannot assert that he belongs to that religion.

* In right knowledge the study of man must proceed on parallel lines with the study of the world, and the study of the world must run parallel with the study of man.

* When we speak of prayer or of the results of prayer we always imply only one kind of prayer — petition, or we think that petition can be united with all other kinds of prayers.… Most prayers have nothing in common with petitions. I speak of ancient prayers; many of them are much older than Christianity. These prayers are, so to speak, recapitulations; by repeating them aloud or to himself a man endeavors to experience what is in them, their whole content, with his mind and his feeling.

* A man may be born, but in order to be born he must first die, and in order to die he must first awake.

* A man will renounce any pleasures you like but he will not give up his suffering.

* It is the greatest mistake to think that man is always one and the same. A man is never the same for long. He is continually changing. He seldom remains the same even for half an hour.

* Man has the possibility of existence after death. But possibility is one thing and the realization of the possibility is quite a different thing.

* You must understand that ordinary efforts do not count; only superefforts count.

* Without self knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave.

[edit] All and Everything: Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson (1950)
Hope of consciousness is strength.
Every one of those unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be cognizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as of the death of everyone upon whom his eyes or attention rests.

* ACCORDING TO the numerous deductions and conclusions made by me during experimental elucidations concerning the productivity of the perception by contemporary people of new impressions from what is heard and read, and also according to the thought of one of the sayings of popular wisdom I have just remembered, handed down to our days from very ancient times, which declares: “Any prayer may be heard by the Higher Powers and a corresponding answer obtained only if it is uttered thrice:

Firstly—for the welfare or the peace of the souls of one’s parents.
Secondly—for the welfare of one’s neighbor.
And only thirdly—for oneself personally.

* "Friendly Advice [Written impromptu by the author on delivering this book, already prepared for publication, to the printer" (1949)

* I find it necessary on the first page of this book, quite ready for publication, to give the following advice:

Read each of my written expositions thrice:
Firstly: at least as you have already become mechanized to read all your contemporary books and newspapers.
Secondly: as if you were reading aloud to another person.
And only thirdly: try and fathom the gist of my writings.

Only then will you be able to count upon forming your own impartial judgment, proper to yourself alone, on my writings. And only then can my hope be actualized that according to your understanding you will obtain the specific benefit for yourself which I anticipate, and which I wish for you with all my being.

* "Friendly Advice [Written impromptu by the author on delivering this book, already prepared for publication, to the printer" (1949)

* Faith of consciousness is freedom
Faith of feeling is weakness
Faith of body is stupidity.

* Love of consciousness evokes the same in response
Love of feeling evokes the opposite
Love of body depends only on type and polarity.

* Hope of consciousness is strength
Hope of feelings is slavery
Hope of body is disease.

* Every one of those unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be cognizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as of the death of everyone upon whom his eyes or attention rests. Only such a sensation and such a cognizance can now destroy the egoism completely crystallized in them that has swallowed up the whole of their Essence, and also that tendency to hate others which flows from it.

* The sole means now for the saving of the beings of the planet Earth would be to implant again into their presences a new organ ... of such properties that every one of these unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be cognizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as the death of everyone upon whom his eyes or attention rests. Only such a sensation and such a cognizance can now destroy the egoism completely crystallized in them.

[edit] All and Everything: Meetings with Remarkable Men (1963)
It is very difficult to explain what takes place in me when I see or hear anything majestic which allows no doubt that it proceeds from the actualization of Our Maker Creator.

* From my point of view, he can be called a remarkable man who stands out from those around him by the resourcefulness of his mind, and who knows how to be restrained in the manifestations which proceed from his nature, at the same time conducting himself justly and tolerantly towards the weaknesses of others.

* Faith can not be given to man. Faith arises in a man and increases in its action in him not as the result of automatic learning, that is, not from any automatic ascertainment of height, breadth, thickness, form and weight, or from the perception of anything by sight, hearing, touch, smell or taste, but from understanding.
Understanding is the essence obtained from information intentionally learned and from all kinds of experiences personally experienced.

* It is very difficult to explain what takes place in me when I see or hear anything majestic which allows no doubt that it proceeds from the actualization of Our Maker Creator. Each time, my tears flow of themselves. I weep, that is to say, it weeps in me, not from grief, no, but as if from tenderness.

* Formerly, it may be said, my whole being was possessed by egoism. All my manifestations and experiencings flowed from my vanity. The meeting with Father Giovanni killed all this, and from then on there gradually arose in me that "something" which has brought the whole of me to the unshakable conviction that, apart from the vanities of life, there exists a "something else" which must be the aim and ideal of every more or less thinking man, and that it is only this something else which may make a man really happy and give him real values, instead of the illusory "goods" with which in ordinary life he is always and in everything full.

* KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING ARE QUITE DIFFERENT. Only understanding can lead to being, whereas knowledge is but a passing presence in it.

* If you want to lose your faith, make friends with a priest.


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Flying like a bird with self built wings [View all] AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 OP
that's pretty awesome warrior1 Mar 2012 #1
Really totally awesome. n/t RebelOne Mar 2012 #5
I'm a bit skeptical lacrew Mar 2012 #7
Why are you a bit skeptical? RebelOne Mar 2012 #8
LOL lacrew Mar 2012 #12
More lacrew Mar 2012 #17
And he took off from the ground too. RC Mar 2012 #2
too cool madokie Mar 2012 #3
Wow! How cool! Auggie Mar 2012 #4
As fake as it gets. kayakjohnny Mar 2012 #6
Yep. Fake. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #11
Hey, if Jaimie thinks it's possible, I'm in. Robb Mar 2012 #13
I was under the impression the flight was human power only. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #22
I re-instate my verdict of fake. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #36
Might in fact be legit. Link: Robb Mar 2012 #9
It's cool, but it does use motors and batteries. Gregorian Mar 2012 #10
Until I see this from 3 angles, or an independent news video, I have to remain skeptical leveymg Mar 2012 #14
That's cool too. I hadn't heard of it either. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #18
In repeated dreams, I fly like a bird. Secret: it involves breath control. leveymg Mar 2012 #19
I've had dreams where I bounce alone, AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #24
Moon walking? Mars? leveymg Mar 2012 #25
Astral Plane? AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #28
Read Castaneda's "Yaqui Way of Knowledge", and picked up Journey, Tales, and a Separate Reality. leveymg Mar 2012 #29
I got a lot of them, the only one I didn't finish was the last I heard of AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #30
You might also enjoy Gurdjieff and Ouspensky leveymg Mar 2012 #31
Well, that's interesting. Reminds me of this: AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #33
Sounds like we both rode on Keesey's bus for a while. Further. leveymg Mar 2012 #34
Hadn't heard of Quadrophenia AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #37
It was adapted into a very good film about British youth culture in the early '60s. leveymg Mar 2012 #39
Yes, called "Festival Express" and we went to the opening at the Castro. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #40
I like this reply on link ,Translation: "suck it Icarus," bahrbearian Mar 2012 #15
All kinds of problems with this video. kayakjohnny Mar 2012 #16
I agree - a few of my observations: lacrew Mar 2012 #26
Interesting! burrowowl Mar 2012 #20
too much coolness varelse Mar 2012 #21
it took me.... unkachuck Mar 2012 #23
Dang it. Blocked at work. I'll watch at home. Courtesy Flush Mar 2012 #27
This Video is a CGI HOAX! coyote Mar 2012 #32
Not real Marrah_G Mar 2012 #35
wow. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #38
And like Icarus, he soared and soared, almost to the sun....until he realized he was but a CGI hoax. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2012 #41
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