Being against TPP because of NAFTA is fighting the last battle again. There are no jobs to lose with

[Savannahmann]

3. You are sadly mistaken

Many manufacturing jobs went overseas in a manner of speaking. After NAFTA, I was a truck driver, and within a year of it going live, I was picking up muffler parts from the Mexican Border near Laredo, the trailers were at max weight with the metal parts. I'd drive them to Oklahoma where they would be mated to an engine. Now, most of those engines are fully manufactured in Mexico. Serious loss of jobs right there.

Let's look at "Detroit" by which we mean American made cars. Here is General Motors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GM_factories

The much admired Chevrolet Cruze. 45% made in the USA. That means most of it is manufactured outside the US, and it's slapped together by some guys in Ohio. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/MadeInAmerica/page/made-america-car-american-made-13795239

How about the Ford Fusion, we heard that Detroit was making a comeback with the Fusion. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024265298 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories

Perhaps they're planning on renaming the town in Mexico where it's built Detroit, but otherwise not so much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermosillo_Stamping_%26_Assembly

Twenty percent of that car is considered "Built in the USA".

By comparison, my Toyota Sienna van is 75% made in the USA.

So by claiming that there were no jobs lost to NAFTA, and none would be lost to TPP is at best, wildly inaccurate.

The expense of the tariffs would not make a significant difference in India or China. Let's take India. Let's talk about the Tata Nano. It' cost about $2,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano It's made in India, and sold in India. Do you think we can compete with that? I guess we could try and explain to the folks in India that a Ford Fusion for ten times the money would be a better choice. What do you think that will result in?

NAFTA was a huge failure. It didn't help our economy, it hurt it by further degrading our manufacturing base. Everything we used to build is now being built overseas. China, that country you mention as a place where we can sell our products, is already making our products. One company I was impressed with was Marlow Yachts. They came up with a design for rugged dependable yachts that I learned about following clicks late one night. The company offices are on Snead Island Florida. Go team USA. Now you can go there and order yourself a boat. They will email the order to their factory, and once its made, and assembled, it will be delivered by a ship from the plant in China.

You might want to look into some of your beliefs, see if the facts match the rhetoric. Because I can tell you on this one, you're not exactly right.