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In reply to the discussion: Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all]politicman
(710 posts)'The Planck Epoch is the period of time up to 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang. That is the period of time in which it is hypothesized all the forces of the universe were condensed into one unified force. This included space time, though operating by vastly different mechanics than what we know now.
When the expansion and cooling began, space-time became its own entity. '
This is your problem, you are willing to believe that 'all the forces of the universe condensed into one unified force' but are unwilling to entertain the idea of where the forces came from.
Did this forces that condensed just always exist? Or was there conditions before those forces that allowed those forces to come into being?
'No, we rely on the laws of the natural world for our understanding. This includes not only classical Newtonian physics (which most people call physics) and quantum physics. A major selling point for quantum is the possibility of shedding some light on the behavior of the laws of nature during the Planck Epoch, due to quantum's study of physics on a very small scale.'
Again all we have are Newtonian physics and quantum physics for which to explain the question of how the universe originated. If those laws are inadequate to explain how according to your own words, 'the forces that condensed into one unified force' came into existing, then that not gonna cut it.
'There is no going back beyond the Planck Epoch. Space time not existing and what not.'
Why is there no going back? Seriously, are we to accept that time and space came into being because of forces that unified to create the universe but not also question where those forces came from?
Sure time and space as we know it might have come into being the moment the universe was created, sure we may not be capable of conceptualizing anything beyond that, but just because we cant do it does not dismiss the idea of forces existed before the universe was created.
After all, religion also teaches that humans are not capable of conceptualizing god, thus it relies on faith of something we don't understand. Not explaining the forces that were present to be able to condense and create the universe due to not being able to conceptualize it is also faith in something we don't understand.
Thus no difference in the faith required for both ideas.