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In reply to the discussion: Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)148. This is the last I'll reply to this.
Whether there was space time operating by vastly different mechanics is not the point, the point is that there was some sort of time before our space and time came into existence.
No, for all we know, there wasn't. There are hypotheses about pretime, notably the multiverse, but there is no conclusive evidence that time existed before space time existed. That's a terrible assumption to make.
Yes people with a lot more experience than me and you say they understand it, but have any of these people delved into and answered the question of where 'the forces that condensed to create the universe' came from?
Unfortunately if one were to ask that simple question, people like you and those you respect laugh them out of the room without answering attempting to answer a legitimate question.
Unfortunately if one were to ask that simple question, people like you and those you respect laugh them out of the room without answering attempting to answer a legitimate question.
No, you wouldn't get laughed out of the room, because it's a completely reasonable question to ask. The answer you'd likely get is "we don't know." Or possibly "it's likely there wasn't a first cause, based on what we do know."
Lastly as to your last points, I don't believe in the big bang, but anyway that asks me to and wants to force my children to learn all about the big bang as a theory of how we came into being, better have all the answer before they try that.
Don't force my children to have an education where the big bang and evolution are the correct answers when you don't yet have the full answers yourself.
Believing in god is the same as believing in something that can never be explained, for the big bang to occur there had to be the raw materials that condensed to create that bang, for those raw materials to exists there had to be something before that and so on.
Don't force my children to have an education where the big bang and evolution are the correct answers when you don't yet have the full answers yourself.
Believing in god is the same as believing in something that can never be explained, for the big bang to occur there had to be the raw materials that condensed to create that bang, for those raw materials to exists there had to be something before that and so on.
So if you demand that we have all the answers before we try to educate, should your neighborhood vet close down because we don't know why or how cats purr? Because you're setting a completely unreasonable standard for knowledge and frankly setting your children up for failure, and what's worse, you're doing it in favor of an unbelievably arrogant position that you just KNOW there are things about the natural world that cannot be explained.
We have the answers about the Big Bang. It's why it's risen to the level of theory in the scientific community; theories are degrees of certainty pretty damn high up the ladder. The Big Bang explains how once the universe came into being, how it has expanded and will continue to expand or contract. It has nothing at all to do with the origins of the universe, and since the only argument you have is the nonsense about infinite regress (which you fallaciously claim doesn't apply to your concept of a higher power), then you have no argument against the Big Bang theory.
And with that, I'm done. My only hope is that some of this got through to some other people reading it, otherwise it was a complete waste of time. Do me a favor and don't continue this with me. All it'll do is piss me off.
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As God, I Have To Say That This Is Actually True, But None Of You Will Be Able to Comprehend Why
Skraxx
Mar 2014
#267
While it may be true that Hoyle coined the term "Big Bang" he did so derisively.
CBGLuthier
Mar 2014
#6
Judeo-Christianity hardly possesses a monopoly on 'big-bang' cosmology-as-theology
Cirque du So-What
Mar 2014
#11
Yeah, I just prepended the 'breaking news' in keeping with this weeks CNN-ism n/t
IDemo
Mar 2014
#24
I want to believe that our universe was a being from another universe's equivalent to a...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2014
#39
If by "God" they mean Alan Guth's theory of hyperinflation, and Andrei Linde's theory of chaotic
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#42
I agree. Basically it's cover, so they can disguise the fact that it's really a fundy Xtian agenda
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#45
People more emotionally invested in getting you to affirm or deny a concept, than defining it
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#46
Did God do it Himself or contract it out? If so, He should fire the contractors.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#47
After the "black hole ate MH370?" fiasco, I really thought this was going to be satire
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2014
#55
both god and big bang rely on some sort of faith for they can never be proven beyond doubt
politicman
Mar 2014
#57
science has it immeasurable benefits but it is inacapable of answering the question
politicman
Mar 2014
#147
Does a prosecutor in a murder case have to kill the victim over again to "prove" murder?
Silent3
Mar 2014
#268
isnt that what religion is, believing in something higher than humans and human topics
politicman
Mar 2014
#63
Miracles may be human imgaination, but so is belieing that something just always existed.
politicman
Mar 2014
#93
doesnt matter the age of the universe, where did the original conditions for the universe come from.
politicman
Mar 2014
#107
please dont think I want you to believe or say what you are against, thats your perogative.
politicman
Mar 2014
#127
why is your faith in soemthing you cannot conceptaulize more valid than mine
politicman
Mar 2014
#223
can you have an explosion into nothing? doesnt there have to be something to have the explosion in?
politicman
Mar 2014
#69
gravity yes, something appear out of nowhere with no conditions for it to occur, no i dont believe
politicman
Mar 2014
#149
If you want to insult go ahead, just makes your inability to provide answers
politicman
Mar 2014
#158
exactly, bot ideas require faith, so why is anyone calling out the other for being wrong.
politicman
Mar 2014
#122
"unless you argue that something just always existed with no beginning what so ever."
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#131
theories can apparently explain alot if they never are able to be tested, dont you think
politicman
Mar 2014
#217
a 'hot and dense entity' is still something, an entity is still something that needed a beginning
politicman
Mar 2014
#100
time and space AS WE KNOW IT started with the universe, are we not to ask what was before that
politicman
Mar 2014
#118
yes i don't believe in evoulition, its too convienient that nothing has evolved since
politicman
Mar 2014
#185
I lose nothing by believing in god, instead I might gain something if I am right
politicman
Mar 2014
#193
you may think reality is more inspiring, but I think a higher being is a lot more inspiring
politicman
Mar 2014
#198
yes we dont live in the dark ages, but we dont have the answers to all the questions either
politicman
Mar 2014
#202
sorry if a cannot accept evolutionw without a proper explanation of why other creatures did not also
politicman
Mar 2014
#206
If life evolves according to habitat, why did Mars not evolve its own life to live in its habitat
politicman
Mar 2014
#225
It's why DU is seriously changing, not necessarily for the better...as results show
TeamPooka
Mar 2014
#258
No. If god caused the big bang, you are still left with the problem of what caused god.
FarCenter
Mar 2014
#59
No. The static model was roundly rejected in the mid-20th century for the reasons I gave you.
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#263
Of course it does. It also offers the same amount of proof of the non-existence of God. -nt
Liberal Veteran
Mar 2014
#94
The existence or non-existence of God makes not the slightest difference to the practice of science
eridani
Mar 2014
#188
On a recent expedition to the East Coast, I discovered the ancient seaport of Nantucket
Thor_MN
Mar 2014
#214
science does not fully predict what i do. therefore i am divine. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#249