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In reply to the discussion: So, let's see now... [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)140. A NATO country (Turkey) just caught planning a false flag attack to go to war against Syria
I hate to do this to you Will but this is important.
A NATO member country (Turkey) was just caught planning a false flag war, by instigating a fake "Syrian" attack on technically Turkish soil which would give Turkey, then NATO a *legal* pretext to jump in the war against Syria. The Western press, which is owned by the same corporations that buy our government every election cycle, is minimizing this to "Turkey bans YouTube". There's a thread in LBN about this "Turkey blocks access to YouTube after leaked recordings of key security meeting"
Look at this deceitful, minimized reporting from CNN:
(CNN) -- The Turkish government banned YouTube on Thursday, less than a week after Ankara made a similar blackout of the social networking site Twitter, which is estimated to have more than 10 million Turkish users.
Neither website can be reached on Turkish Internet networks.
The crackdown comes just days before Turks are expected to go to the polls in nationwide municipal elections.
The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/europe/turkey-youtube-blocked/
Neither website can be reached on Turkish Internet networks.
The crackdown comes just days before Turks are expected to go to the polls in nationwide municipal elections.
The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/europe/turkey-youtube-blocked/
Reuters seems to be the only Western outlet out there with any decency.
"They even leaked a national security meeting," Erdogan said at a campaign rally. "This is villainous, this is dishonesty ... Who are you serving by doing audio surveillance of such an important meeting?"
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"NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE"
Turkey threatened two weeks ago to retaliate for any attack on the tomb following clashes between militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), an al Qaeda breakaway group, and rival rebel groups in the area, east of Aleppo near the Turkish border.
"An operation against ISIL has international legitimacy. We will define it as al Qaeda. There are no issues on the al Qaeda framework. When it comes to the Suleyman Shah tomb, it's about the protection of national soil," a voice presented as that of foreign ministry undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu says.
When the discussion turns to the need to justify such an operation, the voice purportedly of Fidan says: "Now look, my commander, if there is to be justification, the justification is, I send four men to the other side. I get them to fire eight missiles into empty land. That's not a problem. Justification can be created."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBREA2Q17420140327
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"NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE"
Turkey threatened two weeks ago to retaliate for any attack on the tomb following clashes between militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), an al Qaeda breakaway group, and rival rebel groups in the area, east of Aleppo near the Turkish border.
"An operation against ISIL has international legitimacy. We will define it as al Qaeda. There are no issues on the al Qaeda framework. When it comes to the Suleyman Shah tomb, it's about the protection of national soil," a voice presented as that of foreign ministry undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu says.
When the discussion turns to the need to justify such an operation, the voice purportedly of Fidan says: "Now look, my commander, if there is to be justification, the justification is, I send four men to the other side. I get them to fire eight missiles into empty land. That's not a problem. Justification can be created."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBREA2Q17420140327
A few more details. It's all over the net.
Hakan Fidan: Ill send 4 men from Syria, if thats what it takes. Ill make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.
Yaşar Güler: Its a direct cause of war. I mean, what were going to do is a direct cause of war.
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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I dont know what were going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I dont think itd be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.
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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Thats what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. Were going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, theres no distress there if its a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, thats a matter of protecting our land.
Yaşar Güler: We dont have any problems with that.
Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, itll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago
Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels.
http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/21ib4d/leaked_recording_of_turkish_officials_discussing/
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.
Yaşar Güler: Its a direct cause of war. I mean, what were going to do is a direct cause of war.
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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I dont know what were going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I dont think itd be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.
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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Thats what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. Were going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, theres no distress there if its a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, thats a matter of protecting our land.
Yaşar Güler: We dont have any problems with that.
Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, itll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago
Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels.
http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/21ib4d/leaked_recording_of_turkish_officials_discussing/
The tomb of Suleyman Shah is sovereign territory of Turkey under a treaty signed with France in 1921 while Syria was still under colonial rule. Turkey maintains a force of two dozen special forces soldiers at the tomb to permanently guard it. ISIL and other rebels groups fighting Assad have clashed near the tomb.
![](http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/533458a3ecad045c1cb634fa-626-490/screen%20shot%202014-03-27%20at%2012.57.51%20pm.png)
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Turkey has blocked access to YouTube in an attempt to stop the video from being disseminated. This block follows a week after the Turkish government blocked Twitter in a similar desperate bid to limit the reach of other damaging leaked recordings.
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When asked about justification for an incursion into Syria, intelligence chief Hakan Fidan allegedly responded: "Justification can be created. The matter is to create the will."
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http://www.businessinsider.com/erdogan-leak-about-syria-2014-3
![](http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/533458a3ecad045c1cb634fa-626-490/screen%20shot%202014-03-27%20at%2012.57.51%20pm.png)
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Turkey has blocked access to YouTube in an attempt to stop the video from being disseminated. This block follows a week after the Turkish government blocked Twitter in a similar desperate bid to limit the reach of other damaging leaked recordings.
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When asked about justification for an incursion into Syria, intelligence chief Hakan Fidan allegedly responded: "Justification can be created. The matter is to create the will."
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http://www.businessinsider.com/erdogan-leak-about-syria-2014-3
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