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In reply to the discussion: Presidents should be questioned and confronted, not idolized [View all]BeyondGeography
(39,409 posts)31. I find the current President infinitely more admirable than his most unfair critics here
Which is good, because he is President after all.
Nice guilty until proven innocent mindset you have there, btw.
I think we can agree that high amounts of ambition and self-regard are required for the job, and there's an untidiness to all of that, but psychopathy, a propensity for lying and a complete lack of empathy...that's OTT, like much of the criticism we see here.
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There's a huge space between seeing a POTUS as a respectable figure who can be criticized >
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#1
Of course your "respect for the office" argument falls apart with a republican president
whatchamacallit
Mar 2014
#4
I didn't say "respect for the office". I intentionally said respect for a President of the USA who
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#9
We should care about the level of political discourse, which apparently is the topic here. Or is it
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#165
Maybe the millions of innocent victims he created many of whom are still trying to get
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#247
Well, I've pretty much followed your advice when criticizing policies of not just this president but
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#26
It's nice to see some civility. It's too bad that everyone with policy disagreements could not get
totodeinhere
Mar 2014
#215
Part of the problem is that Bush left such a rancid stench on the office that
totodeinhere
Mar 2014
#218
I'm with you on that. And I fail to see how the phrase is any different from "respect the badge"...
Marr
Mar 2014
#219
They are executives. Marketing is done by subordinates. Can they do much to rally people
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#16
How can you respect an executive that carries the wrong message, shaped by his marketeers?
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2014
#87
"salesman"? really? Now the Piece of shit used car salesman is reduced to "salesman"? I don't
Cha
Mar 2014
#44
Gee, when FDR referred to a "Day that will live in infamy," no one called him a "piece of shit used
MADem
Mar 2014
#179
He made two posts. The first one did call the President a 'piece of shit' and a 'used car salesman'.
randome
Mar 2014
#118
So, in the term "Millionaire Used Car Salesman" the "Millionaire" bit refers to the CAR, not the
MADem
Mar 2014
#263
No, no President deserves the benefit of the doubt. On the contrary, the People deserve the truth.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#25
When any elected official is pushing bad policies they do NOT deserve the 'benefit of the doubt'.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#30
Do you think that opposing the TPP is tilting at windmills? Do you think we should just
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#157
I have never called anyone out for posting about the TPP. Yes, I think it's a legitimate issue.
randome
Mar 2014
#193
I believe leadership at that level has to foster some semblance of Stoicism.
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#11
Certain qualities of "leadership" correlate strongly with psychopathic traits.
Spider Jerusalem
Mar 2014
#84
Every person who SEEKS the office knows the awful power that comes with it...
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2014
#39
I know. But it *is* required to support Democrats - especially in an election year.
BlueCaliDem
Mar 2014
#135
Exactly. People here hide their demonization as fair criticism. That's the problem.
berni_mccoy
Mar 2014
#75
Bullshit. Obama gets criticized every day by people using lies lovingly crafted by Republicans.
baldguy
Mar 2014
#132
There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#8
So, you think that presidents should be sanctified when they take office?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#53
Just an observation that some times an ass can say something a lot of humans can agree upon.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#64
Perfect post. It has always tickled me to no end that the ones throwing "lockstepper" and
Number23
Mar 2014
#100
I find the current President infinitely more admirable than his most unfair critics here
BeyondGeography
Mar 2014
#31
Most people possess & exhibit a propensity for lying, and a bolstered sense of self and, certainly,
lumpy
Mar 2014
#57
I think there should be a bipartisan effort to strengthen the legitimacy of the office myself.
GiveMeMorePIE
Mar 2014
#35
It was Bush that destroyed the legitimacy of the office and the absolution of Bush
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#40
Presidents' actions or lack thereof are certainly open for either criticism or praise, imo...
Spazito
Mar 2014
#37
No one here has announced there should be no criticism of the Prez or stand by him right or wrong.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#65
It doesn't take much brain power to figure out what is criticism and what is bashing.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#111
It doesn't take superhuman powers to divine what is criticism and what is bashing.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#134
Nobody's fucking "idolizing".. and this is where the communication breaks down. You cover up the
Cha
Mar 2014
#45
People would like to think that politicians are "leaders" rather than public servants.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#47
Thanks for correcting that. I have gotten to the point I don't bother. Google would prove most
freshwest
Mar 2014
#271
Sometimes I think there is a strong corrolation between partisanship and authoritarianism. nt
rrneck
Mar 2014
#50
it's very clear based on him never objecting to attacks on republicans and this being DEMOCRATIC
JI7
Mar 2014
#167
no it's not , look at the board DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND , you have to consider the context of where
JI7
Mar 2014
#172
I will ask again, are you intending to extend this courtesy to all Presidents
nadinbrzezinski
Mar 2014
#108
Interesting that, huh? But we have some here who freely admit they are former GOP but always post
freshwest
Mar 2014
#187
I was looking for some information on her trip there... And one of the first search resutls was a
freshwest
Mar 2014
#273
Yes, the executive office connects with the message and leads as a result...
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2014
#88
When I hear the attackers of the president come up with 1 good idea, I might listen to them
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#92
And it is proving to be a problem. Time will tell whether the problem will be solved.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#137
I agree. Out of context. Plus the whiners have 0 ideas. I've yet to hear one. They have none. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#250
DAMN right and WELL said! Full marks for you, go to the head of the class!!!!! nt
MADem
Mar 2014
#180
Politicians are servants of the people...and anyone who is abusive towards their servants is an ass.
MADem
Mar 2014
#178
Come on--this IS a partisan website, after all. You are, since you've been here as long as I have,
MADem
Mar 2014
#258
Leaders and those in positions of power should always be under much more scrutiny.
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#208