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verwirrt

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34. Getting Close
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:56 AM
Apr 2014

This post is on the right track but missing the most critical component. Spite is a factor but not in why they vote against their interests. Spite is a factor in why they are reluctant to listen to anything any of us have to say in the first place. The reason for this is that in rural areas, especially the south, they are well beyond tired of hearing the constant ridicule and put downs. At this point they aren't listening out of spite that much is true. The worst thing you can do if you want to win an election is insult a potential voter.

However, that doesn't answer the question of why they vote against their interests because even with that issue in place many of them, contrary to what we like to think, actually do educate themselves on the issues to some degree. The answer to the question and underlying political problem for the Democratic Party is that these people are not voting against their self interests at least not in how they define their self interests. By the way, I speak from experience when I say telling them that their view of their own self interests is wrong results in the above mention spite issue. In their minds, self interest is best served by keeping other people out of their business. (Although the religious ones seem to often forget this works the other way too.) These people truly believe that they and only they are best suited to make decisions the directly effect them. They view even the most noble government mandates as authoritarian interlopers attempting to usurp their own self determination. Couple that with a mindset in which these people have given far too much credence to Heinlein's line about bread and circuses that you end up with people who genuinely believe that if government was kept to its bear minimum capabilities that the individuals who make up society would eventually address the issues that need to be addressing, oh and they have accepted that a necessarily long time frame for such an occurrence is an acceptable downside in the name of "freedom"

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some pretty 'sick' attitudes out there... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #1
From the article... rrneck Apr 2014 #2
I like this. Seeking Serenity Apr 2014 #11
Of course you assume that people, who vote, are informed iemitsu Apr 2014 #30
I assume that people know what their own interests are Seeking Serenity Apr 2014 #33
I think you are right about people knowing what their iemitsu Apr 2014 #46
Getting Close verwirrt Apr 2014 #34
To your first point... Tunkamerica Apr 2014 #53
As my Mom calls it "Bite your nose to spite your face". n/t DebJ Apr 2014 #3
Thanks Jackpine. Helps explain why people vote for Squatt Wanker. Scuba Apr 2014 #4
Non Voters Like The Millions otohara Apr 2014 #5
It's probably some tribal remnant flamingdem Apr 2014 #6
Interesting conclusions to this study. iemitsu Apr 2014 #7
Here's another WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #21
I think that some fair-minded types need to develop some strategies associated with spite iemitsu Apr 2014 #29
I'm still not sure how someone votes against their own interest The2ndWheel Apr 2014 #8
To vote to have less of something yourself because you want to screw over others Lex Apr 2014 #10
According to someone who isn't the person casting that vote The2ndWheel Apr 2014 #22
That's totally circular. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #13
Excellent point. It's more about one's priorities... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #27
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Maybe some people think it's in their best interest to have low wages and no health care Lex Apr 2014 #12
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Those are not mutually exclusive to decent wages and health care Lex Apr 2014 #16
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They still aren't mutually exclusive even though people are been told they are. Lex Apr 2014 #28
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I suppose Democrats could use scare tactics and the like Lex Apr 2014 #36
Or they could take a different approach zeemike Apr 2014 #43
Sales tax is regressive. Its in the interest of wealthy people, iemitsu Apr 2014 #47
It does not have to be. zeemike Apr 2014 #48
Perhaps a tax structure such as you describe would work and be more fair iemitsu Apr 2014 #49
They're "perceived as being weak" because republicans tell lies shamelessly n/t arcane1 Apr 2014 #39
Very fear oriented. Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #25
That is a sort of Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #15
There's the paternalism I mentioned upthread Seeking Serenity Apr 2014 #18
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Spite fills in the voids where love should reside seveneyes Apr 2014 #17
This doesn't take into consideration that there aren't many choices... polichick Apr 2014 #20
Agree...it's more complicated.. n/t KoKo Apr 2014 #23
One more reason half the eligible voters don't vote leftstreet Apr 2014 #26
I don't think it is voting against their interests dr.strangelove Apr 2014 #31
LBJ said iandhr Apr 2014 #35
He was correct. nt Lex Apr 2014 #37
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Welcome to DU pintobean Apr 2014 #40
Trotsky also explained why, there are multiple reasons prommie Apr 2014 #41
Indoctrination, conformity. moondust Apr 2014 #42
I stumbled across this Churchill quote sailfla Apr 2014 #44
It seems to me I could benefit greatly kairos12 Apr 2014 #45
So many brainwashed masochists. Too bad they don't think enough of Cha Apr 2014 #50
And the GOP is the best at channeling spite. joshcryer Apr 2014 #51
Very few people vote for their interests. They vote for the kind of world they want to live in eridani Apr 2014 #52
It starts with hate. And then they say, 'if they're for something, we must be against it.' reformist2 Apr 2014 #54
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