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CAPHAVOC

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22. They must want to lose

Reply to karynnj (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:06 PM

Mar 2012

And with that plan they probably will. Ryan thinks he is a real genius.

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If the ACA Is Abolished, Then It's Pure Battle between Private Health Ins. and Single Payer [View all] Yavin4 Mar 2012 OP

And will be decided by who wins the elections - plural - this year. freshwest Mar 2012 #1

If presented in the right way I think you could get enough Republicans to approve Medicare for all. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #2

Their history with Medicare and Social Security for decades goes against that idea. freshwest Mar 2012 #5

Exactly. It is just about delusional to think that the Republicans will endose single-payer. TheWraith Mar 2012 #73

Either you or I totally misunderstand where the REpublican Party stands today. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #6

GOP answer is no health care for millions Johonny Mar 2012 #7

How ironic--in 1992 the Repubs invented the Affordable Care Act more or less librechik Mar 2012 #77

How do you see that happening? I'm wondering what would cause the GOP to have a change CTyankee Mar 2012 #11

The people CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #13

I've always liked "Medicare for all" but didn't the insurance industry kill it, through the tender CTyankee Mar 2012 #16

Answer...Obama CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #24

I think he saw no reason to forgo health care reform by fighting for what he probably deemed CTyankee Mar 2012 #27

Dunno CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31

Hopefully, we'll get Chris Murphy as our next Senator, replacing Joe. CTyankee Mar 2012 #34

Is he good? CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #36

He's great. He's not my rep (Rosa Delauro is) but he is one of the really good guys. CTyankee Mar 2012 #44

Why did nearly all Congressional Republicans vote for the Ryan budget karynnj Mar 2012 #18

They must want to lose CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #22

"The GOP would go with it or cease to exist." NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #56

Do you know something Bernie Sanders and John Kerry don't? karynnj Mar 2012 #15

It needs to have vocal public advocates. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #32

And do what? What do you think he can tell people to change their minds, exactly? stevenleser Mar 2012 #40

Sell the people. Use irrefutable non-confrontational logical arguments. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #43

Share some with me, and then lets video tape each of us making that argument to people who stevenleser Mar 2012 #45

My first point would be that CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #61

I thought the polls already showed 70% or more in favor of single payer. ieoeja Mar 2012 #68

I watched the healthcare debates karynnj Mar 2012 #71

LOL no. Today's Republicans would abolish Medicare altogether... NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #35

They CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #38

For that very reason it will not be abolished. As you indicate, that action would rhett o rick Mar 2012 #3

Single payer has to happen for this country to continue. libtodeath Mar 2012 #4

And there you have it. "This country" meaning a free democracy is already gone. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #8

I believe it is happening libtodeath Mar 2012 #12

What specifically do you think "is happening"? rhett o rick Mar 2012 #19

I don't think we can underestimate what Occupy has done. We are now talking about the CTyankee Mar 2012 #28

I know it has to get there but right now libtodeath Mar 2012 #47

Then why doesn't it have to happen in Germany, France, Switzerland and Japan? bornskeptic Mar 2012 #33

They do have universal health care paid for through taxes, tho. They simply do it through CTyankee Mar 2012 #39

But it will all be fine because fewer babies will be aborted. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #9

Neither is ACA zipplewrath Mar 2012 #10

The Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act is private, for profit healthcare access. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #14

Single Payer/Medicare for all will never happen... vi5 Mar 2012 #17

Agree. The revolution is waiting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #20

Actually, there is a way. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #23

I'm unable to do that... vi5 Mar 2012 #25

I'm probably in your boat. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #26

Medicare is less liberal CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #41

Everyone's familiar with Medicare. It doesn't have the "scary" quotient mainer Mar 2012 #46

I always thought Medicare, being a trusted "brand" to the American people, would be a much CTyankee Mar 2012 #49

Yes I agree. I do not think Medicare is Socialism anyway. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #55

Every other modern industrialized country in the whole world have socialized medicine. CTyankee Mar 2012 #60

Medicare for the non-elderly is liberal.... vi5 Mar 2012 #62

"it insures Democrats will be even more timid" kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #74

It will happen in the minds of those that have deluded themselves. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #76

It already is a battle Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #21

I dont see it that way. I see a defeat of the individual mandate as a proxy defeat for single payer stevenleser Mar 2012 #29

Legally it might be different for single-payer andym Mar 2012 #66

If we do it the way you mention where there are opt outs, I think it would be harder for them to stevenleser Mar 2012 #67

I just heard Governor Rendell saying the same thing on MSNBC. Cleita Mar 2012 #30

They should have gone with the Public Option in 2009 jzodda Mar 2012 #37

You would still be looking at a Supreme Court challenge via similar arguments. stevenleser Mar 2012 #42

Actually thats not accurate jzodda Mar 2012 #50

Medicare is not provided to everybody, it's specifically for the elderly. It's not about commercial stevenleser Mar 2012 #52

Actually Its also about Medicaid jzodda Mar 2012 #54

Thats the problem, you are making an assumption. Think about this for a minute. stevenleser Mar 2012 #58

I disagree because Medicare is Legal and Constitutional. jzodda Mar 2012 #64

Not necessarily. Medicare can be justified as an exception because retired elderly dont work and stevenleser Mar 2012 #69

Although we disagree on how the public option would be viewed on review by the Court jzodda Mar 2012 #79

The public option would be tax-funded. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #51

They arent arguing that at the SCOTUS. They are arguing forcing all people to pay for something. stevenleser Mar 2012 #53

The issue is vastly different jzodda Mar 2012 #57

Some want to think so.I dont think five conservative justices will find it different in a better way stevenleser Mar 2012 #59

Yes but Medicare Part D was litigated and they refused to take the case jzodda Mar 2012 #65

Right but whose law was Medicare Part D and did it forceably cover every person in the country? stevenleser Mar 2012 #72

the whole idea of healthcare will be toxic for many years spanone Mar 2012 #48

No politician in his or her right mind will lead the battle for public health care. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #78

Interesting ProSense Mar 2012 #63

never mind geardaddy Mar 2012 #70

A battle that Single Payer has lost over and over again. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #75