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nilesobek

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106. I did not vote out of fear of a rumor

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:53 AM

Apr 2014

that a DU member is playing statistician with polling data.

If there ever were a legitimate investigation, plenty of Democrats would be swept up and jailed as a result of enabling the neo-cons. Let that be a lesson for all Democrats.

The last government cannot pass the Nurenburg trial tests. Could the present one pass?

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Do you think George W. Bush should be prosecuted by the Obama administration for torture? [View all] Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 OP

Yes. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #1

Yes. Specifically, I want hearings and investigations into everything that happened after Sept. 11, quinnox Apr 2014 #2

Yes. calimary Apr 2014 #3

Damn right. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #4

Voted no for a couple of reasons. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #5

regarding your point #2: DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #11

Fully agree with what you said. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #13

Right--and I agree with your follow-up Have a great weekend. nt DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #15

I voted yes AND was cognizant of point 2 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #19

I don't think it is too difficult with respect to right and wrong. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #20

You make waaaaaaay too much sense WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #26

It's too late now, maybe--but yeah. What a stain on our country. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #6

No, I never though there should be prosecutions. Something like Truth & Reconciliations Hearings KittyWampus Apr 2014 #7

Of course I do. nt DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #8

That should have happened, yes. Solly Mack Apr 2014 #9

For breaking what law? Recursion Apr 2014 #10

For violating the UN convention against torture? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #14

and what if torture has taken place under our current president? Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #16

Yes that is possible Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #23

I don't have links to articles handy but m-lekktor Apr 2014 #76

Ratified treaties must have enabling legislation to be binding criminal law Recursion Apr 2014 #17

I have no idea either. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #18

We have federal statutes against torture, yes. Solly Mack Apr 2014 #27

Thank you! Rex Apr 2014 #68

So, the thing about CYAs is that they tend to C As. Recursion Apr 2014 #128

That change doesn't prevent prosecutions. The law still applies. Solly Mack Apr 2014 #130

then shouldn't it be up to the Hague? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #29

We don't fall under The Hague at all. yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #37

But Obama IS working on THAT... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #43

Nope, the US is not a signatory and does not participate in the World Court Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #44

Obama is changing that....much to your chagrin... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #46

You can bold Wiki entries all you want. former9thward Apr 2014 #80

Try again... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #81

If you want to ignore reality go ahead. former9thward Apr 2014 #90

I gave you facts that we HAVE progressed on THAT too! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #94

only progress that matters Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #100

No actually...progress IS progress..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #104

the only progress qazplm Apr 2014 #113

to YOU.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #118

what do you define as Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #121

Definitions.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #137

I don't think that makes it us law Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #123

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #24

In violation of what section of the US code or UCMJ? Recursion Apr 2014 #25

oh now its just the US code? Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #28

UCMJ, not MCMJ Recursion Apr 2014 #30

prosecution is the only way back to civilized society questionseverything Apr 2014 #33

Yes, but it'll never happen sakabatou Apr 2014 #12

K&R blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #21

Truth & Reconciliations Hearings Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #22

I don't like how you phrased the choices, so I'll rephrase my answer below rock Apr 2014 #31

Yes. And, the ones who actually performed the torture. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #32

They gave themselves legal cover. It's reprehensible and plain wrong but... randome Apr 2014 #34

legal cover not possible for this questionseverything Apr 2014 #48

I agree, anything of that nature should be prosecuted no matter what. randome Apr 2014 #50

+1 they would fight those issues at every level in the courts treestar Apr 2014 #85

And in the process damage the Democratic brand. randome Apr 2014 #87

the public is already torn to pieces Doctor_J Apr 2014 #135

This is a really tough one! Whisp Apr 2014 #35

If there is solid evidence fredamae Apr 2014 #36

Where is the "Fucking Hell Yes" option? riqster Apr 2014 #38

No. It would be a waste of Obama's time Submariner Apr 2014 #39

Yes, but that will never happen because bush et all are immune because of our laws. Sunlei Apr 2014 #40

No KamaAina Apr 2014 #41

How so? Are they just going to turn themselves over? TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #51

Absolutely. Although it would be pretty hypocritical coming from the Obama administration. PoliticalPothead Apr 2014 #42

So let them die because the GOP refuses to release them? randome Apr 2014 #49

So what percentage of liberal Democrats think Dubya should be prosecuted for torture? Fumesucker Apr 2014 #45

I don't see the point of this. Ain't ever, ever, ever going to happen. themaguffin Apr 2014 #47

Then there is no legitimate rule of law, leaving us with just us and no justice. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #56

and it ain't happening. So just give up on life, or work on what CAN happen themaguffin Apr 2014 #66

This is basic there is no "can", if we can't then anything that can happen is a gift not the fruit TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #114

That's what I'm there is no "can" in this, so focus on what what CAN be done. Not wishing. themaguffin Apr 2014 #131

Nothing can be done then, we can be granted a few boons that don't cost anything. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #132

Hell, yes. "A Guide to the Memos on Torture": Lars39 Apr 2014 #52

I voted Pass... And I'll tell you why... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #53

i want invetigations into why impeachment was off the table leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #54

Huh? A criminal investigation into why Congress took impeachment of Bush off the table? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #57

i know, but that's what i want leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #97

Although I think Cheney is more guilty. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #55

Yes. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #58

Obama's claims of Big Religion are so bogus while he looks the other way at Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #59

Big Religion? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #65

I voted No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #60

Fair, but mustn't the threat exist Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #124

in a perfect world, shrub, cheney, rummy, ect, would be up on treason and war crimes charges. dionysus Apr 2014 #61

That's why I voted no... Blanks Apr 2014 #69

Ideally, yes. But it's a bad political precedent, IMO. Adrahil Apr 2014 #62

I think he should be prosecuted, period. Iggo Apr 2014 #63

America will never never never be what you think if they are not polynomial Apr 2014 #64

This is a serious question? whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #67

Looks like DU sentiment is pretty overwhelming. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #70

Yes (nt) bigwillq Apr 2014 #71

It's very telling that 20 people voted no. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #72

Make that 21... brooklynite Apr 2014 #73

Post #27 Rex Apr 2014 #74

Post 27, which mentions the specific CYA law that is the problem? Recursion Apr 2014 #129

Are you being serious? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #75

I voted No KamaAina Apr 2014 #77

Not really. bigwillq Apr 2014 #79

Yes, Obama should prosecute. Brigid Apr 2014 #78

That's a moot point. idendoit Apr 2014 #82

and treason n/t 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #83

Good question. I say no because it would become a long circus treestar Apr 2014 #84

If we actually had a JUST administration... 99Forever Apr 2014 #86

Since Dick and George were instrumental in the torture of non-US citizens Sheepshank Apr 2014 #88

They tortured in our name, on our dime, and spread incalculable rot in our institutions. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #115

your snark wasn't necessary on a valid question, where international law is confusing Sheepshank Apr 2014 #133

What snark? Anger? Sure, guilty as charged. Snark? What I said doesn't even rise to mild sarcasm. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #136

Damned Fuckin Tootin !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #89

Same here WillyT johnnyreb Apr 2014 #116

(((((((johnnyreb))))))) WillyT Apr 2014 #120

I really think he should be prosecuted onethatcares Apr 2014 #91

Obama Administration SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JUSTICE. Octafish Apr 2014 #92

I VOTED YES (170 votes) and clicked recommend trueblue2007 Apr 2014 #93

He'll might as well... CFLDem Apr 2014 #95

No. If we prosecute every President for bad decisions, every President bluestate10 Apr 2014 #96

You don't want to go after Bush, but you have it in for Nader voters DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #117

Disgusting isn't it? neverforget Apr 2014 #125

How the hell is George W. Bush not accountable and responsible for his own actions? TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #139

Yes and prosecute EVERYONE and ANYONE involved regardless of party Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #98

For torture and other crimes. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #99

I don't see it happening… Champion Jack Apr 2014 #101

Yes - Absoulutely - Without A Doubt - He Should Pay Dearly For His Crimes cantbeserious Apr 2014 #102

Bush and clearly a number of others. Bush was a tool, there were many others RKP5637 Apr 2014 #103

Yes! onecaliberal Apr 2014 #105

I did not vote out of fear of a rumor nilesobek Apr 2014 #106

War crimes are war crimes. 99Forever Apr 2014 #107

Fuzzy, warm feelings surround me nilesobek Apr 2014 #109

I have no idea what your point is. n/t 99Forever Apr 2014 #110

Very hard question karynnj Apr 2014 #108

So maybe marions ghost Apr 2014 #138

i think we need to waterboard both W + cheeney on live teevee + then say we are sorry for these pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #111

He should be prosecuted for something jmowreader Apr 2014 #112

Yes. Just because it will never happen doesn't mean it shouldn't. Raksha Apr 2014 #119

Bush? Maybe. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Rice? Hell fucking yes! Initech Apr 2014 #122

Rumsfeld and Cheney belong in jail. oldandhappy Apr 2014 #126

I just got through reading ''Kill Anything That Moves" by Nick Turse and> YOHABLO Apr 2014 #127

no; if done it should be at the international level eShirl Apr 2014 #134