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61. Thanks for the link Octafish.... I knew very little about it...

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:57 PM

Apr 2014

Nicky Hager's book 'Secret Power: New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network' (at your link) is $115.00 (new) on Amazon.com..

but can be downloaded for free as an e-book from Nicky Hager's website.

I cannot thank you enough... however, as I read the extract from the link you posted... I find myself actually feeling shaky. It's alarming.

Nicky Hager says ECHELON "is designed primarily for non-military targets: governments, organizations, businesses and individuals in virtually every country."

Do we suspect that business information was sent from Booz Allen directly to the Carlyle Group? and that Edward Snowden, high school drop-out, showed how leaky the security was at the Booz Allen facility?

Thanks again for the link..

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I'm getting really sick of the whole "Comrade Eddie" BS from some [View all] unreadierLizard Apr 2014 OP

Comrade Eddie? I like it, that's a good one. tritsofme Apr 2014 #1

? unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #2

Surveillance has it's merits; it was used to quickly apprehend the boston marathon bombers JJChambers Apr 2014 #13

Apprehended after they murdered. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #19

Yes, after. But before they could bomb again. JJChambers Apr 2014 #23

You seems confused. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #27

Smooth JJChambers Apr 2014 #35

Uh, yeah Aerows Apr 2014 #51

Well said. We have whistleblower laws for a reason. DirkGently Apr 2014 #82

The reasons we have whistleblower laws may be cosmetic these days. merrily Apr 2014 #124

One of this administration's greatest shames. DirkGently Apr 2014 #127

Most secretive administration ever, after we were promised the merrily Apr 2014 #133

Sounds incredibly untruthful. do you have any credible sources for your claims? nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #326

Yes. merrily Apr 2014 #362

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #184

and it's a horrible precedent to set for when another ALEC-republican takes office nashville_brook Apr 2014 #194

First they came for Snowden, and I said, "Yay, kill the Commie!" DirkGently Apr 2014 #202

+++++ Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #222

More than once; and the Koch - funded CATO Institute paid him a stipend for over a year to MADem Apr 2014 #264

Well then I guess the NSA is fine, & no one's to blame! DirkGently Apr 2014 #280

Well, I don't think the NSA is "fine" but I don't think that makes Glenn Greenwald a font of MADem Apr 2014 #281

Feel free to debunk the information. Smearing journalists DirkGently Apr 2014 #282

I don't have to "debunk" a thing--actions speak loudly, and when they're accompanied MADem Apr 2014 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Apr 2014 #331

He could be a spy for the US. Why else would the US Government force him into Russia sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #338

He could be. Anything is possible; I rule out NOTHING. MADem Apr 2014 #339

Faux agrees with you on Greenwald. They are certain, and always have been, that sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #342

Well, Faux likes the CATO institute, and so does Greenwald--so they have a few things in common, now MADem Apr 2014 #344

The Cato Talking Point! There it is, again! Lol! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #356

It's not a talking point--it's a very inconvenient truth. nt MADem Apr 2014 #357

Oh, it's a talking point. Already established, quite some time ago. Kos talked to the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #358

Kos is an ex-Republican with a corporate POV. He was hoping to parlay his "net cred" MADem Apr 2014 #360

The reason I love when people drag this Cato Talking point up is that I KNOW the facts about it. And sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #363

Naaah...you don't "love" it at all. Otherwise you wouldn't keep insisting how much you love MADem Apr 2014 #369

Kudos to Greenwald and all the other Democrats who used Cato to slam Bush's policies. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #370

Oh, tell me AGAIN how much you "love it," why don't you? MADem Apr 2014 #371

Okay, I do love it. Massive spying on the American by the NSA is a crime against the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #372

Well, you haven't "debunked" it to my satisfaction--not even close. MADem Apr 2014 #374

Ron Wyden appearing at the Libertarian CATO Institute! Ezra Klein! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #375

So? You're not making the point you seem to hope you're making. MADem Apr 2014 #380

Thanks. Suggested response to all attempted, yet irrelevant smears: merrily Apr 2014 #367

. Dragonfli Apr 2014 #266

Hear, hear. Not only our privacy, but our Constitutional rights. merrily Apr 2014 #119

+1 n/t NealK Apr 2014 #295

You're faulting someone for using the dictionary definition of a word, instead of merrily Apr 2014 #117

The goal of surveillance should be prevention. Obviously, it is not being used that way. merrily Apr 2014 #114

Your own quote says "prevent OR DETECT A CRIME." MADem Apr 2014 #259

You've touched upon the relevant issue. Maedhros Apr 2014 #98

Calling it surveillance dignifies it and makes it seem like something that has merrily Apr 2014 #129

How many crimes were prevented by surveillance in Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Germany? nxylas Apr 2014 #317

But before they got to NYC to do it again...you do realize they were on their way to MADem Apr 2014 #225

Just because one horse got out of the barn because the door was open Aerows Apr 2014 #240

That is a completely false comparison. DirkGently Apr 2014 #40

Exactly. deurbano Apr 2014 #47

And yet we ignored specific warnings from Russia... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #55

I don't think that anyone Aerows Apr 2014 #113

Apples and Oranges. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #75

This kind of thinking represents the WORST of the new DU Trajan Apr 2014 #85

Thank you. JJChambers Apr 2014 #94

"Your kind of fascism is just as repugnant as any other kind " bvar22 Apr 2014 #141

The people who wrote the Constitution thought they had regulated how we use merrily Apr 2014 #106

For the people who wrote the Constitution surveillance treestar Apr 2014 #169

So? They protected US from being spied on for no specific reason. merrily Apr 2014 #181

I don't think they even thought about that treestar Apr 2014 #216

I am not sure what you you mean. What is it that you don't think they even thought about? merrily Apr 2014 #220

Remember the underwear bomber? Aerows Apr 2014 #235

+ a bunch Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #365

Says the pro police DUer nt Logical Apr 2014 #298

Whatever happened in Boston Boreal Apr 2014 #316

And it was a civilian who found and reported the bomber Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #366

The United States of Police. . .I like the sound of that too. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #321

That tragedy highlighted the fact that the destruction of our Constitutional rights based on the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #337

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #382

We are all against that crap. Every law put in place 11 days after 9/11 should be abolished. Sunlei Apr 2014 #54

I think your timeline and causality are seriously bonkered erronis Apr 2014 #70

I understand where you are coming from, but whistle blowers have been forced into breaking laws. Dragonfli Apr 2014 #271

Drake revealed what Snowden did. Got a misdemeanor conviction Recursion Apr 2014 #308

Recommend! Good to know it is up on Netflix... KoKo Apr 2014 #340

Comrade? dead_head Apr 2014 #45

Not dumb at all. zeemike Apr 2014 #105

a warm welcome to DU grasswire Apr 2014 #234

Welcome to DU Aerows Apr 2014 #237

Excellent. And welcome! n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #292

Looks more foolish to who? nikto Apr 2014 #294

It makes it easy to tell whose opinions Union Scribe Apr 2014 #3

I should have read through the responses before adding my own, Dragonfli Apr 2014 #44

+1 nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #144

Exactly.. sendero Apr 2014 #211

Embrace the meaning of "Comrade" Autumn Apr 2014 #4

The delicious irony of it is that it attempts to smear Snowden with a Cold War Era slur, Maedhros Apr 2014 #101

I love it. I see that and I just laugh. Autumn Apr 2014 #115

It's. Just. So. Fucking. Stupid. Maedhros Apr 2014 #121

To put it bluntly, the one who coined Comrade Eddie isn't the smartest tool in the shed. Autumn Apr 2014 #132

But competes desperately to Aerows Apr 2014 #245

Some of the posts in all of these threads Aerows Apr 2014 #244

My country right or wrong, eh pscot Apr 2014 #5

That's the attitude of some. unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #7

If Snowden had revealed all that information while Bush was President, LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #22

But how stupid is it to make the NSA scandal about "Obama?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #42

Anyone who offers Aerows Apr 2014 #71

sound and fury, signifying nothing grasswire Apr 2014 #236

I wouldn't feel so bad if it was "My country right or wrong". A Simple Game Apr 2014 #41

There's that pscot Apr 2014 #43

You could have stopped at Aerows Apr 2014 #78

For Example: bvar22 Apr 2014 #148

Damn ...you really get it. L0oniX Apr 2014 #260

I love how that post has 20 rec's. Marr Apr 2014 #385

The same 20 people.... bvar22 Apr 2014 #386

Hey, you guys meet me at my locker after Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #388

They admitted that Obama was wrong? merrily Apr 2014 #203

No, and I guess that was a foolish thing for me to state. Aerows Apr 2014 #345

Okay. merrily Apr 2014 #200

just want to say that I appreciate your contributions here. grasswire Apr 2014 #238

Wow, thank you! merrily Apr 2014 #364

Very apropos. DirkGently Apr 2014 #291

Same as saying "My mother ...drunk or sober". L0oniX Apr 2014 #258

Aw, c'mon, give 'em a break, They're just kids. Zorra Apr 2014 #6

Comrade Eddie the darling of the Tea Party! B Calm Apr 2014 #8

It doesn't matter if he was a neo-Nazi, FFS. unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #10

I consider Eddy more my "comrade" than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #9

.... 840high Apr 2014 #232

Well stated, unreadierLizard. Octafish Apr 2014 #11

I am not outraged that he revealed spying on Americans. I am very angry pnwmom Apr 2014 #18

Yeah, like no one ever heard of ECHELON. Octafish Apr 2014 #24

So what? This doesn't excuse what Snowden did. n't pnwmom Apr 2014 #32

Snowden blew the whistle on Booz Allen Hamilton and its treasons on behalf of NSA. Octafish Apr 2014 #103

Apparently that's only a good thing when it's 100% politically convenient. DirkGently Apr 2014 #288

Thanks for the link Octafish.... I knew very little about it... nenagh Apr 2014 #61

Yes - you have it pegged. erronis Apr 2014 #86

warm welcome to DU grasswire Apr 2014 #241

All move toward the goal of restoring Justice, incessantly. Octafish Apr 2014 #325

If Carlyle owned the Means, odds are they would want to know about the Take. Octafish Apr 2014 #102

Thank you Octafish again for all the reading material... nenagh Apr 2014 #265

I will bet that you knew we were spying on foreign countries even before Snowden told you. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #48

Of course they knew. Not only has it been Spy vs. Spy for like forever, but, on the other merrily Apr 2014 #206

We didn't know the specifics. Knowing in an abstract way is very different pnwmom Apr 2014 #208

Maybe we didn't "know the specifics", but I bet China and Russia already knew them. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #323

because up to that point, other countries had no idea that we were spying on them frylock Apr 2014 #138

It's the equivalent of Aerows Apr 2014 #351

+1 - There are very few Frank Church's left in our government now erronis Apr 2014 #76

What DU people keep overlooking is that the US would stop him once he's outside Russian airspace. ancianita Apr 2014 #12

People believe if you make him look bad you gain something The Straight Story Apr 2014 #14

It's not as though anyone can be certain the whole trip to Hong Kong wasn't a charade pnwmom Apr 2014 #15

And the antics with the Bolivian president's plane and the physical and very real attempts JDPriestly Apr 2014 #50

Obviously you have not seen the "map" of the Bolivian thing. DirkGently Apr 2014 #284

cool CT bro! Dragonfli Apr 2014 #52

get fucking real.. frylock Apr 2014 #139

Yeah, and if there were any connection, Snowden would be on TV with Putin, pnwmom Apr 2014 #207

this^ stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #314

The Swarm will not tolerate anyone that threatens the legacy... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #16

You nailed it. Jakes Progress Apr 2014 #81

For Example: bvar22 Apr 2014 #153

Nice clip art. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #313

Not true treestar Apr 2014 #174

The sad part is... malokvale77 Apr 2014 #269

+1. Sad indeed. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #277

True. Snowden, who was a two-time donor to the Ron Paul campaign, and who despises the New Deal, Tanuki Apr 2014 #17

LOL Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #30

Ron Paul supporter B Calm Apr 2014 #36

So Snowden was a dumb fuck reactionary? So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #68

and Hillary Rodham was a Goldwater girl frylock Apr 2014 #142

^^you'd think folks would be all over that, if ideological purity meant that much to them. nashville_brook Apr 2014 #198

Maybe it's because HRC was 17 at the time, and quickly changed her thinking as soon as she Tanuki Apr 2014 #221

The proper response to all of that is: so what? Maedhros Apr 2014 #381

Read the entire article. Thanks for bringing it here. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #212

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #268

Snowden was also a CIA agent. Who revealed nothing about the CIA Recursion Apr 2014 #309

So, can I still call him Moscow Eddie, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #20

Feel free to sound as childish and stupid as you like. Perhaps "poopy head" Dragonfli Apr 2014 #275

His name is Eddie and he fled to Moscow Progressive dog Apr 2014 #322

I would respond with an obvious answer but we have already established you don't like that Dragonfli Apr 2014 #347

I thought we were discussing Moscow Eddie Progressive dog Apr 2014 #379

He's also right-handed, yet I see no one referring to him that particular and wholly accurate descri LanternWaste Apr 2014 #377

Lots of people are right handed, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #378

Snowden had the misfortune of doing his duty under a Democratic administration seveneyes Apr 2014 #21

Agreed. That shit is indicative of a defect of character. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #25

Yeah, they're just smarting from that Pulitzer. DirkGently Apr 2014 #26

"if Snowden had leaked these documents with, say, President John McCain or Mitt Romney..." Chan790 Apr 2014 #28

The surveillance on your e-mails is in my view illegal. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #56

Thank you! I don't see how anyone could see this any other way. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #329

Did Daniel Ellsberg belong in prison? Maedhros Apr 2014 #108

I believe that Snowden knew the risk of imprisonment and did what he did anyway. merrily Apr 2014 #191

that's a shame arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

Fell on your face with that one..... bvar22 Apr 2014 #162

It's an old Right Wing, McCarthyite attempt to change the subject from the crimes committed by sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #31

Such a wasted opportunity for agreement. DirkGently Apr 2014 #57

People like Snowden make this country look good. It tells the world that the Corporate Media doesn't sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #226

by definition, he is a traitor. Morally, he is a traitor. pasto76 Apr 2014 #33

Morally how? We all benefit from the revelations. DirkGently Apr 2014 #46

"Traitor, Mr. Dickerson? To what? The British Crown? Or the British half-crown?" Demeter Apr 2014 #69

Revealing to the public the abuses of its goverment makes one a traitor? Maedhros Apr 2014 #110

+++ Excellent. And exactly the point. DirkGently Apr 2014 #227

The real traitors are the ones that are just fine with the NSA. L0oniX Apr 2014 #256

Can you be ProSense Apr 2014 #34

There is a reason China made him leave. randome Apr 2014 #37

Sure.....keep thinking that. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #38

Whereas I will hear out rational arguments against Snowdens whistle blowin regarding Constitutional Dragonfli Apr 2014 #39

If Comrade Eddie revealed the NSA spying under Bush Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #49

if the spying he revealed was against china, yes he would be a traitor under Bush. just as he is now arely staircase Apr 2014 #73

Those that disparage Snowden are the same people that disparage all rhett o rick Apr 2014 #53

Aren't WE supposed to be the ones who QUESTION authority? DirkGently Apr 2014 #59

I think that a citizen, esp a Democrat, should be skeptical of authority. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #74

More lame than upsetting, because it isn't working. DirkGently Apr 2014 #80

That's a broad brush you got there, Mr. Putin Apologist. emulatorloo Apr 2014 #95

I will go thru it slower. Those that spew hatred for Snowden do so because rhett o rick Apr 2014 #215

I can think eddie is a libertarian ass and not like the NSA. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #319

I heard that General Clapper was a libertarian. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #352

Same people that don't realize that we are not living under a democracy anymore. L0oniX Apr 2014 #199

My strong suspicion also.. sendero Apr 2014 #217

IMHO they live in a state of denial and hate it when someone tries to look behind the rhett o rick Apr 2014 #218

nah - like a certain sub-sect that you find on the fringe of all ideological movements - they are Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #306

I don't care for Snowden. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #251

I dont care if people dont like Snowden. What bothers me are those that disparage rhett o rick Apr 2014 #255

^An excellent nutshell for the whole thing. I hope everyone reads it. DirkGently Apr 2014 #333

That should be an OP. Plez consider it. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #349

Recommend! KoKo Apr 2014 #353

stop the distractive obsession with vilifying Snowden. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #384

"Stop the distractive obsession with vilifying Snowden." I so agree. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #387

I call bullshit on Snowden not choosing to go to Russia MohRokTah Apr 2014 #58

Not many places are safe from U.S. influence. DirkGently Apr 2014 #62

So what you're saying is he's a cowardly criminal afraid to face the music for his crimes. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #63

Ayn Rand? Where is the motive for personal gain? DirkGently Apr 2014 #77

Motive? FAME! eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #83

Uh huh. Big Dancing with the Stars money coming for Snowden, amirite? DirkGently Apr 2014 #88

It satisfies the ego, and Eddie Galt has proved one thing. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #89

Sooo ... the NSA was right all along? DirkGently Apr 2014 #97

Nice misdirect and straw man. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #111

Sooo ... Snowden is NOT about the NSA? DirkGently Apr 2014 #116

I don't go beyond Eddie Galt being a criminal who engaged in espionage. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #130

who engaged in espionage now? frylock Apr 2014 #146

I'm done talking about this MohRokTah Apr 2014 #147

A criminal like Ellsberg & Drake, you mean. DirkGently Apr 2014 #214

now, that was a head-scratching exchange! grasswire Apr 2014 #248

Did Ellsberg let a foreign country know how the us spied on them? Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #257

Bwahahahahah ...yea right. The NSA and CIA are the kings of espionage... L0oniX Apr 2014 #324

You don't understand the terms you are throwing around do you? Dragonfli Apr 2014 #276

I'm embarrased for the cult of Eddie Galt. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #285

Um Okay, I guess you decided not to take my advice as evidenced by your reply Dragonfli Apr 2014 #286

Please, stop attempting to bait me. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #289

when it comes to baiting SwampG8r Apr 2014 #296

And the baiting continues. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #297

And the immature Eddie Galt references continue HangOnKids Apr 2014 #301

all i can say is SwampG8r Apr 2014 #304

Just commented in a different OP... 2banon Apr 2014 #60

BTW, "Comrade Eddie" is a bullshit moniker. HE's Eddie Galt MohRokTah Apr 2014 #64

Because Russia is so libertarian? DirkGently Apr 2014 #91

This absurd question demonstrates you have never looked into Eddie Galt's past. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #151

Actually, it was a good question. Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #195

That's two questions you've refused to answer when you had no answer. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #205

That's twice you've ignored facts surrounding Effie Galt and made some sort of accusation MohRokTah Apr 2014 #231

Not a "comrade", but still has to come back to the US to stand trial. Marshall III Apr 2014 #65

And I'm sick of Edward Snowden, global hero...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #66

a few twists of fate and they'd be calling him "Hong Kong Tong Eddie" or "altiplano-skipping, MisterP Apr 2014 #67

"Ignore" is your friend Demeter Apr 2014 #72

Snowden commited an act of TREASON penndragon69 Apr 2014 #79

What now? Who did we "firing squad" for "treason" in 1994? DirkGently Apr 2014 #87

Snowden didn't committ treason. arely staircase Apr 2014 #92

Interesting. Has the DOJ charged him with "espionage?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #100

yes the charge is espionage, not treason arely staircase Apr 2014 #107

What do you know that DOJ doesn't? DirkGently Apr 2014 #112

I think a criminal complaint charging him with violating the Espionage Act counts arely staircase Apr 2014 #120

Yes, we know they charged him under the "Espionage Act." DirkGently Apr 2014 #122

I said he gave them to China - that was widely reported. arely staircase Apr 2014 #125

No it wasn't. There was one article, oft-repeated DirkGently Apr 2014 #137

yes it was. use the googles arely staircase Apr 2014 #170

I remember. All from the same Chinese article. DirkGently Apr 2014 #173

yes it was a chinese paper he gave an interveiw to and revealed what PLA systems the US was hacking arely staircase Apr 2014 #175

Please inform yourself regarding the legal definition of TREASON Maedhros Apr 2014 #118

As defined by the US Constitution, you are correct. Snowden committed treason: ucrdem Apr 2014 #159

I disagree. I think my snowden sucks credentials are pretty solid around here but arely staircase Apr 2014 #229

Yeah. No. That's not what any of that means. DirkGently Apr 2014 #230

so… a documentary film maker and indie blogger apparently made the highest bid? nashville_brook Apr 2014 #192

I know right? I happen to love the NSA going through my shit! Phlem Apr 2014 #332

Please Come Home , Comrade Snowden! /nt Cryptoad Apr 2014 #84

The NSA apologists are so stupid they don't know Russia isn't communist. DesMoinesDem Apr 2014 #90

Some of them apparently think it's Libertarian? DirkGently Apr 2014 #93

As the DUer who coined the phrase "Comrade Eddie," no. msanthrope Apr 2014 #96

I would copyright that shit ASAP. It's going places. DirkGently Apr 2014 #99

Are you ProSense Apr 2014 #104

Are you saying he committed "Espionage?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #109

The comment was ProSense Apr 2014 #126

The value of the NSA leaks is unquestionable. The attempts DirkGently Apr 2014 #131

LOL! ProSense Apr 2014 #136

Uh huh. "A crime." Not the crime of spying for a foreign power. DirkGently Apr 2014 #140

"A crime" is different from a "crime"? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #145

Yes, ProSense, there are different crimes. It's a whole thing. DirkGently Apr 2014 #156

Are they all "crimes"? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #178

There are big, thick books telling about the different kinds. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #190

He didn't 'leak' anything. randome Apr 2014 #150

Of course it was a leak. And you don't actually know that, at all. DirkGently Apr 2014 #152

But that's the definition of 'espionage'. randome Apr 2014 #158

No. Espionage is helping the enemy. Or it used to be. DirkGently Apr 2014 #163

We will probably never know what information has been 'leaked' to foreign countries. randome Apr 2014 #250

"But one thing we do know is that Snowden, by giving everything he had to others, put many national grasswire Apr 2014 #253

You're right, I personally don't know. randome Apr 2014 #273

AFAIK, the only source for the claim that... grasswire Apr 2014 #278

That's pretty much the point. Wash. state Desk Jet Apr 2014 #274

all conjecture on your part grasswire Apr 2014 #335

You seem to be in full agreement with Snowden when he mirrored bin laden's words, Wash. state Desk Jet Apr 2014 #359

Look forward, Prosense, look forward. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #243

I should add Bernie Sanders ProSense Apr 2014 #252

Indeed..if one uses binary thinking, it is difficult to place yourself within the narrative. msanthrope Apr 2014 #134

Isn't that cognitively dissonant? DirkGently Apr 2014 #149

Excellent Rebuttal. bvar22 Apr 2014 #154

No...Comrade Eddie leaked nothing that had not been apparent to anyone who was paying msanthrope Apr 2014 #165

Bingo. ucrdem Apr 2014 #166

When Section 215 is reauthorized because we had a depressed voter turnout, and msanthrope Apr 2014 #172

good point - they accuse of making it about Comrade Eddie but treestar Apr 2014 #176

Given the press conferences, the Ted appearances, and the film festival appearances... msanthrope Apr 2014 #355

Right. A Pulitzer. For old news everyone knew already. DirkGently Apr 2014 #177

Nether Snowden nor Greenwald won Pulitzer prizes. ucrdem Apr 2014 #182

You do understand they reported ON the leaked information? DirkGently Apr 2014 #187

Yes, the point is that neither won Pulitzer prizes. ucrdem Apr 2014 #189

Yes, Snowden's leaks became Pulitzer Prizewinning journalism. DirkGently Apr 2014 #193

Judith Miller got a Pulitzer, too. Look how that turned out. msanthrope Apr 2014 #204

You're equating real NSA wrongdoing with LIES about Iraq? DirkGently Apr 2014 #209

No....I'm pointing out that the narrative is not always what it seems. You are avoiding msanthrope Apr 2014 #261

Snowden was a CIA agent who has advanced the CIA's interests greatly Recursion Apr 2014 #310

Exactlly. Dirty work is afoot. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #361

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #315

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #123

Naw, some people just circle the wagons and jerk their knees Warpy Apr 2014 #128

Talk about circling the wagons! randome Apr 2014 #135

just b/c you don't see it as a big deal, doesn't mean it's not a big deal. nashville_brook Apr 2014 #186

They should. Warpy Apr 2014 #201

ITS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN! JaneyVee Apr 2014 #143

Correct. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #155

Apparently it is though. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #157

Snowden's the point for people with no argument re: the NSA scandal. DirkGently Apr 2014 #168

He's not stuck there. The US said that they would permit him to fly back Renew Deal Apr 2014 #160

That bit of obsurdity all you've got? 99Forever Apr 2014 #179

Poor Edward, for he did not know what he was doing, he's just an activist, Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #161

you seem to be suggesting that when a Democratic Administration is doing something that we would be Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #164

It's like we want US to do what we say THEY should do. DirkGently Apr 2014 #171

Why is that so bad? treestar Apr 2014 #167

Just because it's such a transparent rearguard attack on the NSA scandal? DirkGently Apr 2014 #183

Well it hasn't changed most people's lives treestar Apr 2014 #219

No, it was not "trying to get at Obama." That is your mistake. DirkGently Apr 2014 #224

eddie enid602 Apr 2014 #180

Right. His motives count more than NSA lawbreaking. DirkGently Apr 2014 #210

Maybe the brobdingnagian hypocrisy of the NSA's quasi-Stasi behavior being covered up Maedhros Apr 2014 #272

Exactly why they do it, in order to be irritating.. Fumesucker Apr 2014 #185

Poor form, though. They won. NSA lost. Good for everyone. DirkGently Apr 2014 #197

they're taking a page from Limbaugh. it's a form of bullying, nashville_brook Apr 2014 #188

Inmate Eddie would be better. gulliver Apr 2014 #196

You really don't know what Eddie--Comrade or not--"chose" to do. Neither do I. MADem Apr 2014 #213

Just wait until he pisses off Putin... Historic NY Apr 2014 #223

+1000 Peacetrain Apr 2014 #228

There were also the successful attempts to prevent him flying to Latin America. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #233

The hero worship is becoming Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #239

Seriously. Obama is just a President. Imperfect like everyone. DirkGently Apr 2014 #290

Who mentioned Obama? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #293

Snowden's no hero.. Cha Apr 2014 #242

Defending a poor war of choice obxhead Apr 2014 #247

I disagree.. I think he's a lying libertarian asshole who has made this too much about himself.. Cha Apr 2014 #249

So, he paints just like George Bush flamingdem Apr 2014 #262

the stench of libertarian is all over eddie. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #318

Funny how it works indeed. obxhead Apr 2014 #246

Some of the apologists may be Administration sock puppets paid to influence public opinion, you know blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #254

I always thought it was odd that there were (1) fancy posters for a pro-Snowden demo in Hong Kong flamingdem Apr 2014 #263

To what "fancy posters" are you referring? Maedhros Apr 2014 #383

may be = certainly are. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #307

Must be lots of NSA lurkers visiting DU these days. wolfie001 Apr 2014 #267

Such folks have (a) a conservative agenda, and (b) no credibility... NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #270

"Comrade Eddie" doesn't work...Russia isn't the USSR anymore. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #279

I doubt that facts will change the mind of these people. NealK Apr 2014 #299

Another Kick !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #287

That's very childish IMHO. NealK Apr 2014 #300

meh. Name-calling is all they have when their argument is weak. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #302

My first though too AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #305

Reality bites, don't it? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #303

They so piously take offense to "comrade eddie" but freely dish out "authoritarian"/ "nsa Cha Apr 2014 #311

I wish only knew what Danziger thought of this latest stunt, but Charlie Pierce... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #312

I TOO AM SICK OF THIS COMRADE EDDIE BS, SNOWDEN IS A TRUE PATRIOT drynberg Apr 2014 #320

Either way, the USG is massively violating our constitutional rights, and with our money, merrily Apr 2014 #368

I haven't called him "Comrade Eddie", but I still don't like him... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2014 #327

But but but Enthusiast Apr 2014 #328

Yes, thank you for this! Phlem Apr 2014 #330

Missing the fourth amendment point ellie50 Apr 2014 #334

How often does this need to be explained? randome Apr 2014 #336

Except of course NSA does violate the Constitution. DirkGently Apr 2014 #341

The first link is a ruling by the FISC. One of the very courts some here don't see as legitimate. randome Apr 2014 #343

"Procedures" are exactly where the abuse occurs. DirkGently Apr 2014 #346

His choice was Iceland. But he couldn't go there mainer Apr 2014 #348

Read this Vanity Fair article first. Then try to call him comrade Eddie. mainer Apr 2014 #350

For those that state he would be called "Traitor" Aerows Apr 2014 #354

I don't get how calling him Comrade Eddie could bother anyone. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #373

K & R malaise Apr 2014 #376