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DirkGently

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346. "Procedures" are exactly where the abuse occurs.

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:57 PM

Apr 2014

We have one problem with the Patriot Act which allowed a lot of overreach.

We have a separate problem with NSA designing its own procedures as to how to stay within even the over broad provisions of the new laws.

You heard Clapper, lying his ass off to Congress. The whole "not wittingly" thing? The courts don't sign off on every procedure NSA puts in place to supposedly stay within its mandate.

They're not even trying. NSA adopted a "grab everything" policy, because it could, because there was no oversight, and just as it and its predecessors have always done, it prefers to have everyone's private information, all the time, to use as it sees fit.

That's not okay.

They didn't hang a toe over the line, or "not wittingly" grab things they weren't supposed to. They rationalized and exploited and got caught, thanks to a lot of hard work by a lot of people, including the Guardian and its Snowden-leaked materials, which the ACLU has explicitly thanked for aiding in the fight to claw some semblance of reason back from the sprawling surveillance state.

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I'm getting really sick of the whole "Comrade Eddie" BS from some [View all] unreadierLizard Apr 2014 OP

Comrade Eddie? I like it, that's a good one. tritsofme Apr 2014 #1

? unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #2

Surveillance has it's merits; it was used to quickly apprehend the boston marathon bombers JJChambers Apr 2014 #13

Apprehended after they murdered. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #19

Yes, after. But before they could bomb again. JJChambers Apr 2014 #23

You seems confused. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #27

Smooth JJChambers Apr 2014 #35

Uh, yeah Aerows Apr 2014 #51

Well said. We have whistleblower laws for a reason. DirkGently Apr 2014 #82

The reasons we have whistleblower laws may be cosmetic these days. merrily Apr 2014 #124

One of this administration's greatest shames. DirkGently Apr 2014 #127

Most secretive administration ever, after we were promised the merrily Apr 2014 #133

Sounds incredibly untruthful. do you have any credible sources for your claims? nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #326

Yes. merrily Apr 2014 #362

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #184

and it's a horrible precedent to set for when another ALEC-republican takes office nashville_brook Apr 2014 #194

First they came for Snowden, and I said, "Yay, kill the Commie!" DirkGently Apr 2014 #202

+++++ Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #222

More than once; and the Koch - funded CATO Institute paid him a stipend for over a year to MADem Apr 2014 #264

Well then I guess the NSA is fine, & no one's to blame! DirkGently Apr 2014 #280

Well, I don't think the NSA is "fine" but I don't think that makes Glenn Greenwald a font of MADem Apr 2014 #281

Feel free to debunk the information. Smearing journalists DirkGently Apr 2014 #282

I don't have to "debunk" a thing--actions speak loudly, and when they're accompanied MADem Apr 2014 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Apr 2014 #331

He could be a spy for the US. Why else would the US Government force him into Russia sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #338

He could be. Anything is possible; I rule out NOTHING. MADem Apr 2014 #339

Faux agrees with you on Greenwald. They are certain, and always have been, that sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #342

Well, Faux likes the CATO institute, and so does Greenwald--so they have a few things in common, now MADem Apr 2014 #344

The Cato Talking Point! There it is, again! Lol! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #356

It's not a talking point--it's a very inconvenient truth. nt MADem Apr 2014 #357

Oh, it's a talking point. Already established, quite some time ago. Kos talked to the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #358

Kos is an ex-Republican with a corporate POV. He was hoping to parlay his "net cred" MADem Apr 2014 #360

The reason I love when people drag this Cato Talking point up is that I KNOW the facts about it. And sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #363

Naaah...you don't "love" it at all. Otherwise you wouldn't keep insisting how much you love MADem Apr 2014 #369

Kudos to Greenwald and all the other Democrats who used Cato to slam Bush's policies. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #370

Oh, tell me AGAIN how much you "love it," why don't you? MADem Apr 2014 #371

Okay, I do love it. Massive spying on the American by the NSA is a crime against the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #372

Well, you haven't "debunked" it to my satisfaction--not even close. MADem Apr 2014 #374

Ron Wyden appearing at the Libertarian CATO Institute! Ezra Klein! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #375

So? You're not making the point you seem to hope you're making. MADem Apr 2014 #380

Thanks. Suggested response to all attempted, yet irrelevant smears: merrily Apr 2014 #367

. Dragonfli Apr 2014 #266

Hear, hear. Not only our privacy, but our Constitutional rights. merrily Apr 2014 #119

+1 n/t NealK Apr 2014 #295

You're faulting someone for using the dictionary definition of a word, instead of merrily Apr 2014 #117

The goal of surveillance should be prevention. Obviously, it is not being used that way. merrily Apr 2014 #114

Your own quote says "prevent OR DETECT A CRIME." MADem Apr 2014 #259

You've touched upon the relevant issue. Maedhros Apr 2014 #98

Calling it surveillance dignifies it and makes it seem like something that has merrily Apr 2014 #129

How many crimes were prevented by surveillance in Stalin's USSR or Hitler's Germany? nxylas Apr 2014 #317

But before they got to NYC to do it again...you do realize they were on their way to MADem Apr 2014 #225

Just because one horse got out of the barn because the door was open Aerows Apr 2014 #240

That is a completely false comparison. DirkGently Apr 2014 #40

Exactly. deurbano Apr 2014 #47

And yet we ignored specific warnings from Russia... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #55

I don't think that anyone Aerows Apr 2014 #113

Apples and Oranges. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #75

This kind of thinking represents the WORST of the new DU Trajan Apr 2014 #85

Thank you. JJChambers Apr 2014 #94

"Your kind of fascism is just as repugnant as any other kind " bvar22 Apr 2014 #141

The people who wrote the Constitution thought they had regulated how we use merrily Apr 2014 #106

For the people who wrote the Constitution surveillance treestar Apr 2014 #169

So? They protected US from being spied on for no specific reason. merrily Apr 2014 #181

I don't think they even thought about that treestar Apr 2014 #216

I am not sure what you you mean. What is it that you don't think they even thought about? merrily Apr 2014 #220

Remember the underwear bomber? Aerows Apr 2014 #235

+ a bunch Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #365

Says the pro police DUer nt Logical Apr 2014 #298

Whatever happened in Boston Boreal Apr 2014 #316

And it was a civilian who found and reported the bomber Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #366

The United States of Police. . .I like the sound of that too. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #321

That tragedy highlighted the fact that the destruction of our Constitutional rights based on the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #337

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #382

We are all against that crap. Every law put in place 11 days after 9/11 should be abolished. Sunlei Apr 2014 #54

I think your timeline and causality are seriously bonkered erronis Apr 2014 #70

I understand where you are coming from, but whistle blowers have been forced into breaking laws. Dragonfli Apr 2014 #271

Drake revealed what Snowden did. Got a misdemeanor conviction Recursion Apr 2014 #308

Recommend! Good to know it is up on Netflix... KoKo Apr 2014 #340

Comrade? dead_head Apr 2014 #45

Not dumb at all. zeemike Apr 2014 #105

a warm welcome to DU grasswire Apr 2014 #234

Welcome to DU Aerows Apr 2014 #237

Excellent. And welcome! n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #292

Looks more foolish to who? nikto Apr 2014 #294

It makes it easy to tell whose opinions Union Scribe Apr 2014 #3

I should have read through the responses before adding my own, Dragonfli Apr 2014 #44

+1 nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #144

Exactly.. sendero Apr 2014 #211

Embrace the meaning of "Comrade" Autumn Apr 2014 #4

The delicious irony of it is that it attempts to smear Snowden with a Cold War Era slur, Maedhros Apr 2014 #101

I love it. I see that and I just laugh. Autumn Apr 2014 #115

It's. Just. So. Fucking. Stupid. Maedhros Apr 2014 #121

To put it bluntly, the one who coined Comrade Eddie isn't the smartest tool in the shed. Autumn Apr 2014 #132

But competes desperately to Aerows Apr 2014 #245

Some of the posts in all of these threads Aerows Apr 2014 #244

My country right or wrong, eh pscot Apr 2014 #5

That's the attitude of some. unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #7

If Snowden had revealed all that information while Bush was President, LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #22

But how stupid is it to make the NSA scandal about "Obama?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #42

Anyone who offers Aerows Apr 2014 #71

sound and fury, signifying nothing grasswire Apr 2014 #236

I wouldn't feel so bad if it was "My country right or wrong". A Simple Game Apr 2014 #41

There's that pscot Apr 2014 #43

You could have stopped at Aerows Apr 2014 #78

For Example: bvar22 Apr 2014 #148

Damn ...you really get it. L0oniX Apr 2014 #260

I love how that post has 20 rec's. Marr Apr 2014 #385

The same 20 people.... bvar22 Apr 2014 #386

Hey, you guys meet me at my locker after Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #388

They admitted that Obama was wrong? merrily Apr 2014 #203

No, and I guess that was a foolish thing for me to state. Aerows Apr 2014 #345

Okay. merrily Apr 2014 #200

just want to say that I appreciate your contributions here. grasswire Apr 2014 #238

Wow, thank you! merrily Apr 2014 #364

Very apropos. DirkGently Apr 2014 #291

Same as saying "My mother ...drunk or sober". L0oniX Apr 2014 #258

Aw, c'mon, give 'em a break, They're just kids. Zorra Apr 2014 #6

Comrade Eddie the darling of the Tea Party! B Calm Apr 2014 #8

It doesn't matter if he was a neo-Nazi, FFS. unreadierLizard Apr 2014 #10

I consider Eddy more my "comrade" than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #9

.... 840high Apr 2014 #232

Well stated, unreadierLizard. Octafish Apr 2014 #11

I am not outraged that he revealed spying on Americans. I am very angry pnwmom Apr 2014 #18

Yeah, like no one ever heard of ECHELON. Octafish Apr 2014 #24

So what? This doesn't excuse what Snowden did. n't pnwmom Apr 2014 #32

Snowden blew the whistle on Booz Allen Hamilton and its treasons on behalf of NSA. Octafish Apr 2014 #103

Apparently that's only a good thing when it's 100% politically convenient. DirkGently Apr 2014 #288

Thanks for the link Octafish.... I knew very little about it... nenagh Apr 2014 #61

Yes - you have it pegged. erronis Apr 2014 #86

warm welcome to DU grasswire Apr 2014 #241

All move toward the goal of restoring Justice, incessantly. Octafish Apr 2014 #325

If Carlyle owned the Means, odds are they would want to know about the Take. Octafish Apr 2014 #102

Thank you Octafish again for all the reading material... nenagh Apr 2014 #265

I will bet that you knew we were spying on foreign countries even before Snowden told you. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #48

Of course they knew. Not only has it been Spy vs. Spy for like forever, but, on the other merrily Apr 2014 #206

We didn't know the specifics. Knowing in an abstract way is very different pnwmom Apr 2014 #208

Maybe we didn't "know the specifics", but I bet China and Russia already knew them. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #323

because up to that point, other countries had no idea that we were spying on them frylock Apr 2014 #138

It's the equivalent of Aerows Apr 2014 #351

+1 - There are very few Frank Church's left in our government now erronis Apr 2014 #76

What DU people keep overlooking is that the US would stop him once he's outside Russian airspace. ancianita Apr 2014 #12

People believe if you make him look bad you gain something The Straight Story Apr 2014 #14

It's not as though anyone can be certain the whole trip to Hong Kong wasn't a charade pnwmom Apr 2014 #15

And the antics with the Bolivian president's plane and the physical and very real attempts JDPriestly Apr 2014 #50

Obviously you have not seen the "map" of the Bolivian thing. DirkGently Apr 2014 #284

cool CT bro! Dragonfli Apr 2014 #52

get fucking real.. frylock Apr 2014 #139

Yeah, and if there were any connection, Snowden would be on TV with Putin, pnwmom Apr 2014 #207

this^ stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #314

The Swarm will not tolerate anyone that threatens the legacy... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #16

You nailed it. Jakes Progress Apr 2014 #81

For Example: bvar22 Apr 2014 #153

Nice clip art. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #313

Not true treestar Apr 2014 #174

The sad part is... malokvale77 Apr 2014 #269

+1. Sad indeed. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #277

True. Snowden, who was a two-time donor to the Ron Paul campaign, and who despises the New Deal, Tanuki Apr 2014 #17

LOL Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #30

Ron Paul supporter B Calm Apr 2014 #36

So Snowden was a dumb fuck reactionary? So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China? n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #68

and Hillary Rodham was a Goldwater girl frylock Apr 2014 #142

^^you'd think folks would be all over that, if ideological purity meant that much to them. nashville_brook Apr 2014 #198

Maybe it's because HRC was 17 at the time, and quickly changed her thinking as soon as she Tanuki Apr 2014 #221

The proper response to all of that is: so what? Maedhros Apr 2014 #381

Read the entire article. Thanks for bringing it here. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #212

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #268

Snowden was also a CIA agent. Who revealed nothing about the CIA Recursion Apr 2014 #309

So, can I still call him Moscow Eddie, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #20

Feel free to sound as childish and stupid as you like. Perhaps "poopy head" Dragonfli Apr 2014 #275

His name is Eddie and he fled to Moscow Progressive dog Apr 2014 #322

I would respond with an obvious answer but we have already established you don't like that Dragonfli Apr 2014 #347

I thought we were discussing Moscow Eddie Progressive dog Apr 2014 #379

He's also right-handed, yet I see no one referring to him that particular and wholly accurate descri LanternWaste Apr 2014 #377

Lots of people are right handed, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #378

Snowden had the misfortune of doing his duty under a Democratic administration seveneyes Apr 2014 #21

Agreed. That shit is indicative of a defect of character. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #25

Yeah, they're just smarting from that Pulitzer. DirkGently Apr 2014 #26

"if Snowden had leaked these documents with, say, President John McCain or Mitt Romney..." Chan790 Apr 2014 #28

The surveillance on your e-mails is in my view illegal. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #56

Thank you! I don't see how anyone could see this any other way. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #329

Did Daniel Ellsberg belong in prison? Maedhros Apr 2014 #108

I believe that Snowden knew the risk of imprisonment and did what he did anyway. merrily Apr 2014 #191

that's a shame arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

Fell on your face with that one..... bvar22 Apr 2014 #162

It's an old Right Wing, McCarthyite attempt to change the subject from the crimes committed by sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #31

Such a wasted opportunity for agreement. DirkGently Apr 2014 #57

People like Snowden make this country look good. It tells the world that the Corporate Media doesn't sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #226

by definition, he is a traitor. Morally, he is a traitor. pasto76 Apr 2014 #33

Morally how? We all benefit from the revelations. DirkGently Apr 2014 #46

"Traitor, Mr. Dickerson? To what? The British Crown? Or the British half-crown?" Demeter Apr 2014 #69

Revealing to the public the abuses of its goverment makes one a traitor? Maedhros Apr 2014 #110

+++ Excellent. And exactly the point. DirkGently Apr 2014 #227

The real traitors are the ones that are just fine with the NSA. L0oniX Apr 2014 #256

Can you be ProSense Apr 2014 #34

There is a reason China made him leave. randome Apr 2014 #37

Sure.....keep thinking that. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #38

Whereas I will hear out rational arguments against Snowdens whistle blowin regarding Constitutional Dragonfli Apr 2014 #39

If Comrade Eddie revealed the NSA spying under Bush Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #49

if the spying he revealed was against china, yes he would be a traitor under Bush. just as he is now arely staircase Apr 2014 #73

Those that disparage Snowden are the same people that disparage all rhett o rick Apr 2014 #53

Aren't WE supposed to be the ones who QUESTION authority? DirkGently Apr 2014 #59

I think that a citizen, esp a Democrat, should be skeptical of authority. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #74

More lame than upsetting, because it isn't working. DirkGently Apr 2014 #80

That's a broad brush you got there, Mr. Putin Apologist. emulatorloo Apr 2014 #95

I will go thru it slower. Those that spew hatred for Snowden do so because rhett o rick Apr 2014 #215

I can think eddie is a libertarian ass and not like the NSA. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #319

I heard that General Clapper was a libertarian. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #352

Same people that don't realize that we are not living under a democracy anymore. L0oniX Apr 2014 #199

My strong suspicion also.. sendero Apr 2014 #217

IMHO they live in a state of denial and hate it when someone tries to look behind the rhett o rick Apr 2014 #218

nah - like a certain sub-sect that you find on the fringe of all ideological movements - they are Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #306

I don't care for Snowden. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #251

I dont care if people dont like Snowden. What bothers me are those that disparage rhett o rick Apr 2014 #255

^An excellent nutshell for the whole thing. I hope everyone reads it. DirkGently Apr 2014 #333

That should be an OP. Plez consider it. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #349

Recommend! KoKo Apr 2014 #353

stop the distractive obsession with vilifying Snowden. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #384

"Stop the distractive obsession with vilifying Snowden." I so agree. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #387

I call bullshit on Snowden not choosing to go to Russia MohRokTah Apr 2014 #58

Not many places are safe from U.S. influence. DirkGently Apr 2014 #62

So what you're saying is he's a cowardly criminal afraid to face the music for his crimes. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #63

Ayn Rand? Where is the motive for personal gain? DirkGently Apr 2014 #77

Motive? FAME! eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #83

Uh huh. Big Dancing with the Stars money coming for Snowden, amirite? DirkGently Apr 2014 #88

It satisfies the ego, and Eddie Galt has proved one thing. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #89

Sooo ... the NSA was right all along? DirkGently Apr 2014 #97

Nice misdirect and straw man. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #111

Sooo ... Snowden is NOT about the NSA? DirkGently Apr 2014 #116

I don't go beyond Eddie Galt being a criminal who engaged in espionage. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #130

who engaged in espionage now? frylock Apr 2014 #146

I'm done talking about this MohRokTah Apr 2014 #147

A criminal like Ellsberg & Drake, you mean. DirkGently Apr 2014 #214

now, that was a head-scratching exchange! grasswire Apr 2014 #248

Did Ellsberg let a foreign country know how the us spied on them? Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #257

Bwahahahahah ...yea right. The NSA and CIA are the kings of espionage... L0oniX Apr 2014 #324

You don't understand the terms you are throwing around do you? Dragonfli Apr 2014 #276

I'm embarrased for the cult of Eddie Galt. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #285

Um Okay, I guess you decided not to take my advice as evidenced by your reply Dragonfli Apr 2014 #286

Please, stop attempting to bait me. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #289

when it comes to baiting SwampG8r Apr 2014 #296

And the baiting continues. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #297

And the immature Eddie Galt references continue HangOnKids Apr 2014 #301

all i can say is SwampG8r Apr 2014 #304

Just commented in a different OP... 2banon Apr 2014 #60

BTW, "Comrade Eddie" is a bullshit moniker. HE's Eddie Galt MohRokTah Apr 2014 #64

Because Russia is so libertarian? DirkGently Apr 2014 #91

This absurd question demonstrates you have never looked into Eddie Galt's past. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #151

Actually, it was a good question. Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #195

That's two questions you've refused to answer when you had no answer. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #205

That's twice you've ignored facts surrounding Effie Galt and made some sort of accusation MohRokTah Apr 2014 #231

Not a "comrade", but still has to come back to the US to stand trial. Marshall III Apr 2014 #65

And I'm sick of Edward Snowden, global hero...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #66

a few twists of fate and they'd be calling him "Hong Kong Tong Eddie" or "altiplano-skipping, MisterP Apr 2014 #67

"Ignore" is your friend Demeter Apr 2014 #72

Snowden commited an act of TREASON penndragon69 Apr 2014 #79

What now? Who did we "firing squad" for "treason" in 1994? DirkGently Apr 2014 #87

Snowden didn't committ treason. arely staircase Apr 2014 #92

Interesting. Has the DOJ charged him with "espionage?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #100

yes the charge is espionage, not treason arely staircase Apr 2014 #107

What do you know that DOJ doesn't? DirkGently Apr 2014 #112

I think a criminal complaint charging him with violating the Espionage Act counts arely staircase Apr 2014 #120

Yes, we know they charged him under the "Espionage Act." DirkGently Apr 2014 #122

I said he gave them to China - that was widely reported. arely staircase Apr 2014 #125

No it wasn't. There was one article, oft-repeated DirkGently Apr 2014 #137

yes it was. use the googles arely staircase Apr 2014 #170

I remember. All from the same Chinese article. DirkGently Apr 2014 #173

yes it was a chinese paper he gave an interveiw to and revealed what PLA systems the US was hacking arely staircase Apr 2014 #175

Please inform yourself regarding the legal definition of TREASON Maedhros Apr 2014 #118

As defined by the US Constitution, you are correct. Snowden committed treason: ucrdem Apr 2014 #159

I disagree. I think my snowden sucks credentials are pretty solid around here but arely staircase Apr 2014 #229

Yeah. No. That's not what any of that means. DirkGently Apr 2014 #230

so… a documentary film maker and indie blogger apparently made the highest bid? nashville_brook Apr 2014 #192

I know right? I happen to love the NSA going through my shit! Phlem Apr 2014 #332

Please Come Home , Comrade Snowden! /nt Cryptoad Apr 2014 #84

The NSA apologists are so stupid they don't know Russia isn't communist. DesMoinesDem Apr 2014 #90

Some of them apparently think it's Libertarian? DirkGently Apr 2014 #93

As the DUer who coined the phrase "Comrade Eddie," no. msanthrope Apr 2014 #96

I would copyright that shit ASAP. It's going places. DirkGently Apr 2014 #99

Are you ProSense Apr 2014 #104

Are you saying he committed "Espionage?" DirkGently Apr 2014 #109

The comment was ProSense Apr 2014 #126

The value of the NSA leaks is unquestionable. The attempts DirkGently Apr 2014 #131

LOL! ProSense Apr 2014 #136

Uh huh. "A crime." Not the crime of spying for a foreign power. DirkGently Apr 2014 #140

"A crime" is different from a "crime"? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #145

Yes, ProSense, there are different crimes. It's a whole thing. DirkGently Apr 2014 #156

Are they all "crimes"? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #178

There are big, thick books telling about the different kinds. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #190

He didn't 'leak' anything. randome Apr 2014 #150

Of course it was a leak. And you don't actually know that, at all. DirkGently Apr 2014 #152

But that's the definition of 'espionage'. randome Apr 2014 #158

No. Espionage is helping the enemy. Or it used to be. DirkGently Apr 2014 #163

We will probably never know what information has been 'leaked' to foreign countries. randome Apr 2014 #250

"But one thing we do know is that Snowden, by giving everything he had to others, put many national grasswire Apr 2014 #253

You're right, I personally don't know. randome Apr 2014 #273

AFAIK, the only source for the claim that... grasswire Apr 2014 #278

That's pretty much the point. Wash. state Desk Jet Apr 2014 #274

all conjecture on your part grasswire Apr 2014 #335

You seem to be in full agreement with Snowden when he mirrored bin laden's words, Wash. state Desk Jet Apr 2014 #359

Look forward, Prosense, look forward. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #243

I should add Bernie Sanders ProSense Apr 2014 #252

Indeed..if one uses binary thinking, it is difficult to place yourself within the narrative. msanthrope Apr 2014 #134

Isn't that cognitively dissonant? DirkGently Apr 2014 #149

Excellent Rebuttal. bvar22 Apr 2014 #154

No...Comrade Eddie leaked nothing that had not been apparent to anyone who was paying msanthrope Apr 2014 #165

Bingo. ucrdem Apr 2014 #166

When Section 215 is reauthorized because we had a depressed voter turnout, and msanthrope Apr 2014 #172

good point - they accuse of making it about Comrade Eddie but treestar Apr 2014 #176

Given the press conferences, the Ted appearances, and the film festival appearances... msanthrope Apr 2014 #355

Right. A Pulitzer. For old news everyone knew already. DirkGently Apr 2014 #177

Nether Snowden nor Greenwald won Pulitzer prizes. ucrdem Apr 2014 #182

You do understand they reported ON the leaked information? DirkGently Apr 2014 #187

Yes, the point is that neither won Pulitzer prizes. ucrdem Apr 2014 #189

Yes, Snowden's leaks became Pulitzer Prizewinning journalism. DirkGently Apr 2014 #193

Judith Miller got a Pulitzer, too. Look how that turned out. msanthrope Apr 2014 #204

You're equating real NSA wrongdoing with LIES about Iraq? DirkGently Apr 2014 #209

No....I'm pointing out that the narrative is not always what it seems. You are avoiding msanthrope Apr 2014 #261

Snowden was a CIA agent who has advanced the CIA's interests greatly Recursion Apr 2014 #310

Exactlly. Dirty work is afoot. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #361

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #315

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #123

Naw, some people just circle the wagons and jerk their knees Warpy Apr 2014 #128

Talk about circling the wagons! randome Apr 2014 #135

just b/c you don't see it as a big deal, doesn't mean it's not a big deal. nashville_brook Apr 2014 #186

They should. Warpy Apr 2014 #201

ITS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN! JaneyVee Apr 2014 #143

Correct. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #155

Apparently it is though. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #157

Snowden's the point for people with no argument re: the NSA scandal. DirkGently Apr 2014 #168

He's not stuck there. The US said that they would permit him to fly back Renew Deal Apr 2014 #160

That bit of obsurdity all you've got? 99Forever Apr 2014 #179

Poor Edward, for he did not know what he was doing, he's just an activist, Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #161

you seem to be suggesting that when a Democratic Administration is doing something that we would be Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #164

It's like we want US to do what we say THEY should do. DirkGently Apr 2014 #171

Why is that so bad? treestar Apr 2014 #167

Just because it's such a transparent rearguard attack on the NSA scandal? DirkGently Apr 2014 #183

Well it hasn't changed most people's lives treestar Apr 2014 #219

No, it was not "trying to get at Obama." That is your mistake. DirkGently Apr 2014 #224

eddie enid602 Apr 2014 #180

Right. His motives count more than NSA lawbreaking. DirkGently Apr 2014 #210

Maybe the brobdingnagian hypocrisy of the NSA's quasi-Stasi behavior being covered up Maedhros Apr 2014 #272

Exactly why they do it, in order to be irritating.. Fumesucker Apr 2014 #185

Poor form, though. They won. NSA lost. Good for everyone. DirkGently Apr 2014 #197

they're taking a page from Limbaugh. it's a form of bullying, nashville_brook Apr 2014 #188

Inmate Eddie would be better. gulliver Apr 2014 #196

You really don't know what Eddie--Comrade or not--"chose" to do. Neither do I. MADem Apr 2014 #213

Just wait until he pisses off Putin... Historic NY Apr 2014 #223

+1000 Peacetrain Apr 2014 #228

There were also the successful attempts to prevent him flying to Latin America. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #233

The hero worship is becoming Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #239

Seriously. Obama is just a President. Imperfect like everyone. DirkGently Apr 2014 #290

Who mentioned Obama? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #293

Snowden's no hero.. Cha Apr 2014 #242

Defending a poor war of choice obxhead Apr 2014 #247

I disagree.. I think he's a lying libertarian asshole who has made this too much about himself.. Cha Apr 2014 #249

So, he paints just like George Bush flamingdem Apr 2014 #262

the stench of libertarian is all over eddie. stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #318

Funny how it works indeed. obxhead Apr 2014 #246

Some of the apologists may be Administration sock puppets paid to influence public opinion, you know blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #254

I always thought it was odd that there were (1) fancy posters for a pro-Snowden demo in Hong Kong flamingdem Apr 2014 #263

To what "fancy posters" are you referring? Maedhros Apr 2014 #383

may be = certainly are. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #307

Must be lots of NSA lurkers visiting DU these days. wolfie001 Apr 2014 #267

Such folks have (a) a conservative agenda, and (b) no credibility... NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #270

"Comrade Eddie" doesn't work...Russia isn't the USSR anymore. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #279

I doubt that facts will change the mind of these people. NealK Apr 2014 #299

Another Kick !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #287

That's very childish IMHO. NealK Apr 2014 #300

meh. Name-calling is all they have when their argument is weak. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #302

My first though too AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #305

Reality bites, don't it? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #303

They so piously take offense to "comrade eddie" but freely dish out "authoritarian"/ "nsa Cha Apr 2014 #311

I wish only knew what Danziger thought of this latest stunt, but Charlie Pierce... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #312

I TOO AM SICK OF THIS COMRADE EDDIE BS, SNOWDEN IS A TRUE PATRIOT drynberg Apr 2014 #320

Either way, the USG is massively violating our constitutional rights, and with our money, merrily Apr 2014 #368

I haven't called him "Comrade Eddie", but I still don't like him... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2014 #327

But but but Enthusiast Apr 2014 #328

Yes, thank you for this! Phlem Apr 2014 #330

Missing the fourth amendment point ellie50 Apr 2014 #334

How often does this need to be explained? randome Apr 2014 #336

Except of course NSA does violate the Constitution. DirkGently Apr 2014 #341

The first link is a ruling by the FISC. One of the very courts some here don't see as legitimate. randome Apr 2014 #343

"Procedures" are exactly where the abuse occurs. DirkGently Apr 2014 #346

His choice was Iceland. But he couldn't go there mainer Apr 2014 #348

Read this Vanity Fair article first. Then try to call him comrade Eddie. mainer Apr 2014 #350

For those that state he would be called "Traitor" Aerows Apr 2014 #354

I don't get how calling him Comrade Eddie could bother anyone. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #373

K & R malaise Apr 2014 #376