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51. how much corporate welfare would be needed for Toyota to stay in CA?

Reply to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:01 AM

Apr 2014

and how many of their current employees will move with them to TX? Some would rather have beaches than a bigger house, traffic isn't much better in DFW than SoCAL, both are sprawed out

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Toyota moves from Ca to Tx: When are bluestates going to actively fight job poachers? [View all] betterdemsonly Apr 2014 OP

They are also leaving KY, which I would not consider a blue state. Travis_0004 Apr 2014 #1

If they are leaving because of regs and taxes they betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #2

no direct flights to Japan from KY pstokely Apr 2014 #42

I have been very surprised ... oldhippie Apr 2014 #3

This is far worse than what Sterling did. betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #5

Me too. flying rabbit Apr 2014 #12

I'm sure it will do wonders for employee morale. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #4

I know! I live in Texas and would love to move to California sammytko Apr 2014 #6

Same boat in Texas. GOPee Apr 2014 #8

That will not be found in present day Texas malokvale77 Apr 2014 #13

toyota wants all the welfare benefits with none of the responsibility to give back nt msongs Apr 2014 #7

Given the housing situation in the southbay Johonny Apr 2014 #9

Higher property taxes in Texas because there's no state income tax. tammywammy Apr 2014 #10

The price of car insurance is much higher in Tx betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #22

Ugh tammywammy Apr 2014 #33

If you want to bash Texas, any chance to exaggerate is "legitimate." kentauros Apr 2014 #40

Good grief what a silly post... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #107

It is still in a republican state betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #111

It's surreal.. sendero May 2014 #161

So has Plano found a way to opt-out of the officially sanctioned curriculum betterdemsonly May 2014 #177

Yes because the internet is always right AnalystInParadise May 2014 #179

So native Texan Bill Moyers is lying about the curriculum the School Board is mandating. betterdemsonly May 2014 #182

It was my daughter AnalystInParadise May 2014 #183

You are the one that made a personal thing betterdemsonly May 2014 #185

The guy is obviously not sincere. He'll get bored and go back to that other site, most likely. nt Romulox May 2014 #191

He admitted he had a security clearance betterdemsonly May 2014 #194

Bullshit flag number one thrown AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #132

Bullshit flag number two thrown AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #133

But what do those TX HS grads know, compared to a CA HS grad? alp227 May 2014 #147

LOL AnalystInParadise May 2014 #156

Apparently Texas falsifies its dropout rate by counting dropouts as homeschooled betterdemsonly May 2014 #164

Prop 13? Probably irrelevant. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2014 #81

talking about company that probably bought the land in 1982 Johonny Apr 2014 #116

Good deal for Texas and Plano, bummer for California... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #11

And on the other hand.. X_Digger Apr 2014 #15

I don't care about Texas or California betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #18

I travel a lot, every week I am in a new small town... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #21

Pretty skeptical of that betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #26

Arrogant nonsense AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #134

I think it's called sour grapes badtoworse Apr 2014 #135

California sucks when it comes to taxes joeglow3 Apr 2014 #14

I don't think that is nearly as awful as getting blown up betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #27

And everyone is entitled to their opinion. joeglow3 Apr 2014 #28

I think corporations should honor their betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #32

Please elaborate on that joeglow3 Apr 2014 #37

Could you please cite a couple of passages .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #62

they also don't appear to be worried about their employees kids being taught creationism pstokely Apr 2014 #74

How come we only care about employees with kids? joeglow3 Apr 2014 #75

My god, birth control is available in Texas. former9thward Apr 2014 #126

Thank You! npk Apr 2014 #143

It is not available in most areas if you are uninsured betterdemsonly May 2014 #163

I and most people have never used insurance to buy birth control in my life. former9thward May 2014 #188

You didn't even bother reading it. betterdemsonly May 2014 #193

And I don't want to share a tent with someone who puts out 'facts' that are not true. former9thward May 2014 #195

Only on certain varieties of the pill betterdemsonly May 2014 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author betterdemsonly May 2014 #189

Why wouldn't one be able to use birth control in Texas? IronGate Apr 2014 #146

Jennifer Granholm has. moondust Apr 2014 #16

But how? The state of WA just gave Boeing billions in perks and Boeing said thanks pnwmom Apr 2014 #17

Perks do nothing but increase betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #19

A tax penalty would drive Boeing completely out of here. I don't understand how you think pnwmom Apr 2014 #20

We need a national tax penalty for this sort of behavior betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #24

Only a national solution would help. But that's awfully hard to imagine happening.n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #25

It's like a game of "musical chairs" that's been going on some 50 years now. Romulox Apr 2014 #31

Yes and the question was how to stop it betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #38

I don't think you can stop it. Once you buy into the logic of cheap labor, a race-to-the-bottom Romulox Apr 2014 #39

I don't buy into the logic of cheap labor betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #46

Americans do though. Toyota is #1 in the US, remember. It's been a non-union shop since day 1. nt Romulox May 2014 #192

Why did Toyota move? nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #23

Because California has become extremely expensive with taxes yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #54

but how many will actually come from CA? pstokely Apr 2014 #55

It depends yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #56

it's a loss for a blue state, a win for a red state pstokely Apr 2014 #57

Can you elaborate on your last statement npk Apr 2014 #144

Well UCLA is more selective than Texas Tech or Oklahoma State, and UT pstokely May 2014 #153

But why didn't you talk about Rice University? AnalystInParadise May 2014 #180

10 years ago sweetapogee Apr 2014 #59

Toyota moved because they need to consolidate their North American operations. haele May 2014 #167

They're moving to the Legacy Business Park in Plano tammywammy May 2014 #168

Okay - so it's not as sweetheart as it potentially could have been... haele May 2014 #170

Thanks for this OP. I'm in the market for a new car. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #29

Why? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #44

perhaps sweetapogee Apr 2014 #60

Wait...the people who go out of their way to buy non union made product will care about this why? Romulox Apr 2014 #30

And so the game will continue because you think betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #35

It's not up to me. It's up to Toyota's consumers. They're anti-union, pro-race-to-the-bottom Romulox Apr 2014 #36

I am well aware of that betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #47

Toyota Prius, the union busters car of choice. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #53

That's not true. People just want to get the best car they can for their money badtoworse Apr 2014 #61

Listen to yourself. You went non-union to save a buck. That's what union-busting is all about. Romulox Apr 2014 #94

Save a buck? Try a few thousand more for an inferior car. badtoworse Apr 2014 #108

And I'm sure they save thousands per head by moving from California. So why complain? nt Romulox May 2014 #174

So wait I bought a car that cost me and my family less money AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #136

I didn't invent the concept of "solidarity", I'm just trying to explain it to you guys. Romulox May 2014 #173

My job is recession proof AnalystInParadise May 2014 #178

So maybe YOU are the scorpion in the story, instead of the frog. The moral is the same: Romulox May 2014 #190

Maybe they should make a competitive product... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #169

The point of this thread is that *California* isn't putting out a "competitive product". Romulox May 2014 #172

Agree NOT buying a non union made car should PubsFU Apr 2014 #66

I bought a non union car AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #137

Guess you must be part of the 1% whose wages for labor are not impacted in anyway, shape or form PubsFU May 2014 #157

Yeah I am actually. AnalystInParadise May 2014 #181

Is that a deliberate taunt? Or is it sarcasm? Populist_Prole May 2014 #184

So basically you are just self centered and selfish PubsFU May 2014 #186

How exactly did you "save 7,000 dollars" by buying a non-union car? LTX May 2014 #187

To the average person, the average consumer, it's about bang for buck. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #90

OK. That same analysis applies with equal force to the average person. *You* haven't been excused Romulox Apr 2014 #93

Indeed? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #104

Standing up for one's principles has a cost. So does not doing so. Romulox Apr 2014 #105

So in other words Savannahmann Apr 2014 #106

My principles AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #138

Yep. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #110

I'm betting they will pay their people less in Texas. Toyota will gain, their workers will not. Mr.Bill Apr 2014 #34

Why shouldn't they joeglow3 Apr 2014 #76

the talent needed may be attracted to places that have a cost of living pstokely Apr 2014 #80

I agree. joeglow3 Apr 2014 #87

but the talent needed for some companies might be in NY or CA instead of Omaha pstokely Apr 2014 #97

Currently, maybe joeglow3 Apr 2014 #103

Workers in Plano will gain; it's a better paying job than average there even if it's less than CA Recursion May 2014 #148

How do you know Toyota will pay more there Mr.Bill May 2014 #152

It may take a big raise to get those California employees to come to Plano away from the beaches pstokely May 2014 #154

I'm sure that's their plan. n/t Mr.Bill May 2014 #155

there wasn't any need for Toyota to be on the West Coast with their plants in the Midwest/South pstokely Apr 2014 #41

That's fairly circular reasoning. Their plants are in the South because of cheap labor and lack of Romulox Apr 2014 #43

Business wise California is a great place to do a lot of things Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2014 #45

i think california is used when appearances matter more JI7 Apr 2014 #48

To an extent that is true, Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2014 #50

I have read this board for a number of year Lonusca Apr 2014 #70

It's not easy to start or run a business in CA. zappaman Apr 2014 #49

If you don't have time for the beach, you might as well go were you get the most for your $ pstokely Apr 2014 #52

how much corporate welfare would be needed for Toyota to stay in CA? pstokely Apr 2014 #51

California is not a business friendly state badtoworse Apr 2014 #58

Tell me about it ... oldhippie Apr 2014 #63

an over-regulated state vs no-regulated state pstokely Apr 2014 #64

Texas is all sunshine and rainbows until the fertilizer plant one block bullwinkle428 Apr 2014 #65

lack of fertilizer plant regulations didn't attract Toyota to DFW, it's location did pstokely Apr 2014 #67

We used to be able to have nice things in California. Throd Apr 2014 #68

So? Should "business friendly" be the be-all end-all of a good state? alp227 May 2014 #149

It's up to the state to make that decision badtoworse May 2014 #158

That's why we are the 8th largest economy in the world. Starry Messenger May 2014 #151

You sound like Alfred E Neuman badtoworse May 2014 #159

You sound like Ayn Rand. Starry Messenger May 2014 #160

Sometime's it's the most efficient way to communicate. badtoworse May 2014 #162

I'm not only unsure of the means, but also the assumptive reason. whatthehey Apr 2014 #69

many natives of CA and KY may not want to move to TX (or MI) even with raise or bigger house pstokely Apr 2014 #71

Sure - and if it's their choice to make then they can decide what's more important whatthehey Apr 2014 #78

would you expect a native Texan from DFW to move to CA or NY pstokely Apr 2014 #82

I'm on my 8th state. Why not? whatthehey Apr 2014 #86

Sure, why not? DFW Apr 2014 #101

Yes, I've known some that have done exactly that. tammywammy Apr 2014 #112

Your logic and reasoning notwithstanding ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #99

and moving thousands of mostly well educated cosmopolitanmiddle class folks into TX won't help that? whatthehey Apr 2014 #100

Will y'all EVER learn? kentauros Apr 2014 #102

It looks to me like ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #113

I'm guessing, then, kentauros Apr 2014 #114

I live in Texas ..... oldhippie Apr 2014 #115

Then you're not looking at the map I provided kentauros Apr 2014 #117

Whatever .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #123

Faster-better-cheaper wins every time. Orsino Apr 2014 #72

it wouldn't have helped, Toyota wanted a central location pstokely Apr 2014 #73

CA should refuse to allow a single new Toyota to be sold in the state randys1 Apr 2014 #77

Should Japan have done so when Toyota hired people in CA in the first place? whatthehey Apr 2014 #79

Then no company would ever set up shop in California again. Throd Apr 2014 #84

what is unattractive about it? CA expects them to pay taxes like everyone else? randys1 Apr 2014 #85

It is expensive and difficult to do business in CA. Throd Apr 2014 #88

do you know why? randys1 Apr 2014 #89

Businesses are going to go where it's cheaper to do business, IronGate Apr 2014 #92

I have been involved in manufacturing in CA for 20 years. I do know why. Throd Apr 2014 #95

How hard would it be if you couldnt sell your product here at all? randys1 Apr 2014 #118

I support "Intelligent oversight of business". I don't see that practiced here. Throd Apr 2014 #120

You havent said anything but generalities randys1 Apr 2014 #121

High taxes, CEQA, excessive workman's comp, bogus ADA lawsuits... Throd Apr 2014 #122

I'll add some joeglow3 Apr 2014 #127

that's what i thought randys1 Apr 2014 #128

You get your wish, kinda, .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #129

If any of us had any guts we would DEMAND randys1 Apr 2014 #130

cheaper labor in red states pstokely Apr 2014 #98

That is because people are hungry randys1 Apr 2014 #119

So true. IronGate Apr 2014 #91

Look at post 14 joeglow3 Apr 2014 #125

Should the other 49 states refuse to allow Toyota's to be sold if they are not built in their state? former9thward Apr 2014 #124

Wasn't all that long ago that DU wanted Toyota to die Dreamer Tatum Apr 2014 #83

Texans are American citizens, too. MicaelS Apr 2014 #96

As much as I despise Texas this is just the cycle continuing. Jake Stern Apr 2014 #109

You are missing out AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #140

Texas will be blue soon anyway. gulliver Apr 2014 #131

When my girlfriend was working in the DFW area she got be a bumper sticker Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2014 #141

not overnight, but gradually pstokely Apr 2014 #142

Toyota makes business decisions based on what's best for the company. Quelle surprise! WillowTree Apr 2014 #139

Didn't realize DU was so teeming with corporatists Populist_Prole Apr 2014 #145

What do you expect when the Democratic PARTY has lots of corporatists in office? nt alp227 May 2014 #150

I think it is astroturfing betterdemsonly May 2014 #165

What's an afcio icon? IronGate May 2014 #171

I'm not sure it's so much "business environment" issue but consolidation issue that prompted this. haele May 2014 #166

Reminder: Toyota is "consolidating" in the cheap-labor South because that's where they make cars. Romulox May 2014 #175

Who is worse? 4Q2u2 May 2014 #176