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nadinbrzezinski

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73. You are correct

Mon May 5, 2014, 02:15 PM

May 2014

Last edited Mon May 5, 2014, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Non US citizens do not vote in US elections. I expect them though to vote in their own elections

US citizens who are members of the Universe that is DU who have missed an election have done such due to family emergencies or illness. DU has a very high turnout rate, since geez Louis it is full of activists.

As to my conclusion of the just vote and things will be better is based on talking with people who were told that by well meaning activists, after seeing pretty much no action they stopped voting. We got two back to voting, alas we made then hard core sctivists, and they never use that simplistic formula themselves due to their experience. I dare say they are not alone.

And that is what you keep ignoring and will keep ugnoring. The oligarchy loves you though. You are well meaning, but there is a reason why voting rates are as low as they are. One of the reasons is the simple messaging.

American activists really need a good talk with activists around the world and to develop a concept of class.

I of course expect you to continue to misrepresent what I am telling you. And to continue to make accusations of voter suppression. These, I might add, are funny as hell

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If we don't vote... [View all] riqster May 2014 OP

But will they vote for the same corporate owned candidates? L0oniX May 2014 #1

They will all vote Republican. Each and every one. riqster May 2014 #5

We need a voting mob in 2014. gulliver May 2014 #2

+ 1 gazillion. riqster May 2014 #3

+1 n/t FSogol May 2014 #4

oh, they'll vote either way. barbtries May 2014 #6

Good point. riqster May 2014 #7

Re the "N***** please!! It's a WHITE house" guy. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #8

been to the south lately? backwoodsbob May 2014 #107

I was. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #108

you answered your own question backwoodsbob May 2014 #110

Once again, I truly wish it was this damn simple nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #9

Me too, sulphurdunn May 2014 #10

Mathematically, it is. And math determines the fate of the nation. riqster May 2014 #11

Again, I wish it was this simple nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #12

A very good article, thanks for sharing. riqster May 2014 #16

It does make a good case for getting your walking shoes nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #18

But without voting, nothing is possible. riqster May 2014 #21

Wrong. Re-read the article nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #27

That is a suppressive message. riqster May 2014 #28

Ah contraire mom ami nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #29

Once again, you are discouraging voting. riqster May 2014 #31

How many times will we need to have nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #35

Oh and do explain this to me nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #40

You assume that all I do is vote. That is, like most assumptions, wrong. riqster May 2014 #46

GOTV messages on DU are a waste of time, imo. Laelth May 2014 #53

The idea is to get the choir to GOTV when not in the choir loft. riqster May 2014 #56

I will be impressed when he goes to the Inner City nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #58

+1 nt laundry_queen May 2014 #94

One of our local activists works for the local labor council nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #60

We're overthinking it. gulliver May 2014 #24

Not over thinkng it nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #25

GOTV is not silly here. riqster May 2014 #32

You are picking rotten fruit nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #36

I hope you are not calling DUers "rotten fruit". That would be disrespectful in the extreme. riqster May 2014 #50

You do know the term hanging fruit nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #59

So it was an insulting term on your part. That is your choice. riqster May 2014 #61

You take it as an insult. nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #63

Ah, so calling people rotten fruit and disparaging voting is your GOTV plan? riqster May 2014 #67

You on purpose twist things nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #71

THIS ^^^^^^^ !!! calimary May 2014 #13

I personally onecaliberal May 2014 #14

I hope you're right. But I push GOTV regardless. riqster May 2014 #15

Pushing Dems to vote onecaliberal May 2014 #20

Thank you! Sick of the defeatist, woe is me BS and the constant Skidmore May 2014 #26

Yep. Right below your post is an excellent example of what we are up against here. riqster May 2014 #30

Give us something to vote for. woo me with science May 2014 #17

^^This^^ 99Forever May 2014 #23

Very well put. woo me with science May 2014 #38

So you prefer standing outside rather and lobbing grenades Skidmore May 2014 #33

Some find whinning from behind the keyboard is easier than voting. JoePhilly May 2014 #51

I like corporate owned candidate B rather than corporate candidate A. L0oniX May 2014 #76

One has a cute dog. woo me with science May 2014 #109

"run a "dog person" against a "cat person," to increase excitement for the pageantry" LMFAO L0oniX May 2014 #112

The person who made this Jamaal510 May 2014 #19

Yeah, the wording wasn't perfect. Still a good pic. riqster May 2014 #22

Excellent point. The "Voting can't change anything" arguments don't stack up - voting's our best Chathamization May 2014 #34

Voting is the bare minimum.... YoungDemCA May 2014 #37

Exactly nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #39

Voting is the foundation on which we build a movement. riqster May 2014 #41

"we?" "you?" LWolf May 2014 #42

Good on you for voting. riqster May 2014 #44

And data again contradicts that statement nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #62

I said "center through the left". riqster May 2014 #65

What I disparage is the simplistic thinking nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #66

Assumption is not your friend. riqster May 2014 #68

Here is what you keep missing nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #70

Not everyone here votes. There are posts here that prove it. riqster May 2014 #72

You are correct nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #73

I am misrepresenting nothing. riqster May 2014 #74

I am not the only one who told you that it is silly nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #80

Once again: I am advocating that we vote, and encourage others to vote. riqster May 2014 #81

And nobody is telling you to stop GOTV nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #82

Again with the assumptions. And again, incorrect. riqster May 2014 #83

So telling people to *get involved in the system is voter suppression?* nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #84

Oh and by the way, this is a textbook example of an ad hominen attack nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #85

Why are you attacking me for encouraging voting? riqster May 2014 #90

If attacking you is expanding the conversation in a place nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #93

Here is why I am puzzled: riqster May 2014 #95

I will continue to tell you that voting is not enough nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #96

Once again, you are arguing with something I did not say. riqster May 2014 #97

You attack me, personally and accuse me of suppressing the vote... nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #98

When you disparage efforts to increase voting, yes, I call that suppression. riqster May 2014 #99

If you understand widening the discussion nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #100

Expansion is not what you did. What you did was criticize and object. riqster May 2014 #101

You got my number nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #102

What you are doing is having an argument with yourself. riqster May 2014 #103

Expected, you are suppressing the vote nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author riqster May 2014 #105

Have fun at work. riqster May 2014 #106

We have been accused nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #111

it IS illuminating! zappaman May 2014 #87

Less Taxis, lol B Calm May 2014 #43

Yeah, those are the Wingnuts who always vote. riqster May 2014 #45

Even when you do vote, we still end up with those idiots in office or worse Exposethefrauds May 2014 #47

We need to vote in primaries and general elections. riqster May 2014 #48

With D's like Pryor, Landrieu, and Manchin the 1% does not even have to own all the D's Exposethefrauds May 2014 #49

That is why we need to be more active throughout the cycle. riqster May 2014 #54

Agree more people need to be involved early on and be ready to be attacked by those who Exposethefrauds May 2014 #55

I disagree with the last part of your post. riqster May 2014 #57

What a moron! Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #52

Isn't that "Moran"? riqster May 2014 #64

That is scarry! Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #69

...so will the corporations that own this country. L0oniX May 2014 #75

Sadly, that is entirely true. The bastards. riqster May 2014 #77

That's the problem for one's conscience. Voting for corporate candidate A or B. L0oniX May 2014 #88

After 8 years of the Bushistas, and now under Repub occupation in Ohio, riqster May 2014 #89

Either way we are being herded into a fascistic corporate owned country. L0oniX May 2014 #92

+ infinity ~ vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote, etc. Zorra May 2014 #78

And take your friends and family with you! riqster May 2014 #79

Sad to see people on this site and this thread discouraging voting zappaman May 2014 #86

Thanks! riqster May 2014 #91