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lumberjack_jeff

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42. Why conflate these?

Mon May 12, 2014, 10:11 PM

May 2014

Last edited Mon May 12, 2014, 11:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Why do I know that white privilege exists?
Because minorities get poorer education.
Because minorities live shorter lives
Because minorities get worse medical care
Because minorities suffer more frequent and longer periods of unemployment
Because minorities are more frequently injured and killed on the job
Because minorities suffer more alcoholism and drug addiction
Because minorities suffer more frequent violent victimization
Because minorities get worse treatment by the justice system and are given worse sentences for the same crime

How do I know that male privilege doesn't exist? See the above list and replace "minorities" with "men".

The reason that they're conflated is because one of them is bullshit and must be parasitically attached to a legitimate injustice to survive.

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Is White Male Straight Privilege Real? [View all] el_bryanto May 2014 OP

Attend a white privilege conference. JaneyVee May 2014 #1

Of course it is. NuclearDem May 2014 #2

Here's some real data to prove it is real. s-cubed May 2014 #3

Of course it is. Iggo May 2014 #4

Affluent privilege is real. JJChambers May 2014 #5

It is the "icing on the cake" privilege... malokvale77 May 2014 #9

Who has more privilege? JJChambers May 2014 #13

My point was... malokvale77 May 2014 #22

It is getting harder and harder to argue that one can change their wealth dsc May 2014 #59

WWZK? Demeter May 2014 #54

^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!! Squinch May 2014 #58

My answer is "no, yes, no". Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #6

When one group receives preferential treatment relative to another group, Maedhros May 2014 #7

That is the exact definition of privilege malokvale77 May 2014 #10

I think that the problem for some folks is that they have a definition of "privilege" in their heads Maedhros May 2014 #61

it's also called entitlement noiretextatique May 2014 #29

Yes, clearly 951-Riverside May 2014 #8

I love polls that mock the issues with options that have no bearing boston bean May 2014 #11

I didn't intend disrespect. It's just the way I do polls. nt el_bryanto May 2014 #14

IMHO, it is disrespectful of a very important topic and seemed to boston bean May 2014 #15

I deleted the two options el_bryanto May 2014 #17

No, it isn't about her feelings. If you want to apologize then apologize for blatantly minimizing redqueen May 2014 #18

OK - you are ascribing malice where there was none el_bryanto May 2014 #19

You neglected to add right handed! whistler162 May 2014 #12

Able-bodied, non-veteran, straight white males from 17 to 45 are legally unprotected FarCenter May 2014 #16

"Do racial discrimination, sexism, and anti-gay discrimination exist in the US today?" Nye Bevan May 2014 #20

Why is the term privilege flamebait? el_bryanto May 2014 #21

I understand that your question in the OP essentially means the same thing Nye Bevan May 2014 #24

Well yes but a black person who is unemployed, or about to lose their job el_bryanto May 2014 #25

In general yes, but everything I said about the "privilege" framing still applies (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #27

I don't really agree. el_bryanto May 2014 #30

There's a reason you don't often hear politicians talking about "white privilege". Nye Bevan May 2014 #32

Useful for understanding the world - not everything has to be boiled down to it's utility el_bryanto May 2014 #36

If a white friend in a bar was telling you how they were broke and being evicted, Nye Bevan May 2014 #39

Probably not - does that mean I can't use the term ever? nt el_bryanto May 2014 #45

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. Nye Bevan May 2014 #47

because DUers are assumed to be a step ahead in understanding the world el_bryanto May 2014 #53

I think DUers are more representative of your friend in the bar than you think (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #60

No, but in other contexts I might. Nothing inherently wrong with picking your battles. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #46

Of course they will if you butcher the meaning of privilege like that. NuclearDem May 2014 #33

If you had a broke white friend being evicted would you talk to them about their "privilege"? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #35

I'm a straight white man who's been out of work for a year and has PTSD. NuclearDem May 2014 #38

That doesn't really answer my question (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #41

Yes it does. NuclearDem May 2014 #48

So PoC who've had family members murdered by police etc. should tread carefully nomorenomore08 May 2014 #44

I would suggest they frame it as something like Nye Bevan May 2014 #49

I would never suggest such a thing. They can frame it any damn way they please. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #52

You have begun at least two threads on the subject BainsBane May 2014 #23

I believe I have only ever started threads that discourage the "privilege" framing. Nye Bevan May 2014 #26

Exactly BainsBane May 2014 #28

Hmmm. I don't recall starting *any* threads telling members of color what words not to use. Nye Bevan May 2014 #31

But you do kinda whine a bit when it's used. bravenak May 2014 #34

If suggesting that one framing is less constructive than another is "whining", Nye Bevan May 2014 #37

It's the fact that we heard you and decided to deny your request. bravenak May 2014 #40

Perhaps I am wrong, and that lecturing whites about their "privilege" will, indeed, help Nye Bevan May 2014 #43

It will help once they recognize it and change it. bravenak May 2014 #50

OK, well good luck. We all want the same result in the end (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #51

You made clear you objected to the use of the word BainsBane May 2014 #65

Why conflate these? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #42

what the hell are you talking about? kwassa May 2014 #55

gibberish. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #62

Irritation doesn't preclude white privilege. kwassa May 2014 #63

I acknowledge my white privilege. Like I did in 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010... lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #64

No. NuclearDem May 2014 #57

Throw "Non-Disabled" on there KamaAina May 2014 #56

If You Could Push A Magic Button.... That Would Turn You Black And/Or Female... WillyT May 2014 #66

Few adults would. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #67