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239. If Admins and MIRT enforce the TOS, that doesn't go to say juries do not.

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:44 AM

May 2014

Juries judge community standards violations, meaning whatever the community deems appropriate. Surely that should include the TOS but if you must split hairs, they are not bound by it. The very same thing is true to say about the Admins. But my point is, forum hosts enforce their forum's SOP and not the TOS. In this case a jury made a decision that was within their purview.

Since you ask, I will repeat: No, I can't think of any reason why the OP of this thread violates the GD forum SOP. You can't either because it doesn't.

I vote to lock gun posts in GD because they are specifically prohibited by the forum SOP. I harbor partialities just like everyone else - even you. I am a gun owner and I make no secret of that. I challenge you to show where this or any other predisposition has caused me to act unethically as a host in even one case.

It will be a few days before I can get back to you. This morning I am leaving on a camping trip to do some trout fishing. I'm also going to hunt wild turkeys. With a gun.

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Tackling Asian Privilege [View all] The Straight Story May 2014 OP

... oldhippie May 2014 #1

LOL, + 42 Xyzse May 2014 #5

Where's that head exploding gif? LittleBlue May 2014 #7

Let me check Xyzse May 2014 #16

I can't believe you posted this. boston bean May 2014 #2

I didn't write it. And how is it racist? (nt) The Straight Story May 2014 #3

You posted that shit here. Read it and determine how racist it is yourself. boston bean May 2014 #4

Why don't you explain how it's racist. You made the accusation. badtoworse May 2014 #6

So, you deny privilege exists? (nt) The Straight Story May 2014 #10

Oh yeah, that's exactly what I think. boston bean May 2014 #13

SCORE! oldhippie May 2014 #17

Hardly surpising BainsBane May 2014 #224

Yeah, I DO have certain views towards certain people of color ... oldhippie May 2014 #266

Why have you recommended an OP from a right wing racist website muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #299

Whooshed right over your head ... oldhippie May 2014 #356

I'm beginning to think I don't want to understand your views muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #357

" ... it looks very bad for you." oldhippie May 2014 #362

I would deny that that particular ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #12

I take it as a thinly veiled slap at the W/P ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #53

Par for the all white country club course alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #138

TBH, more mealy-mouthed, racist libertarian trolling! Yep. bettyellen May 2014 #161

the website is publishedby a guy who teamed up with Pat Buchanan and founded the American Conservati LanternWaste May 2014 #8

read this: boston bean May 2014 #14

... Yet, it is an OP on a site called Democratic Underground etherealtruth May 2014 #62

And it is so unsurprising who posted it here, and who's celebrating redqueen May 2014 #65

No, no surprises etherealtruth May 2014 #77

11 recs so far for this racist garbage. redqueen May 2014 #89

I have to admit, I too, have checked to see who would rec something like this n/t etherealtruth May 2014 #90

Yeah... chervilant May 2014 #355

Rec does not mean 'I agree'. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #473

Quick question about your signature FrodosPet May 2014 #79

In this country the passenger's right to a public accommodation wins every time etherealtruth May 2014 #86

Unfortunately, I have dealt with both of those situations FrodosPet May 2014 #94

My sig line is a reminder for tolerance etherealtruth May 2014 #110

misogynist too? and the OP is a fan of his writings. Im shocked, I tell you! bettyellen May 2014 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author bettyellen May 2014 #167

Interesting. The Straight Story May 2014 #15

No, it's a suggestion for you to reconsider the post. boston bean May 2014 #19

White privilege does exist. How is it relevant when discussing other privileges? The Straight Story May 2014 #22

fucking figure it out yourself. This entire thread makes me sick. boston bean May 2014 #24

LOL snooper2 May 2014 #282

"I'm out. I won't have any part in this." pintobean May 2014 #288

Or merely pointing out relevant ideology of an author sourced. LanternWaste May 2014 #27

You do realize ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #78

I don't think he noticed that. Squinch May 2014 #95

Trouble is it's written by a rightpwing racist white guy Scootaloo May 2014 #360

The OP read like satire to me. Had no idea I was supposed to take it seriously. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #478

Consider who posted it. redqueen May 2014 #483

Noted. Not surprised either. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #484

It's simply relevant context... regardless of any projection. LanternWaste May 2014 #20

I think I'm seeing some great Machiavellian tactics Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #9

Oh, please, don't kid yourself .... oldhippie May 2014 #21

Nah. It's just one guy flame baiting. Like he always does when he is feeling sorry for himself. Squinch May 2014 #42

If that is true, there must be a perpetual pity party going on etherealtruth May 2014 #88

Absolutely Right! Butch McQueen May 2014 #46

I thought it was coordinated from outside from the beginning... KoKo May 2014 #389

OFFS rudolph the red May 2014 #11

How DARE you start a thread on DU asserting that a particular racial group is "privileged". Nye Bevan May 2014 #18

Using the success to try and deflect the difficulties minorities face boston bean May 2014 #23

"Racist" You keep using that word. Bok_Tukalo May 2014 #26

The word "Racist" was not used in the post you reply to intaglio May 2014 #518

I see what you did there..... Mr_Harshaw May 2014 #51

After 9-11 it was mostly Asians shot and killed JI7 May 2014 #25

what ? nobody wants to respond to this, why don't white peopel have to worry about being attacked JI7 May 2014 #29

Unless the "white people" is Jewish - the big exception, as always. Raksha May 2014 #311

British Asians too LeftishBrit May 2014 #175

No one seems to want to answer you! Squinch May 2014 #428

Actually... Xyzse May 2014 #28

Not to mention the glass ceiling many Asians face woolldog May 2014 #70

and look at right wingers trying to get rid of Eric Shinseki JI7 May 2014 #73

That is probably payback for General Shinseki telling congress several thousand troops were needed FarCenter May 2014 #85

that's a stereotype CreekDog May 2014 #129

Not a stereotype; it is a fact FarCenter May 2014 #155

Some people just can't grasp the fact ..... oldhippie May 2014 #166

I am truly sorry that you even had to see this moronic OP. Number23 May 2014 #137

N'ah it's ok. Xyzse May 2014 #144

This WHOLE THING... AsahinaKimi May 2014 #380

Did for me for about a second before I shrugged, and... Xyzse May 2014 #439

I am late JustAnotherGen May 2014 #441

you seem to see yourself as a victim in everything , but i can see why, you are resentful of others JI7 May 2014 #30

Never about me. About the discussion The Straight Story May 2014 #37

there have been many threads about asians success but they rarely get many comments, yet you post JI7 May 2014 #38

I can agree that wealth/power is the biggest sort of privilege. Xyzse May 2014 #43

It's always about you MattBaggins May 2014 #57

it is about you, you posted it and you defended it as not racist CreekDog May 2014 #130

Exactly. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #300

So you reach down into the bowels of a racist website boston bean May 2014 #283

Not funny, not appropriate frazzled May 2014 #31

The "article" is patently stupid etherealtruth May 2014 #36

it's pretty clear when a person has a certain history JI7 May 2014 #39

Oh believe me, I am aware etherealtruth May 2014 #40

You've got to be kidding me. NuclearDem May 2014 #32

i think the OP identifies with the author , why else would he post something like this JI7 May 2014 #33

it is painfully obvious, isn't it? nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #81

Finally the truth of the matter exposed. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #301

this reminds me of republicans bringing up Al Sharpton and cases of black on white violence JI7 May 2014 #34

Didn't you hear-- Jamaal510 May 2014 #169

The results are in: 1000words May 2014 #35

Had the alerter walked the jury thru WHY the source was "disgusting" alp227 May 2014 #352

I did just that in the alert I sent, in fact Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #358

You don't seem to have much faith in your fellow DUers. 1000words May 2014 #369

That's a major flaw in the alert system. LAGC May 2014 #377

Agreed. The first alert is not always the most detailed/accurate one. PeaceNikki May 2014 #415

Just a few snippets from this disgusting article: NuclearDem May 2014 #41

Weird if you replaced Asian with white on all of those people would celebrate you here. dilby May 2014 #44

You're not supposed to notice things like that. badtoworse May 2014 #47

bs, nobody is claiming white privilege means every white person has it great in life JI7 May 2014 #48

Ah, the reverse racism card. NuclearDem May 2014 #52

I am a Jews so I can call it out. dilby May 2014 #54

Privilege has been defined constantly here. NuclearDem May 2014 #61

Ah yes the old everyone thinks that way so it has to be true. dilby May 2014 #64

Enough with the guilt already! badtoworse May 2014 #69

I am sorry is my Jewish privilege offending you? dilby May 2014 #76

Not at all. My wife is Jewish, so I understand guilt very well. badtoworse May 2014 #80

Wow, do you tell your wife enough with the guilt too? dilby May 2014 #84

It's a bit of a game. She tells me she has a black belt in guilt. badtoworse May 2014 #96

Sorry man, did not mean to come off hard. dilby May 2014 #107

No problem. This whole privilege theme has gotten heated at times. badtoworse May 2014 #140

This post and the author who did it do nothing to unify RainDog May 2014 #448

I'm Jewish too, so maybe that gives me the "privilege" to disagree with you Raksha May 2014 #329

+1 lunasun May 2014 #409

"Privilege is mostly about how other people perceive you." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #418

"arrogant Orientals"- and the hosts left this racist pile of shit standing. Feigning impotence again bettyellen May 2014 #165

Oh my Aerows May 2014 #45

Can't rec this. No offense. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #49

Hope this guys does not research us Jews. dilby May 2014 #50

Look at Jene Simmons. SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #63

Gene Simmons is not white. dilby May 2014 #68

This kinda sounds like what sterling said in his interviews AngryAmish May 2014 #99

Yeah except sterling is a racist, but according to DU he is a bigot. dilby May 2014 #102

To be fair, Jewish folks are shut out of important positions of power in the US. AngryAmish May 2014 #106

We are only 2% and yes we rise to the top. dilby May 2014 #109

Wonderful! I appreciate every word you have written. nilesobek May 2014 #223

Isn't Takimag a right wing Mag? etherealtruth May 2014 #55

It's pretty extremely right wing and very, very racist Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #58

WTF ... why is this trash allowed here? etherealtruth May 2014 #60

Because "community standards" redqueen May 2014 #71

The community standards accept sites on par with Stormfront etherealtruth May 2014 #75

Yep. Misogynist/MRA shit, racist shit... the two go hand in hand redqueen May 2014 #91

As are... opiate69 May 2014 #520

Taki Theodoracopulos is very RW LeftishBrit May 2014 #67

Quite odd ... I had to educate myself (with the help of other's/ thank you) about the site etherealtruth May 2014 #74

Steve Sailor and John Derbyshire have columns there AngryAmish May 2014 #98

Why the hell would a jury allow garbage from this site to be reposted here? etherealtruth May 2014 #108

Yes the source is not appropriate for DU MattBaggins May 2014 #134

That's the understatement of the decade LeftishBrit May 2014 #174

As this thread went on last night I further researched this hate site etherealtruth May 2014 #176

Gavin McInnes has written for VDARE too... SidDithers May 2014 #179

Racist drivel. morningfog May 2014 #56

I don't like hating on race, sex, and station, and I am learning that white trash like me Dragonfli May 2014 #59

+1000. But please don't go. nt. polly7 May 2014 #66

As a minority who represent 2% of this great Nation. please don't give up dilby May 2014 #93

*Of course* none of us "get unicorns and parades every time you wake up in the morning." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #423

Get it all out of your system, white dudes. Starry Messenger May 2014 #82

They are, indeed. 1000words May 2014 #100

pulling further back, we see how Asians weren't always a "model minority" MisterP May 2014 #83

OMG! I always thought of the Yellow Peril as movie trophe. That's disgusting! freshwest Jun 2014 #532

What were you reading that you ended up on that site? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #87

I notice a lot of people are attacking the messenger and not the message. dilby May 2014 #92

Would you say that about something from Rush Limbaugh? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #101

If Rush Limbaugh or David Duke said the sky was blue should I disagree? dilby May 2014 #103

If Rush Limbaugh said there's no such thing as white privilege muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #104

There is an old Jewish Proverb "A broken clock can be right twice a day" dilby May 2014 #105

I have a very sick feeling there are some that would applaud Rush ... etherealtruth May 2014 #111

Andrew Sullivan is a big fan of The Bell Curve Fumesucker May 2014 #115

I have no doubt that the same folk reccing this post love those posts, too etherealtruth May 2014 #116

Nope, actually it's just about the opposite Fumesucker May 2014 #118

Whew ... I thought the Bell Curve garbage had been lauded (here) etherealtruth May 2014 #124

Just out of curiosity... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #117

Either a source is "right wing" or it isn't Fumesucker May 2014 #126

Things generally aren't that clear-cut, though Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #127

you are equating posting something racist with something positive about Obama ? JI7 May 2014 #128

I wasn't comparing it Fumesucker May 2014 #133

most interactions people have will be with people who are not wealthy, and poor whites can be racist JI7 May 2014 #136

DU is a comedy act, at this point. 1000words May 2014 #145

Sullivan's racism is one of the main reasons why I don't care for him Chathamization May 2014 #474

Right wing messages from VERY right wing sites should be carefully considered and discussed, huh? etherealtruth May 2014 #112

yeah, that's my take away and if you don't carefully consider and discuss boston bean May 2014 #160

This is madness etherealtruth May 2014 #177

I'll admit swine may shit out a few pearls of wisdom, but this ain't one. n/t moriah May 2014 #157

If you can't make your point without resorting to posting from a known RW racist maddezmom May 2014 #97

Once the source was exposed the OP fled the thread MattBaggins May 2014 #143

Terrible article. bravenak May 2014 #113

My main issue with the article is that is boston bean May 2014 #114

It sucked all around. bravenak May 2014 #119

Yeah, it sure did suck all the way around. boston bean May 2014 #120

Me neither. bravenak May 2014 #122

Why are you posting the racist rantings of a racist here? CreekDog May 2014 #121

TOS violation, posting racist rantings of a racist CreekDog May 2014 #123

Even though this post survived a jury, remember your alerts still go to the Admins. Starry Messenger May 2014 #125

I never thought i would see the day where linking to a right wing hate site was acceptable etherealtruth May 2014 #131

I'm pretty stunned. Starry Messenger May 2014 #135

You know.. I have to say Texasgal May 2014 #132

i love the recommend list CreekDog May 2014 #139

Yeah, I saw it. Take a look at this lovely piece at the website: freshwest Jun 2014 #533

As an Asian American I will go on record: Asian privilege exists. alp227 May 2014 #141

I'll agree somewhat. It depends on the family and culture. IronLionZion May 2014 #163

There's so much subversive win in this thread 1000words May 2014 #142

Hey Straight, you buddies at talkmag.com are a bunch of bigots. U4ikLefty May 2014 #146

Seems like something a bunch of bigots would post and recommend. JTFrog May 2014 #308

Yep and not the first time for Straight lunasun May 2014 #405

this is the type of shit cheered on by racist wingnuts everywhere JI7 May 2014 #147

+100000 bettyellen May 2014 #162

I honestly don't know what's worse Number23 May 2014 #148

good question CreekDog May 2014 #150

is this racist site on your regular reading list? CreekDog May 2014 #149

Delete this racist bullshit post and article. boston bean May 2014 #151

Agree fully. These "privilege" threads are not at all helpful in working to end racism. Nye Bevan May 2014 #153

cute. but just give more insight into what you think. boston bean May 2014 #154

Yes, I know my position on the usefulness of the "privilege" threads has been a little unclear. Nye Bevan May 2014 #170

I thought you were "Done" and "Out" with post #24? snooper2 May 2014 #284

You have some sort of problem with my continuing posting against this racist bullshit? boston bean May 2014 #285

I just feel bad since you lied to us snooper2 May 2014 #287

I thought Asian Privilege meant they're all kung fu masters with giant robot battlesuits Orrex May 2014 #152

Why is this right wing racist trash allowed here? myrna minx May 2014 #156

Tiger mom's fault! mainer May 2014 #158

It's right wing satire muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #173

Come on guys, it's satire. mainer May 2014 #159

Thats what I got out of it also. Go Vols May 2014 #172

the link is not to satire. no evidence the OP thinks so either. bettyellen May 2014 #188

Any single white or Jewish or whatever women want to create super-privileged babies, IronLionZion May 2014 #164

What a fucking disgusting OP YoungDemCA May 2014 #171

Kick for exposure.... SidDithers May 2014 #178

Why on Earth would you post this garbage here? This is disgusting and has no business on this... hrmjustin May 2014 #180

I'd self delete this if I were you nt steve2470 May 2014 #181

Now that this is kicked, yet again, for all to see... I was hoping you'd delete it at some point ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #182

While I agree that the "privilege" threads, including this one, are unhelpful, Nye Bevan May 2014 #184

No it would not in this case unfortunately. We, as a group, are better than this. ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #185

The op should be told how hurtful and inappropriate it was to post this. hrmjustin May 2014 #186

it made it past the hosts because one held the vote hostage- asking for a lock elsewhere bettyellen May 2014 #187

Asking for a lock on what, exactly? That seems kind of relevant. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #189

GD hosts do not have authority to lock OPs based on sources. ucrdem May 2014 #190

TOS violation. Oh, but I forgot- you argued it wasn't racist at all. Thn you said it was equal to bettyellen May 2014 #199

Hosts are not admins and do not make TOS assessments. nt ucrdem May 2014 #201

You yourself was making that assesment of the Mobama thread you hated. There was no integrity in bettyellen May 2014 #209

Don't bullshit me. of course you do. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #208

No we really don't. I explained all this in a very nice OP that you can read in my journal. ucrdem May 2014 #214

Evasion of responsibility in a difficult situation? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #215

Pretending he could not vote otherwise while offering to change the vote for a gimme? bettyellen May 2014 #347

even after hearing about the extreme RW hate there, he argued it was satirical- does that make any bettyellen May 2014 #218

Rumors are fine but as a GD host I actually did due diligence. Did you? ucrdem May 2014 #219

host have discretion to do the right thing- you would have locked it if you had your way on another bettyellen May 2014 #220

We do not at present have the authority to lock either. I'm sorry. nt ucrdem May 2014 #222

sorry you did, you just ignored the evidence presented to you. boston bean May 2014 #290

No- you offered to vote lock as part of a "deal" - so obviously you knew you could lock it. bettyellen May 2014 #293

Actually, that isn't true, and you are spreading false tales about GD hosts. ucrdem May 2014 #302

you pretended your hands were tied, and brought that BS to GD. "I don't object to locking this one" bettyellen May 2014 #325

I also said we needed a consensus, which we did not and do not have. ucrdem May 2014 #327

You said a lot of embarrassing things, this OP was not racist, then it was.... bettyellen May 2014 #330

I thought you said you were done? ucrdem May 2014 #332

Transparency is good. bettyellen May 2014 #335

I bet you'd like it to disappear now. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #346

Oh, I'm sure you would. Starry Messenger May 2014 #353

today they made up a brand new reason why this should now be locked, LOL.... bettyellen May 2014 #440

Yes they do. You're absolutely wrong about this... SidDithers May 2014 #280

Not sure this is the same post but found this from Skinner maddezmom May 2014 #286

this is the one where he states it clearer boston bean May 2014 #289

There are half a dozen posts from SKinner where he says whatever the hosts decide- pretending they bettyellen May 2014 #294

And this one too... SidDithers May 2014 #312

That pertains to conspiracy theories. ucrdem May 2014 #319

But the sop says no conspiracy theories pintobean May 2014 #321

yeah, the lovely explaination we were treated to about the process hosts use? Complete BS. bettyellen May 2014 #193

That isn't true. A jury left this OP 5-2 and hosts have no authority to lock ad libidem. ucrdem May 2014 #198

TOS violations are lockable if the host want to. Skinner is clear on that. You tried to swap votes bettyellen May 2014 #204

Not in DU3. Here's what Skinner said in ATA on Monday of this week: ucrdem May 2014 #207

Unreliable Site= RW Racist Hate Site? On what planet? bettyellen May 2014 #212

That doesn't speak to TOS violations, but to "unreliable sources". Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #217

GD hosts have one task: to lock OPs that violate GD SOP. Period. ucrdem May 2014 #221

curious what you know about mods? you joined DU almost 2 years after the mod system CreekDog May 2014 #234

You've been advocating locking threads because you don't like the freaking "tone" or the way an Warren Stupidity May 2014 #245

he offered to vote lock on THIS THREAD, and that is why his exlaination does not fly.... bettyellen May 2014 #295

I made no such offer to lock this thread and you should continue this in the host's forum. nt ucrdem May 2014 #305

hide the truth and peddle some "message from hosts forum" NO. here is your post: bettyellen May 2014 #309

I made no mention of changing my vote ucrdem May 2014 #316

wow. So you stirred shit up in gd and then complain that people are responding in gd? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #318

You know Warren, in Skinner's advice to hosts he asks that they act in good faith: ucrdem May 2014 #322

I think you have been getting a bit of feedback that your recent actions have not Warren Stupidity May 2014 #351

That's not true at all. There were four votes to leave... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #191

The last tally before the OP self-deleted was 6-4 leave. ucrdem May 2014 #192

you offered to change your vote to get a lock elsewhere. is that the "process" you explained to DU? bettyellen May 2014 #194

One vote either way would not have achieved consensus to lock ucrdem May 2014 #195

oh, here is the vote trader explining the rules of hosting again. how'd that work last time? bettyellen May 2014 #206

Yeah, that sounds about right... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #197

Thank you for pointing that out. ucrdem May 2014 #200

No worries. And thank you... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #213

It is a TOS violation, but said host did offer to change his vote, if someone would lock something bettyellen May 2014 #203

Juries enforce the DU TOS, not forum hosts. Lasher May 2014 #225

no that's wrong, juries do not enforce the TOS CreekDog May 2014 #233

If Admins and MIRT enforce the TOS, that doesn't go to say juries do not. Lasher May 2014 #239

So, the SOP must say no racist posts from racist websites before a host could lock? boston bean May 2014 #255

that so many host were absent is a real shame, but that vote was held hostage for a Mobama lock... bettyellen May 2014 #196

It was about the same number of GD hosts as for most other alerts... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #202

I am sorry, but one host was not acting on good faith with the horse trading BS.... bettyellen May 2014 #205

There's been plenty of attempts to horse-trade in the past. Violet_Crumble May 2014 #210

Sorry, the results of decison like this obviously matter very much to many of us here at DU bettyellen May 2014 #216

It matters very much to me too, and I say the thread stands. Lasher May 2014 #226

So you think an OP citing a racist, right-wing site is appropriate for GD then? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #228

I think it's very clear. pintobean May 2014 #229

The community, in this case, is wrong. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #230

Well, it's not the job of hosts pintobean May 2014 #235

if hosts pretend they can't vote lock, when offering to do so.... bettyellen May 2014 #313

yes it violates the SOP, linking to racist drivel from hate sites by hate authors is not in the SOP CreekDog May 2014 #231

Two and a half years of this system pintobean May 2014 #237

I always understood that GD hosts could only lock threads for SOP violations, Nye Bevan May 2014 #241

you complain about OP's, posts and threads all the time CreekDog May 2014 #247

Your replies have nothing to do pintobean May 2014 #248

What are your reasons for recommending the OP? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #297

To be clear, Lasher has recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #296

I caught that. Some think RW racist libertarian nuttery is perfectly fine for GD.... bettyellen May 2014 #326

Maybe you'd like to know my reasoning for recommending this thread. Lasher May 2014 #479

however if the word "gun" appeared you would have voted to lock it, post haste CreekDog May 2014 #232

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the word "gun" appear in the GD SOP, Nye Bevan May 2014 #243

Does it really need to be spelled out that racist threads are not allowed in GD? I don't get this seaglass May 2014 #249

Isn't it up to juries, as opposed to hosts, Nye Bevan May 2014 #251

Yes, if we could be assured that jurors were not racists or incredibly stupid. Since we can't, seaglass May 2014 #253

Considering his responses upthread, it appears he agreed with the OP. boston bean May 2014 #254

Are you referring to post 153 where I agreed with you that this thread should be deleted? Nye Bevan May 2014 #258

I'm referring to all of your postings throughout the thread. boston bean May 2014 #259

I've consistently stated that this thread is unhelpful, Nye Bevan May 2014 #262

People only need to read your postings in this thread here to come to a conclusion of what it is you boston bean May 2014 #263

I don't even recall using the phrase "white privilege" anywhere in this thread (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #265

ok boston bean May 2014 #267

Wait.... so that's me "agreeing" with the OP? Nye Bevan May 2014 #270

Yeah the posting is bizarre and difficult to follow, but let me help boston bean May 2014 #271

In DU3 the admins generally defer to jury decisions. Nye Bevan May 2014 #256

Hosting duties and jury duties are two different things. boston bean May 2014 #257

Am I wrong in my understanding that the GD hosts are there to enforce the GD SOP, Nye Bevan May 2014 #261

Yeah right. That's why jurors feel free to personally attack alerters and the subjects of alerts, seaglass May 2014 #260

Obviously the hosts (or anyone else) can bring a post to the admins' attention, Nye Bevan May 2014 #264

I guess we are back full circle then. Does it need to be spelled out in the SOP that racist posts seaglass May 2014 #268

Why did the admins choose not to insert such language in the GD SOP? Nye Bevan May 2014 #269

Maybe they thought hosts would use their common sense? Did you see anything about homophobic seaglass May 2014 #274

If so, there would be language in the SOP about hosts "using their common sense". Nye Bevan May 2014 #275

This post was alerted and barely survived (3-4). Jim Lane May 2014 #278

Thanks for your feedback, you are correct, it was unnecessarily rude. n/t seaglass May 2014 #281

No where in the SOP does it say boston bean May 2014 #252

And you are in the small minority that reccd this piece of shit. Good for you. bettyellen May 2014 #328

The persons acting unprofessionally in that discussion were the non-GD hosts. nt ucrdem May 2014 #211

professional = pretending your hands were tied? They certainly were not. bettyellen May 2014 #336

I am not sure of that - it appears that rightly or wrongly, hosts don't feel entitled to lock LeftishBrit May 2014 #238

I wish you hadn't done that, LB... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #242

Part of being a host is refraining from locking posts that do not violate the SOP of the forum, Nye Bevan May 2014 #273

part of it is not "acting like a robot" to only enforce the SOP........... bettyellen May 2014 #461

That's basically saying pintobean May 2014 #465

No, it specifically says to think of MORE than SOP: "consider the Statement of Purpose, but also.... bettyellen May 2014 #466

From the beginning of DU3 pintobean May 2014 #467

If only we haven't seen many hosts disagree, and Skinner say otherwise, I might believe you... bettyellen May 2014 #477

the host we are discussing happily offered to vote lock- if they could trade lock votes on another bettyellen May 2014 #298

As a matter a fact that claim is not true. ucrdem May 2014 #304

here is your post saying you'd not object locking this thread. Please stop with this "hands tied" BS bettyellen May 2014 #307

My vote was WSC from the start and I made no offer to change my vote. ucrdem May 2014 #310

transparency sucks for some people, huh? you refused to lock, but offered a trade. bettyellen May 2014 #315

Actually it's useful in discrediting your efforts to spread false tales about GD hosts so thanks. ucrdem May 2014 #317

what is discredited is the notion you believed your hands were tied here. bettyellen May 2014 #320

No - not so. It wasn't a matter of one vote. LeftishBrit May 2014 #240

Understood. The problem is other hosts pretending their hands are tied when clearly they are not. bettyellen May 2014 #323

Poster has run away... alp227 May 2014 #342

Satire? taught_me_patience May 2014 #183

No, Gavin McInnes. The guy used to be fairly amusing back when he ran Vice, but more recently nomorenomore08 May 2014 #227

For the first few sentences madaboutharry May 2014 #236

"lifted out of this disadvantage within a generation" dipsydoodle May 2014 #244

Yet in the last paragraph in the OP he names 2 Asians and uses the outdated term maddezmom May 2014 #246

For offensiveness nothing really beats dipsydoodle May 2014 #250

oriental is considered offensive in the US when it's used to describe a person , but not if it's JI7 May 2014 #354

damn, 19 recs so far on this racist piece of shit article. m-lekktor May 2014 #272

This racist OP hasn't been hidden yet? octoberlib May 2014 #276

This racist crap survived a jury. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #279

If this was an attempt at humor, it failed miserably. Jamastiene May 2014 #277

If this OP is racist, I would expect that someone would lay down a logical argument debunking it. badtoworse May 2014 #291

Smearing all members of a particular race based upon their purported "privilege" Nye Bevan May 2014 #292

Shouldn't that standard be applied equally to Whites and Asians alike? badtoworse May 2014 #303

That's certainly an interesting point that you raise there (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #306

I thought I did. There was no response from the poster on the items I have mentioned. Xyzse May 2014 #314

You didn't deal with the racist issue and on balance, I think you supported the OP's argument. badtoworse May 2014 #337

Expectation of excellence is a two edged sword Xyzse May 2014 #340

I can't disagree with what you are saying. badtoworse May 2014 #341

Yes Xyzse May 2014 #345

"it is mostly the term for the baseline that people want to be treated." badtoworse May 2014 #349

It's called benevolent racism. nt redqueen May 2014 #343

The article implies that blacks aren't as successful as Asians and whites octoberlib May 2014 #324

I don't believe the article dealt with blacks at all. badtoworse May 2014 #334

Of course it does etherealtruth May 2014 #383

Here's why it's racist: muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #375

muriel could you say a little more about the documentation you mention in your first para? ucrdem May 2014 #376

The Taki magazine article that got Derbyshire fired from National Review muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #379

I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to compile all of that. Starry Messenger May 2014 #420

Thanks muriel, ucrdem May 2014 #426

The article is satire to highlight the double standard being applied in respect of "white privilege" badtoworse May 2014 #442

It demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the term RainDog May 2014 #449

I'm well aware of what the term means badtoworse May 2014 #469

I don't think it has an obvious agenda RainDog May 2014 #481

Would you have felt better if the OP had plagiarized the article instead of citing it? badtoworse May 2014 #500

wut? RainDog May 2014 #513

Stereotypes do not have merit. badtoworse May 2014 #516

This is where we disagree RainDog May 2014 #519

I can't disagree with this post; it's reasonable. badtoworse May 2014 #521

What happened to "white dudes?" KansDem May 2014 #331

Miss Delaware did porn? Doctor_J May 2014 #333

Sad. :( bravenak May 2014 #338

I am curious as to where the admins are on this. I know it got many alerts and emails from hosts bettyellen May 2014 #339

"hosts who did not pretend to have their hands tied" ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #348

I think you did a great job and showed a great deal of integrity and respect for Du and Duers. bettyellen May 2014 #350

Why hasn't Skinner locked this thread? Nye Bevan May 2014 #416

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste May 2014 #344

kicking because this should stay on page one. bettyellen May 2014 #359

I guess you didn't pintobean May 2014 #361

I think everyone needs to be reminded what they have allowed here. bettyellen May 2014 #363

yeah, if he likes it so much, he shouldn't worry about who's kicking something he rec's. boston bean May 2014 #364

I am kicking it twice a day, every day. bettyellen May 2014 #365

I had figured that out for myself. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #366

Why should we pretend we are better than this anymore? I hope a few people are proud of themselves. bettyellen May 2014 #367

Well, you know what they say about people who can't stand the heat. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #370

Why don't you reply to Post 291? badtoworse May 2014 #371

oh dear. i am sorry you have no ability to discern racism when you see it. most of us here do. bettyellen May 2014 #372

LOL. Exactly the sort of response I was expecting. badtoworse May 2014 #374

It's unfortunate for you that you think the racism there is debatable bettyellen May 2014 #396

Here: Bobbie Jo May 2014 #381

Who's worried? pintobean May 2014 #368

why did you rec it- what appealed to you most? bettyellen May 2014 #373

Please tell me this is a joke? yuiyoshida May 2014 #378

It's the right wing's idea of a joke muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #382

I noticed... yuiyoshida May 2014 #386

I don't think the article is supposed to be a joke, but... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #384

Why is it yuiyoshida May 2014 #385

Context has a lot to do with it... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #388

The context of the article is a libertarian magazine that regularly runs racist pieces muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #392

I meant the context here on DU... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #394

Can you be clearer on what you are calling 'nasty'? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #387

And for the number of responses and hopefully recommends, everyone knows that's a main goal. n/t seaglass May 2014 #390

Could be. I have no idea... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #391

So now you are pro-troll? Including right wing trolls? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #393

Are you replying to my post? I said... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #395

"Truth is, it was just some excellent trolling" muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #397

I'm not ignoring a damn thing... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #399

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #400

Congrats! You made the 400th post on this silly thread. TreasonousBastard May 2014 #401

Just wow. Katashi_itto May 2014 #398

Wow, 400 responses. Then again, it is noteworthy that open racism has finally arrived at DU. DanTex May 2014 #402

noteworthy DU says Leave it up too lunasun May 2014 #410

*facepalm*. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #419

CHING CHONG LING LONG Generic Other May 2014 #403

The sad thing is... LAGC May 2014 #404

If he stands by his post, is self-delete really a "courageous" thing to do? Nye Bevan May 2014 #408

We've seen this many times before pintobean May 2014 #411

It's always courageous to admit to being wrong on occasion. LAGC May 2014 #412

This post was alerted bobduca May 2014 #407

lots of alerts on this thread. bettyellen May 2014 #417

Yeah, alert on the one Asian who posted on this thread Generic Other May 2014 #424

I was alerted for revealing what excuses a host was making to defend this thread bettyellen May 2014 #425

Thanks for warning me Generic Other May 2014 #427

Oh, then you probably missed the thread "from the hosts" that wasn't, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #430

did you see that host was advocating for this to be locked today? PeaceNikki May 2014 #431

It is theater, a CYA because they didn't think this OP was racist at all initially..... bettyellen May 2014 #432

s/he started a new thread about it. PeaceNikki May 2014 #433

Oh jeeze, Nikki. That is hilarious! bettyellen May 2014 #434

He/she has found a reason to lock it now. boston bean May 2014 #435

ha ha bullshit reason- it's because the secrets of the bettyellen May 2014 #436

Let me make sure I understand... DURHAM D May 2014 #437

no, I discussed it here in a subthread........... bettyellen May 2014 #438

You do realize that aside from the Illegals crossing the desert Southwest Demeter May 2014 #406

Ignorant Bullshit lunasun May 2014 #413

+1 i noticed bravenak May 2014 #414

WTF was this about? nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #422

Decent post. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #421

I Cannot Believe You Found a Way` On the Road May 2014 #429

Actually, imo, he violated more than one provision of TOS with this post RainDog May 2014 #443

this thread has been interesting alright, but not for the reason you think. bettyellen May 2014 #444

+1 redqueen May 2014 #446

seriously, either we have a TOS or do not. Right now, I would say we have lost our way. bettyellen May 2014 #450

What we have is a pretty in-your-face example of what community standards really are redqueen May 2014 #451

I think it sort of mirrors what is happening in this country though- people actually embrace liberal bettyellen May 2014 #459

Ignoring the massive amounts of idiocy in the article Taitertots May 2014 #445

I think it really is time to self delete this thing. hrmjustin May 2014 #447

He's too busy over at the Discussionist bashing DU/DUers to come back and self-delete. n/t seaglass May 2014 #452

I wonder if he'll keep harping on this with his ersatz wit, redqueen May 2014 #453

Got any links pintobean May 2014 #454

Not guessing at all, he's very obvious. You don't think you can tell who someone is by his/her seaglass May 2014 #455

No, that's guessing. pintobean May 2014 #456

Nope I'm not guessing, I'm certain. n/t seaglass May 2014 #457

Yep. I knew it was him after a few OPs over there. NuclearDem May 2014 #458

Nazis, sex toy lawsuits, and starving dogs? bettyellen May 2014 #460

A link just for you pintobean - and again, it was never a guess. seaglass May 2014 #529

oh. I have not figured out who is who yet but I thiink I prefer DU. hrmjustin May 2014 #462

Me too. :-) n/t seaglass May 2014 #463

Loo I posted a bit there but I don't care for arguing with them. hrmjustin May 2014 #464

Transparency: a memo (mine) from the host's forum: ucrdem May 2014 #468

Again, you're wrong about this... SidDithers May 2014 #471

He/She leaves out some very important information, doesn't they? boston bean May 2014 #472

hustling for a lock on the Flotus attack thread, whining about Greenwald being as racist as this OP bettyellen May 2014 #480

That is exactly what happened here. Many past and future hosts disagreed with this decision- it bettyellen May 2014 #475

So it's dysfunctional if it doesn't work IAW your preferences. kristopher May 2014 #482

In this case, it didn't work - not b/c of preferences RainDog May 2014 #485

What you don't seem to be able to accept is that people who are LIBERAL and NOT RACIST... kristopher May 2014 #489

I'm not a long term host RainDog May 2014 #491

"a violation of the stated purpose of this site" = TOS = Admin action kristopher May 2014 #492

it violates the SOP of the forum RainDog May 2014 #493

That is nothing but your personal opinion and view of censorship kristopher May 2014 #494

Thanks for the pleasant discussion RainDog May 2014 #495

No, it's not just her personal view. DU has censorship, period. CreekDog May 2014 #530

Censorship is part of the Hosting gig... SidDithers May 2014 #486

If that's what you think censorship is, you are the one that's misplaced. kristopher May 2014 #487

Are you advocating that all sources should be acceptable at DU?... SidDithers May 2014 #488

Why don't you try to get skinner to bring back the banned list and see what he says? kristopher May 2014 #490

You were hustling for locks of a thread insulting FLOTUS, so your excuse is not cutting it. As other bettyellen May 2014 #476

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers May 2014 #470

Good god almighty. What a clusterf*ck. A few notes if I may The Straight Story May 2014 #496

Right wing hate sites are not appropriate to provide content on DU. RainDog May 2014 #497

"easier to bury things we don't like than to confront them." badtoworse May 2014 #498

let's ignore that dozens here confronted the OP for posting racist twaddle, okay... bettyellen May 2014 #499

Therein lies the source of outrage. Lasher May 2014 #527

you used DU to spread hostility towards Asians CreekDog May 2014 #502

I totally agree that "privilege" threads that single out particular races in a negative manner Nye Bevan May 2014 #504

Do you honestly believe the point of the OP was to spread hostility towards Asians? badtoworse May 2014 #505

I think it's all about pintobean May 2014 #507

Certainly, the mystique and majesty of the Hosts has taken a hit with this thread. Nye Bevan May 2014 #503

It would seem Skinner chose to let the OP wear this thread around his neck. Ikonoklast May 2014 #506

Unbelievable. NuclearDem May 2014 #509

+1 n/t JTFrog May 2014 #510

+1000 Starry Messenger May 2014 #514

There's no harm in a conciliatory gesture. ucrdem May 2014 #512

The anger, the meta host controversy...the confusion...This *may* be the thread that broke DU! Romulox May 2014 #501

I assume the article was written at least somewhat tongue in cheek KamaAina May 2014 #508

Glenn Greenwald and "TakiMag person Gavin McInnes" appear on May 13 Fox Business show ucrdem May 2014 #511

Greenwald again? Why did you bring him up in the hosts thread again? bettyellen May 2014 #523

shame kick. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #515

thanks... ukashkartim May 2014 #517

Welcome to DU, ukashkartim. n/t FSogol May 2014 #522

As an Asian from Hawaii, I happen to think it's satire mainer May 2014 #524

Frank DeLima and his ethnic humor mainer May 2014 #525

This message was self-deleted by its author bravenak May 2014 #526

ROFLMAO McCamy Taylor May 2014 #528

I'm trying to figure out how this thread is still allowed to remain open. It is the most racist shit Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #531

No, Idea... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #534