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mopinko

(70,090 posts)
17. dont put words in my mouth, please.
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:05 AM
May 2014

i realize i tend to see these stories from a different angle from most here, and some insist it is some sort of denial of them/their experience.
that is not the point.
there is bullying and there is the impact of bullying. it is not a one for one thing. some kids laugh it off. others bring a gun.

usually the difference between those ends of the question is the mental resilience of the kid in question.
i'm not saying there was anything bad about his working situation, except that, well, they didnt seem to know what was going on, AND the boy killed himself. usually an indicator of failure on multiple levels.

BESIDES working against bullying, we also need to take mental health and emotional development more seriously, especially for adolescents.

and sleep is a MAJOR issue for kids today. major. if he had to drive back and forth to the place with the folks, he was likely there some long hours. missing his chance to catch up from the week. not saying did, saying if.
sleep depravation is THE most treatable cause of depression, and is important for overall health and development also. ask anyone on here who got a cpap and was finally able to sleep how much of a difference it makes on your mental health.

sleep deprivation is rampant with kids. if we were more aware of it, perhaps actually linking the end result with the cause from time to time, maybe we could fix this.
change the start time for the school day. stroke of a pen, some readjustments for the grown ups, and schools could be more in sync with the well research biorhythms of the children they are supposed to be serving. boom. healthier, happier, more readier to learn, more emotionally stable. schools that have tried it have had amazing results.

i know about this from some hard fought shit.
guess that's how you end up on a mission to raise awareness.

I often wonder how many more are like him, on the edge, because in our RKP5637 May 2014 #1
In our society bullies are called Reverend and Holy Father and lauded as heroes Bluenorthwest May 2014 #5
Our society accepts bullies, even promotes them. In my experience many bosses get promoted because rhett o rick May 2014 #32
A lot more than anyone thinks. geomon666 May 2014 #21
Amen to that. Mbrow May 2014 #25
Welcome to DU, Mbrow! calimary May 2014 #35
Thanks, I've been here awhile, Mbrow May 2014 #37
When I was a teenager I sat down one day and thought about did I want to try to be RKP5637 May 2014 #28
I couldn't have said it better myself. geomon666 May 2014 #40
"with a gun he smuggled in from home" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #2
we're not allowed to talk about that though. it's never, ever Teh Gun. nt xchrom May 2014 #3
got that right.. daleanime May 2014 #16
yeah but then he would've just smuggled a knife yodermon May 2014 #34
how many hours was he working? mopinko May 2014 #4
He worked on the weekends theHandpuppet May 2014 #6
Not unusual at all - TBF May 2014 #7
Had to to be the hours at the restaurant, not the continuing bullying. How did the school .... marble falls May 2014 #8
dont put words in my mouth, please. mopinko May 2014 #17
The issue here is not sleep deprivation. The issue here physical, verbal and psychological abuse.... marble falls May 2014 #19
I think the issues are many and interrelated elias7 May 2014 #29
fyi... I was really angry and bitter about the years I was forced to work at my parents' business ecstatic May 2014 #43
"usually an indicator of failure on multiple levels." Blue Diadem May 2014 #44
Whatever it was it wasn't the bullying, right? marble falls May 2014 #9
Bullying doesn't cause kids to commit murder phil89 May 2014 #52
Both of my kids started regularly working our small family business when the were 12 riderinthestorm May 2014 #13
What does sleep have to do with getting bullied? Starry Messenger May 2014 #14
Just about every person I know with mental health problems have sleep problems. Neoma May 2014 #24
I don't see anything in the article that would indicate that the boy had sleep problems Starry Messenger May 2014 #33
The only reason I think he could have become sick is because he was a victim of bullying. Neoma May 2014 #36
I'm going to savor this moment. Jamastiene May 2014 #49
He'd recently seen a psychiatrist and was prescribed Prozac just a few days before. Blue Diadem May 2014 #55
My 12 year old, is dealing with the bulling in school, and the school doesn't help Heather MC May 2014 #10
Self defense SallyAnn May 2014 #11
And lets' not forget this, either... theHandpuppet May 2014 #12
+100000. We can't ignore the part homophobia played in this tragedy riderinthestorm May 2014 #15
I told the VP if my son is going to get in trouble anyway, I Heather MC May 2014 #46
Its important to teach our children that they are worth defending aikoaiko May 2014 #22
Thanks, you have to fight for your children, and they need to know Heather MC May 2014 #48
I would be worried if your son didn't fight back LittleBlue May 2014 #23
Exactly, they honestly expect the good kids to stand there and take it. Heather MC May 2014 #47
The "Zero Tolerance" policy is an excuse so that school adminstrators do not have to stop bullying. greatlaurel May 2014 #18
We're not going to change human nature, but... Smarmie Doofus May 2014 #20
School officials had to know he was bullied HelenWheels May 2014 #26
When my son was bullied in 7th grade, I assured the school that I was tblue37 May 2014 #31
There's a lot of variance out there. Blue_Adept May 2014 #45
I think the arrangement you describe makes much more sense, because tblue37 May 2014 #50
Agreed on all counts Blue_Adept May 2014 #51
When our city went to a 4-grade high school after having been 3 grades forever, tblue37 May 2014 #53
"Ain't you tired, Bully, ain't you tired?" chervilant May 2014 #27
I think kids now have a script in their head, due to so many school shootings. This seed is planted Pisces May 2014 #30
Poor little thing.. :( Cha May 2014 #38
Today's bullies = tomorrow's Republicans Initech May 2014 #39
Yep, that's it in a nutshell, born and bred to bully. Sadly in the US there are lots of RKP5637 May 2014 #41
Homophobia is a joke to some and not relevant for discussion. Behind the Aegis May 2014 #42
I was bullied, until I totally lost my shit and hit back. riqster May 2014 #54
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