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In reply to the discussion: Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies. [View all]blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)103. Once everything good has finally been taken out of ObamaCare, all that'll be left is the TAX.
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Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies. [View all]
woo me with science
May 2014
OP
It's often extremely depressing, with corporate-purchased government,
woo me with science
May 2014
#2
But we don't have single payer right now. We have a system under which the hospitals
pnwmom
May 2014
#3
The pressure won't fall on the hospitals to cut costs as much as it will on individuals to pay up
Fumesucker
May 2014
#6
I'm talking about the price a hospital will charge for a standard screening colonoscopy.
pnwmom
May 2014
#69
Hers isn't labeled (or charged) any differently than a standard screening colonoscopy
Ms. Toad
May 2014
#73
Would it be possible to develop a system that assigned patients like your daughter
pnwmom
May 2014
#74
+10000000. Note the blatantly false implications being offered in defense of this assault:
woo me with science
May 2014
#84
All DUers are not progressives; and neither all DUers nor all progressives always assume the worst.
merrily
May 2014
#124
Again, if no one understand the ramifications of this, why take any position at all?
merrily
May 2014
#126
I'm not saying that it's impossible to understand. I'm saying that this one Common Dreams
pnwmom
May 2014
#127
You said we can't understand it without more info. Whose fault is it that we don't have more info?
merrily
May 2014
#128
Heroic try, but no, it's not my fault that the Admin did not inform Americans.
merrily
May 2014
#133
Again that was not my question, but since you moved the goalpost to the future--
merrily
May 2014
#136
This isn't a decision written in stone. It's a preliminary decision in an ongoing situation
pnwmom
May 2014
#139
What do you mean by "oppens the door?" They have been setting prices all along nt
kelliekat44
May 2014
#138
No, we don't have single payer, but what does that have to do with the waiver publicized in the OP
merrily
May 2014
#116
I think the waiver might possibly have been intended to let companies selling to individuals
pnwmom
May 2014
#117
First, so? ACA changed what large group insurers have always been doing and that is exactly
merrily
May 2014
#118
"We have a system in which hospitals can charge anything they want ..." is laughably wrong.
Scuba
May 2014
#149
Some hospitals charge ten times as much as others for a colonoscopy in the same city.
pnwmom
May 2014
#154
It doesn't matter what they charge - at least to Medicare, Medicaid and insurance companies...
Scuba
May 2014
#155
If that is already the case, then why the uproar here over the "new" regulation? n/t
pnwmom
May 2014
#189
& give big crapsurance enough $$$ to lobby away any real reform in the ACA.
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#223
Ding ding ding! Exactly! They'll take their mandated trillions and 'lobby' away any good reforms.
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#112
Well, your superbly crafted argument has certainly quelled all of MY concerns. [n/t]
Maedhros
May 2014
#188
He probably would have got me but I was paying attention during the FISA vote
Fumesucker
May 2014
#8
I'm not so sure the DC DEMS want to win in Nov. More DEMS could make "bi-partisanship" a harder sell
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#100
I'm not sure this is bad if one is interested in reducing cost. Canada has used it
Hoyt
May 2014
#10
Consumer choice in medical care is a myth. An illusion. Try to find the price of an MRI from your
Ed Suspicious
May 2014
#20
It is really so much simpler than that. You guys are really making this more difficult than it is.
Hoyt
May 2014
#43
You don't have to shop around, your insurance company will tell you closest hospital that meets
Hoyt
May 2014
#203
No, it's different because you'll have the tools to avoid paying extra out-of-pocket if you take
Hoyt
May 2014
#50
Yes, we need Single Payer and corporate money out. How are YOU going to make that happen?
RBInMaine
May 2014
#13
It's more likely the employer in short run, and society in long run, will benefit.
Hoyt
May 2014
#27
"ObamaCare" was originally a Republican-hatched WET DREAM out of the Heritage Foundation, circa
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#102
And for a great long time. Some seem to think the shame all starts with this President. n/t
Whisp
May 2014
#206
Q2, Q3, & Q4 are all listed under Limitations on Cost-Sharing under the Affordable Care Act
krawhitham
May 2014
#41
CalPERS has been using reference pricing for several years. Emergencies don't fall under RPricing.
Hoyt
May 2014
#56
I feel your pain. It's a disgusting system designed to confuse. The consumer was never meant to
Ed Suspicious
May 2014
#25
Once everything good has finally been taken out of ObamaCare, all that'll be left is the TAX.
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#103
How come the Obama can never do wrong crowd are always absent from these threads
oneofthe99
May 2014
#37
Michelle Obama is an intelligent caring woman who is the First Lady of the United States
Cha
May 2014
#92
Actually, like most of these Obama-is-out-to-screw-us-threads, those in the "know" come along later.
Hoyt
May 2014
#59
Have you researched this issue, or are you just going along with the he's-screwed-us-again-crowd?
Hoyt
May 2014
#202
So this is where the Obama Can Do No Right crowd is? No wonder the other thread
Number23
May 2014
#79
"Obamacare saved consumers billions, new report finds" which doesn't interest those
Cha
May 2014
#97
Well, they've rallied up the Truthiness Crew and the recs are a'pouring in now!
Number23
May 2014
#119
Administration sock-puppets to explain how down is up in 3 - 2 - 1 ...
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#105
The propaganda brigade typically ignores OP's about Democratic betrayals until about 35-40 recs,
woo me with science
May 2014
#78
This is how it already is with private insurance. Indeed, they can decide after the surgery to pay
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#39
Yes, private insurance sucks. We know that. That's why making them a permanent part of
Doctor_J
May 2014
#49
Another transfer of cost and pain from corporations to ordinary people.
woo me with science
May 2014
#83
Why read anything when you can just label EVERYTHING that disagrees with your ill informed
Number23
May 2014
#80
Obama doesn't care. He seems to be campaigning for a Republican congress anyway
Doctor_J
May 2014
#63
I suspect that's exactly what they are doing. It's worth reposting this:
woo me with science
May 2014
#81
It's even simpler than that: Dems are fine losing midterms so they can use repuke congress as a Foil
yodermon
May 2014
#177
Actually...this thread has not only been debunked, it's now great flypaper for determining
msanthrope
May 2014
#187
The insurance racket is now a partner with government and is too big to fail.
Jesus Malverde
May 2014
#88
If the insurer pays $1000 less for a procedure, $800 goes to the policyholders
bornskeptic
May 2014
#205
This regulation change applies to even private employer insurance, not sure what the government
Jesus Malverde
May 2014
#217
This seems to be part of the plan. It's not a "mistake," or 11-dimensional chess. It's something
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#94
Why the outrage at the insurance companies? The Obama admin did this. The ACA did this.
Skip Intro
May 2014
#95
With emergency surgery, no time to check out prices. This is indefensible.
madfloridian
May 2014
#141
The subsidies are paid by taxpayers to the corporate profitmongers.
woo me with science
May 2014
#148
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
May 2014
#153
Some people think attacking these reforms will somehow bring us single payer
IronLionZion
May 2014
#168
This is horrifying, and the article clearly states that it applies in-network.
woo me with science
May 2014
#191
The ACA is emblematic of the failings of the Democratic Party on a wider scale.
Maedhros
May 2014
#197
This is all alarmist conjecture, and is really no different than the way the system is now.
cbdo2007
May 2014
#174
Obamacare both guarantees 20% margins to the for-profit insurers AND $2500 savings to each American.
Romulox
May 2014
#183
No it requires that 80% be paid out for care or paid back to the customer.
IronLionZion
May 2014
#198
Yes, this has been extensively discussed here. They have *guaranteed* their obscene profits
woo me with science
May 2014
#219
"has no intention of renewing (the state single payer waiver) for legislation after 2016."
woo me with science
May 2014
#213