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In reply to the discussion: Whether some DUers like him or not [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)5. Completely
"Edward Snowden blew the whistle on some seriously illegal practices by the NSA and the government of the USA. "
...disagree. Even in his interview, Snowden could not produce any examples of anything "illegal." His own lawyers recognize that he has no standing in that regard.
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Snowden supporters and advisers say Clinton's remarks were unrealistic and reflect several factual misunderstandings about his predicament. They say he could not have availed himself of whistleblower protections because he was not a government employee (he worked for contractor Booz Allen) and his claims would not have been viewed as exposing any impropriety because authorities in all three branches of government had blessed the NSA telephone program as legal. A federal judge not privy to the program before the leaks later ruled it unconstitutional, but that decision is on appeal.
Snowden supporters and advisers say Clinton's remarks were unrealistic and reflect several factual misunderstandings about his predicament. They say he could not have availed himself of whistleblower protections because he was not a government employee (he worked for contractor Booz Allen) and his claims would not have been viewed as exposing any impropriety because authorities in all three branches of government had blessed the NSA telephone program as legal. A federal judge not privy to the program before the leaks later ruled it unconstitutional, but that decision is on appeal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024871696
During the interview, Snowden sounded like an idiot and most of his claims were absurd. In fact, he dug himself into a deeper hole with that interview. I mean, the fool admitted, in his own words, that he took damaging information and distributed it and the only thing he has as a defense is that the recipients promised not to reveal the information.
9) Snowden didnt deny turning over secrets that would be damaging or harmful. He only said journalists have a deal with him not to do it. Just a reminder: we really have no idea how many reporters or organizations have copies of the documents or the total number of documents (its a Greenwald/Snowden secret), but we do know that Snowden documents have been reported by so many publications that the question arises: who doesnt have Snowden documents?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025017514
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here you go pro. i almost never come into your threads. but, here is the jury. and
seabeyond
May 2014
#78
Writers often get paid by the word, 5 to 10 cents is common. If I were to be paid to write
A Simple Game
May 2014
#47
Did you just compare spying to what African Americans endured prior to the Civil Rights Act?
stevenleser
May 2014
#92
You make this out to be too much about the person. Just a distraction from the real wrong that is
gtar100
May 2014
#166
Maybe so (on all your assertions) , but Drake didn't have the impact Snowden has.
gtar100
May 2014
#171
perhaps this is an example of the yawning black hole between legal and ethical
azurnoir
May 2014
#25
p.s. what Senator Rand Paul (R, KY) tells CNN's Wolf Blitzer can be safely ignored. nt
ucrdem
May 2014
#77
No, that's saying "people who mention information" are not "contacts overseas"
muriel_volestrangler
May 2014
#120
why go the route of personally insulting and judging...is that how "mature" people do things?
Sheepshank
May 2014
#157
The "he did it so I can do it" rational is childish. That's not an insult.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#160
I dont like it when conservatives pretend to be liberal and espouse their
rhett o rick
May 2014
#162
I agree that I need to work on it. I should just ignore the conservatives pretending to be
rhett o rick
May 2014
#164
Well to be fair he was China Eddie first and he was almost Ecuador Eddie but the US forced him...
L0oniX
May 2014
#79
What a childish rational. "Someone called the Pres a POS, so that excuses my similar behavior."
rhett o rick
May 2014
#140
"Evidence collected illegally cannot be used in a court." And our security state
rhett o rick
May 2014
#168
That's rich, given the lies being constantly shit on President Obama here
ConservativeDemocrat
May 2014
#104
Go and ask other leaders of the world if they thought American spying on them was
malaise
May 2014
#31
It is truly naive to think that any nation is not spying on any other nation.
MohRokTah
May 2014
#49
I deeply respect Snowden. He risked his life - for what we believe is "America."
chimpymustgo
May 2014
#56
He re-blew the whistle that had made Congress legalize what the NSA did 8 years earlier
Recursion
May 2014
#58
Doesn't make much difference whether you "like him or not". The American people don't.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#105
So how do you gauge public opinion, oh wise one? Do you "unskew" the polls as well?
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#114
That was back in January. I have not seen a poll since the interview last night.
Jefferson23
May 2014
#118
My guess is that people who already supported him watched the show. Others had better things to do.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#122
Turning Against Truth Tellers is One More Unconscionable Act. Thanks, malaise. nt
tea and oranges
May 2014
#112
Is this thread a joke ? It doesn't matter if DUers "like" him or not !!!!!!
Trust Buster
May 2014
#115