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Capt. Obvious

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30. when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal

Thu May 29, 2014, 09:42 AM

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Whether some DUers like him or not [View all] malaise May 2014 OP

Quite right, that is it, in a nutshell. I am grateful to Mr. Snowden. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #1

du rec. xchrom May 2014 #2

Snowden could be a serial murderer anti partisan May 2014 #3

agree G_j May 2014 #4

Completely ProSense May 2014 #5

Kind of like when Bush/Chaney declared that waterboarding... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #7

You're comparing his lawyers to "Bush/Chaney" (sic)? n/t ProSense May 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #14

Simple isn't it malaise May 2014 #9

And segregation and Jim Crow...... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #13

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #10

Yes, "time and a half" the ProSense May 2014 #17

here you go pro. i almost never come into your threads. but, here is the jury. and seabeyond May 2014 #78

Brava sea! nt sheshe2 May 2014 #148

Wow, that is unusual. Major Hogwash May 2014 #154

Writers often get paid by the word, 5 to 10 cents is common. If I were to be paid to write A Simple Game May 2014 #47

If the government privatizes the NSA or any other agency to contractors and malaise May 2014 #18

Take that up with his lawyers. n/t ProSense May 2014 #20

It is simply not true that NSA's activities are clearly legal. spooky3 May 2014 #42

His lawyers are lying? n/t ProSense May 2014 #43

Did you read my post? spooky3 May 2014 #52

So what? Jack Rabbit May 2014 #64

Did you just compare spying to what African Americans endured prior to the Civil Rights Act? stevenleser May 2014 #92

No Jack Rabbit May 2014 #109

+1 daleanime May 2014 #116

Good work... JackRiddler May 2014 #127

Just curious, do you wish that what was revealed remained a secret? gtar100 May 2014 #65

You mean the program that Thomas Drake revelaed to us in 2005? Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #156

You make this out to be too much about the person. Just a distraction from the real wrong that is gtar100 May 2014 #166

Drake didn't leak state secrets Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #170

Maybe so (on all your assertions) , but Drake didn't have the impact Snowden has. gtar100 May 2014 #171

Thanks, malaise, I feel exactly the same. LuvNewcastle May 2014 #6

K&R. 'Our-side' is no longer actually 'our-side'. Enthusiast May 2014 #11

Sometimes I do wonder malaise May 2014 #16

Ain't that the truth. zeemike May 2014 #19

"Illegal" doesn't have the same meaning for me that it used to. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #12

yep Leme May 2014 #23

perhaps this is an example of the yawning black hole between legal and ethical azurnoir May 2014 #25

I think one of the major problems is that our concept Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #28

The abuse of our legal system is utterly the fault of.... MicaelS May 2014 #121

So we should legislate morality? treestar May 2014 #68

We should legislate the effects of it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #82

+1 hopemountain May 2014 #145

k/r marmar May 2014 #15

K&R. Well said. Overseas May 2014 #21

Which "seriously illegal practices" did he blow the whistle on? ucrdem May 2014 #22

And it was the NSA that 'blew the whistle' on their own illegal activities! randome May 2014 #36

Ah yes, the compliance reports. ucrdem May 2014 #40

Lying to the Supreme Court muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #57

What does this have to do with Snowden? ucrdem May 2014 #59

You could try reading the article muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #71

Link goes to a different article. nt ucrdem May 2014 #72

p.s. what Senator Rand Paul (R, KY) tells CNN's Wolf Blitzer can be safely ignored. nt ucrdem May 2014 #77

Final paragraph of Guardian article does not mention Snowden: ucrdem May 2014 #73

The final paragraph I quoted mentions Snowden muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #80

A 19-word paragraph in the Guardian is not evidence. ucrdem May 2014 #85

You just can't be bothered to read the article, can you? muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #89

It's a nice editorial, thanks for posting nt ucrdem May 2014 #90

sometimes some people want evidence that satisfies them Leme May 2014 #94

It would have to satisfy the Supreme Court in this case. ucrdem May 2014 #97

The Supreme Court? progressoid May 2014 #108

By this case I mean this subthread, starting with reply 57: ucrdem May 2014 #111

Okay I'll answer: nothing and none. nt ucrdem May 2014 #74

Proving yet again that reporters are really lousy with logic. ieoeja May 2014 #117

No, that's saying "people who mention information" are not "contacts overseas" muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #120

Moscow Eddie needs to come home and defend himself Progressive dog May 2014 #24

That name calling..."Moscow Eddie" ....does that belong here? KoKo May 2014 #51

You are too kind. mattclearing May 2014 #75

pretty tame in comparison to "Piece of shite used car salesman" Sheepshank May 2014 #130

That's the rationalization of someone in jr. high. rhett o rick May 2014 #139

why go the route of personally insulting and judging...is that how "mature" people do things? Sheepshank May 2014 #157

The "he did it so I can do it" rational is childish. That's not an insult. rhett o rick May 2014 #160

oh gawd,....you have a handbook on how liberals are supposed to act? Sheepshank May 2014 #161

I dont like it when conservatives pretend to be liberal and espouse their rhett o rick May 2014 #162

then perhpas you should be more liberal yourself and less judgmental Sheepshank May 2014 #163

I agree that I need to work on it. I should just ignore the conservatives pretending to be rhett o rick May 2014 #164

No different than calling the President, "Barry." mattclearing May 2014 #146

ahhh the, "I can fling poo, but you can't because you're better" standard Sheepshank May 2014 #159

You appear to be talking to yourself. mattclearing May 2014 #165

Well to be fair he was China Eddie first and he was almost Ecuador Eddie but the US forced him... L0oniX May 2014 #79

I have seen our President called a POS and worse here so Progressive dog May 2014 #100

What a childish rational. "Someone called the Pres a POS, so that excuses my similar behavior." rhett o rick May 2014 #140

Yes, your rationale is childish Progressive dog May 2014 #167

"Evidence collected illegally cannot be used in a court." And our security state rhett o rick May 2014 #168

I keep seeing these claims and the Progressive dog May 2014 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono May 2014 #149

That's rich, given the lies being constantly shit on President Obama here ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #104

I believe you meant roomtomove May 2014 #53

Then maybe everyone shoukld flee to a country Progressive dog May 2014 #98

We'd be so much better off without whistle blowers. L0oniX May 2014 #76

If you say so, but I'd still Progressive dog May 2014 #93

K&R azurnoir May 2014 #26

He also expose legitimate operations. Adrahil May 2014 #27

Your first sentence is incorrect. MohRokTah May 2014 #29

when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal Capt. Obvious May 2014 #30

Go and ask other leaders of the world if they thought American spying on them was malaise May 2014 #31

It is truly naive to think that any nation is not spying on any other nation. MohRokTah May 2014 #49

So you are now going to take on international law? treestar May 2014 #63

If it's not legal now, wait and it will be roomtomove May 2014 #61

Everything Snowden revealed was legal under the USA PATRIOT Act MohRokTah May 2014 #69

Well, if it was in the Patriot Act, then that's fine. progressoid May 2014 #110

Well said, Malaise. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #32

I feel the same way. Great post Autumn May 2014 #33

I'm not sure how I feel about Edward Snowden gollygee May 2014 #34

Precisely malaise May 2014 #35

We've been discussing it since October 25, 2001, ucrdem May 2014 #37

Allow me to roll my eyes here gollygee May 2014 #41

We weren't aware of the Verizon warrant but we knew warrants were required. ucrdem May 2014 #50

An odious and totally boneheaded comparison Armstead May 2014 #66

Nice title but looks like the dog ate your message. ucrdem May 2014 #70

Here's a bit more for the dog to chew on Armstead May 2014 #87

If you're asking do I think he's a GOP operative, the answer is, probably. ucrdem May 2014 #99

Well. I'll just respectfully disagree Armstead May 2014 #113

It isn't about civil liberties. That's just bait. ucrdem May 2014 #119

I'll agree with you about Benghazi...The rest not so much. Armstead May 2014 #135

Some people have the courage to follow their convictions. raouldukelives May 2014 #38

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ rtracey May 2014 #39

at 8:23 am you were falling asleep in another Snowden thread carolinayellowdog May 2014 #133

why rtracey May 2014 #137

whistleblowers noiretextatique May 2014 #44

We used to be able to rely on the "5th Estate" (aka a free press) Swede Atlanta May 2014 #45

Agree. sinkingfeeling May 2014 #46

Right there with you, malaise Cyrano May 2014 #48

So are we allowed to not like Snowden? mountain grammy May 2014 #54

not a question of like. good for him now come home and face what you did PatrynXX May 2014 #55

I deeply respect Snowden. He risked his life - for what we believe is "America." chimpymustgo May 2014 #56

He re-blew the whistle that had made Congress legalize what the NSA did 8 years earlier Recursion May 2014 #58

K/R Thank you 840high May 2014 #60

Not true treestar May 2014 #62

Then why the discussions about changing the stuff they are doing? nt Logical May 2014 #101

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise May 2014 #102

k & r...n/t NRaleighLiberal May 2014 #67

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #81

Edward Snowden is a hero. I know the fascists hate santamargarita May 2014 #83

I don't know him, so I can't say if I like him or not. Avalux May 2014 #84

" blew the whistle on some seriously illegal practices" seriously Cryptoad May 2014 #86

May he inspire many more to do the same. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #88

He told us nothing new LuckyTheDog May 2014 #91

Nearly all smallcat88 May 2014 #95

Like Daniel Ellsberg Art_from_Ark May 2014 #152

My thoughts exactly. joanbarnes May 2014 #96

K and R bigwillq May 2014 #103

Doesn't make much difference whether you "like him or not". The American people don't. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #105

Those polls told Rmoney he was on his way to the WH n/t malaise May 2014 #107

So how do you gauge public opinion, oh wise one? Do you "unskew" the polls as well? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #114

Uhh no they didn't rep the dems May 2014 #131

This malaise May 2014 #134

First off, Nate Silver doesn't do polling. rep the dems May 2014 #136

That was back in January. I have not seen a poll since the interview last night. Jefferson23 May 2014 #118

My guess is that people who already supported him watched the show. Others had better things to do. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #122

We'll see...time will tell. Jefferson23 May 2014 #124

It will indeed. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #132

While I have a very low opinion of Snowden... NCTraveler May 2014 #106

Turning Against Truth Tellers is One More Unconscionable Act. Thanks, malaise. nt tea and oranges May 2014 #112

Is this thread a joke ? It doesn't matter if DUers "like" him or not !!!!!! Trust Buster May 2014 #115

Yep. blackspade May 2014 #123

The Pulitzer Prize was well deserved... bvar22 May 2014 #125

Well said malaise May 2014 #129

Thank you Mr. Snowden montanacowboy May 2014 #126

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2014 #128

If Mitt Romney were POTUS obxhead May 2014 #138

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #141

+11111111 Tommymac May 2014 #142

The White House is not happy. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #143

I feel the same, malaise. pacalo May 2014 #144

knr thanks n/t slipslidingaway May 2014 #147

Fucking amazing cui bono May 2014 #150

I agree with you and the funny thing is that until I saw the arthritisR_US May 2014 #151

Hahaha!!! Major Hogwash May 2014 #153

Yes! Captain Obvious (Snowden) confirmed what we already knew.... Strat54 May 2014 #155

I wish I could say you were wrong Savannahmann May 2014 #158